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To give a 20 year old a weeknight curfew?

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IndigoHexagon · 26/09/2024 01:03

Background: my DS (about to turn 20 year old) has been driving for almost a year. He had a diagnosis of adhd and autism at 18. His was delayed socially in some respects but is catching up.

We live in a very rural part of north wales very close to Snowdonia).

Not his problem, and something I have tried very hard not to let affect him, but I struggle with intrusive thoughts and anxiety around his safety (I’m working on this and am heaps better). We have some terrible roads around here so night driving in particular can be a trigger for me. I don’t settle to sleep properly until I know he’s home. This isn’t too much of an issue at weekends or during school holidays but when we all need to be up for 7am, this adds to my anxiety.

he’s recently made a new friend who doesn’t drive and lives 20 miles away(a 40 minute drive on our roads). He shares my car and is spending more and more time driving her back and forth our nearest big town (so a round trip from ours to hers and to the town is 2.5hr driving).

Tonight, he has picked her up and they are now about 25 miles to the other side of the town - deep in Snowdonia. If he turns around now and took her straight home and the came home he wouldn’t get in until 230-3am.

I’m so cross with him. I have a really important meeting in the morning and a long day. He is aware that I don’t really settle until he’s home, although not aware that I barely sleep at all (like I said , my anxiety isn’t his problem).

My DH thinks we should set a midnight curfew for week nights - despite him being an adult. He’s still in full time college (uni deferred until next year) and works weekends, we fully support him and he doesn’t pay keep (my choice, while he’s in full time education).

Would I be unreasonable to set him a curfew given it’s my car, and my sleep that’s being disrupted?

OP posts:
SienaInItaly · 27/09/2024 09:06

Sowingbees · 27/09/2024 08:56

He is in full time college, how are you expecting him to pay for it?

Well, his parents could help? I don't understand the mentality of promoting individual freedom without individual responsibility. As a family, surely they can make this work. How can he be up and about driving on dark country lanes until 3am and then go to college the next day, every day, every week? Not sure the young many will do that well a college at this rate. Alternatively, if he loves driving and prioritises it above all else, perhaps he should skip college and uni and become a taxi, bus or lorry driver? He could the move out too.

Sowingbees · 27/09/2024 08:56

SienaInItaly · 27/09/2024 08:54

Is there not? Anywhere? How about a flatshare?

He is in full time college, how are you expecting him to pay for it?

SienaInItaly · 27/09/2024 08:54

Sowingbees · 26/09/2024 21:35

But this isn't realistic is it? There is no affordable housing.

Op I thought your update was honest and a realistic description of living with children that are now adults. I think you are doing great.

Is there not? Anywhere? How about a flatshare?

Mikunia · 27/09/2024 08:31

So, he isn't disturbing the house when he's comes in, he's careful about his driving, he contributes to fuel, and he does family errands in return for access to the car.

OP your anxiety is totally your issue. You need beta blockers and therapy to get on top of it.

It's completely unreasonable to give him a curfew! He's an adult who is not disturbing anyone when he comes in.

I say this as an autistic adult who gets anxiety so I see both sides.

I notice you're only really resounding to the people validating you, but please consider other viewpoints.

Owly11 · 27/09/2024 08:15

@CrazyGoatLady I suppose I am a big believer in listening to anxiety. What op's son is doing is risky, not good for his own work and health and he is potentially being taken advantage of by this girl. It's absolutely normal and understandable to be very anxious in this situation. In addition the son is disturbing the household. If my partner was doing this I would definitely be talking about it with them. Not to try and control it but to try and air my feelings and thoughts and to talk it through. In my own experience if you try to suppress/hide/not listen to any feeling, including anxiety, it wreaks more havoc on yourself and others than if you just express it and talk it through. Maybe the son is anxious too but he's learnt from Op to not listen to it and ignore it.

Sowingbees · 26/09/2024 21:35

YessandNno · 26/09/2024 19:36

The best thing for both of you would be for him to move out of your home and into one of his own, or one he would share with others. Then if he goes out late at night, you'll be none the wiser.

But this isn't realistic is it? There is no affordable housing.

Op I thought your update was honest and a realistic description of living with children that are now adults. I think you are doing great.

YessandNno · 26/09/2024 19:36

The best thing for both of you would be for him to move out of your home and into one of his own, or one he would share with others. Then if he goes out late at night, you'll be none the wiser.

Delatron · 26/09/2024 19:32

And I agree about the tracking apps- mine always had my son in the river or in the middle of a main road. I was convinced they’d drowned or were run over. I don’t use them now! They are not accurate!

Snugglemonkey · 26/09/2024 19:31

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 26/09/2024 01:14

Him coming in at 3am waking the household when they have to be up at 7am is just disrespectful no matter how old he is.

It's your car, if he can't be respectful and be home for midnight then he can get his own car and own place to live. 20 year olds aren't children, if they can't respect their parents in the houses they live in for free and want to be independent adults then go do that.

Girlfriend needs to get herself home too.

He is not waking the house. Op's anxiety is keeping her awake.

Delatron · 26/09/2024 19:30

Ah OP. I understand and I’m not looking forward to this phase.

It’s not ideal him driving home at 3am in bad weather conditions on those roads. Is there no way he could just kip over on the sofa?! I get they are not a couple but it would be easier all round. Then up and out when it’s light at 7am?

Other than that, an adult to adult chat about how it’s disturbing your sleep may be the only way forward. He doesn’t really need to be there that late so could head home earlier. Or stay over. Those would be my suggestions.

CrazyGoatLady · 26/09/2024 19:24

Owly11 · 26/09/2024 09:39

I think it's interesting that people say op's anxiety is not her son's issue. When people live together they impact each other and it's good to be open about everyone's feelings and discuss ways to navigate the situation so that everyone is taken into account. The idea of one person in a relationship (any kind of relationship) having to completely hide their feelings so that the other person can do whatever they want with no thought or idea of their impact on others is not helpful or healthy. No wonder op's anxiety is so high if it can't be expressed and acknowledged. Also it's good for young people to learn how they impact others and take that into account. I don't think the curfew is a good idea because that's just the opposite of not saying anything - a prioritisation of one person's needs over the other - nor is it a good idea to just ban use of the car because again it is just an exertion of authority. I think an open and honest conversation is needed and see what emerges and whether some solutions can be reached that everyone is happy with.

It's not unexpressed. OP said her son knows she is worried. But she is trying not to project it on to him. Which is the right thing to do.

The problem when you as an adult give into another adult's anxiety by not doing something you want to do (that is reasonable, age appropriate and legal of course) is that you then do become responsible for their feelings and it becomes up to you to regulate them by not doing things that provoke their anxiety, instead of it being their responsibility to regulate themselves. Which when you are an adult, it is.

It sounds like there wouldn't actually be much OP's son could do that would alleviate his mum's excessive anxiety about his safety, other than never go out in the car, which she knows isn't reasonable or fair. So there isn't actually much solving this aspect of it by talking.

IndigoHexagon · 26/09/2024 19:20

I’ve just spent some time reading through all your replies and I want to say thank you to each of you, especially those of you who offered helpful and constructive advice, and shared your own view points.

To answer a few questions -

yes, I do think he’s being taken advantage of. He met this girl via a friend around the beginning of the year and it transpired that they were going the same college course this year. She had a failing out with the mutal friend and my ds didn’t hear from her then until the end of the summer when she got in contact about their course. The buses around here are awful and I doubt they would spend any time together socially if neither of them drove. She does offer him petrol money but I’m not convinced she ever hands it over. Before anyone tells me awful for thinking this - I say none of this to him - I encourage him to have friendships even if they are not the ones I’d choose for him!

He does contribute to fuel, probably not as much as he uses. He does run errands for me in the car (picking up younger brother) which is kind of in return for borrowing tte car. this isn’t every night bye, maybe once a week on weeknights and once a weekend night - he is normally really sensible about recognising when he needs to get enough sleep - weeknight occurrences have only been an issue since this new friendship.

To make it clear - he has NO idea about how anxious I get when he’s out and about or that I don’t settle (insomnia for years - not due to this but peri-menopause and other life stuff, this has just caused it to flair!) and I won’t tell him because I will not allow it to impact how he lives his life. We have a good relationship - and to reassure a previous poster - I am definitely not smothering. I’m no helicopter parent, I don’t fuss - to him - about where he is or what he’s doing. Believe me, if I was suffocating he’d know exactly how I really felt about his coastal paddle boarding, his ‘tombstoning’, his climbing and all the other activities that my overactive imagination does it’s best to convince me are super dangerous and will kill him. I have never, and will never, prevent him from living his life and having fun just because his activities cause me anxiety.

last night I was anxious, the weather was awful, and I didn’t know until then where he was. For those of you who suggested an app like find my iPhone - he actually suggested this a while ago just so we all know where each other are - it’s a mixed blessing. For anyone that knows the area will tell you, the mobile signals here are really patchy! So seeing his little icon not moving half way up a country road on a mountain side really doesn’t help - so I don’t use it (his dad will check now and again, but if I had it, I think I’d be too intrusive and I respect his privacy too much to risk overstepping).

As a pp mentioned, it’s not to long since a group of young lads lost their lives to a tragic accident driving in Snowdonia at night - the weather and road conditions weren’t particularly bad, it was just an awful awful accident. It took song long to find them because they couldn’t get a lock on the phone signals.

I do appreciate the advice of those who suggested approaching this from the perspective of how disruptive it can be to others - I’m going to have a chat - adult to adult - with him about this when the opportunity arises (he is actual quite quiet when he comes in and we have a ‘cough’ signal! lol) but he does wake his brother on occasion when he uses the bathroom. Everything seems so much louder in a silent house, doesn’t it?

im going to look into some of the suggested techniques and counselling that some posters have mentioned, thank you.

Finally, he got home about 3:15am last night, and on getting up this morning he offered the information that it took so long because he kept pulling over whenever the rain got so heavy that he felt his visibility was being affected. So he is a sensible lad, and I do trust him, I just need to convince those anxiety demons of that!

thanks all xx

OP posts:
SienaInItaly · 26/09/2024 13:30

Whateveryouwant1 · 26/09/2024 12:53

I haven't rtht but I would put a curfew on your car rather than your son. So it's the car that has to be back at midnight. It allows him to be out late if he gets another form of transport or buys his own car (he pays for insurance/tax/service/mot/fuel) but if he wants to continue using your car then it's back by midnight.

This is a sensible approach. Also talk to him about carbon footprint. It sounds wasteful to be driving around for miles and miles, hours and hours. Here is a calculator you can use. https://calculator.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.aspx?tab=4 Are his friends welcome to come to yours? Or is he always doing the driving?

TeaBoxFlower · 26/09/2024 13:26

The 'he's an adult, so you can't give him a curfew' argument is very black and white and doesn't really capture what it's like to live with your child who is now 18+.

Yes he's a legal adult, but he's not a fully realised independent adult yet. You support him financially and take on at least some of the responsibilities an adult would have - you get him out of bed when he's had a late night. I'm sure there'll be other examples of what you do for him too. There's nothing wrong with it, you're his mum, but it's wrong to say that he is 'adulting' at the same level as someone living
away from their parents.

And of course you worry about him, that's totally understandable, you'd worry even if you didn't have anxiety or even if the roads were better. Equally imagine if he wasn't living with you. You wouldn't know what time he came home, or if he was out or not. He'd fill you in on his life when you spoke on the phone every week or whatever. It would be easier not to worry about him.

You need to find that inbetween space for now where you both accept that you're in a transition. Have a chat and explain your feelings. And they are normal feelings than non-anxious people have too (yours might be stronger and more overwhelming for you, but the basic feeling is true for every single mother and you're allowed to have them and allowed to tell him without needing to share the full extent of your anxiety and 'making it his problem'.)

You can let him know that mums worry about their kids, and that's a normal thing they'll do untill the day they die, but that you also understand his need for freedom and then find a way forward together.

BrutusMcDogface · 26/09/2024 12:57

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 26/09/2024 01:14

Him coming in at 3am waking the household when they have to be up at 7am is just disrespectful no matter how old he is.

It's your car, if he can't be respectful and be home for midnight then he can get his own car and own place to live. 20 year olds aren't children, if they can't respect their parents in the houses they live in for free and want to be independent adults then go do that.

Girlfriend needs to get herself home too.

This is a good response, I think. It’s a difficult one, but he does need to show more respect than he is.

poppyzbrite4 · 26/09/2024 12:56

pickedplock · 26/09/2024 12:34

What compromise? He's not doing anything wrong. He's borrowing his mum's car with her permission and getting home late.

No one has said he's doing anything "wrong" why are you talking like a 5 year old? Lots of annoying habits aren't wrong or inherently bad, they won't be annoying to some people, but when you are an adult living with other adults you find a way to cohesively live together. If the OP is stressed about the late nights and driving she could just ban him from her car, she isn't doing that, instead they could agree to minimise the distress to the mum, but enable him still to benefit from her favour (it's a favour after all) that they perhaps agree he'll be back by midnight. It's just what adults do? If you love and care for someone you discuss it, you work out a way through it together, there is no need to be petulant about it.

Aren't you a delight.

MattBerningerstrophywife · 26/09/2024 12:53

Adult to adult chat.
explain to him that your issues and try to come up with an agreement together

Whateveryouwant1 · 26/09/2024 12:53

I haven't rtht but I would put a curfew on your car rather than your son. So it's the car that has to be back at midnight. It allows him to be out late if he gets another form of transport or buys his own car (he pays for insurance/tax/service/mot/fuel) but if he wants to continue using your car then it's back by midnight.

UnbeatenMum · 26/09/2024 12:51

It sounds like he's racking up a lot of milage and you're covering the cost. Is the friend taking advantage do you think?

NPET · 26/09/2024 12:42

If he's living at home and using your car I think you're within your rights. I'm 20, but I don't live at home and I have my own car(s) so obviously my parents couldn't enforce a curfew.

pickedplock · 26/09/2024 12:34

What compromise? He's not doing anything wrong. He's borrowing his mum's car with her permission and getting home late.

No one has said he's doing anything "wrong" why are you talking like a 5 year old? Lots of annoying habits aren't wrong or inherently bad, they won't be annoying to some people, but when you are an adult living with other adults you find a way to cohesively live together. If the OP is stressed about the late nights and driving she could just ban him from her car, she isn't doing that, instead they could agree to minimise the distress to the mum, but enable him still to benefit from her favour (it's a favour after all) that they perhaps agree he'll be back by midnight. It's just what adults do? If you love and care for someone you discuss it, you work out a way through it together, there is no need to be petulant about it.

Pumpkinsoup24 · 26/09/2024 12:23

He's an adult, so no. Uou shouldn't be making a curfew for him just so you feel better.
Hopefully he will have sense and mive out because you sound very suffocating.

beartie · 26/09/2024 12:02

Sorry but no. Hes a grown adult and it's not his problem that you have anxiety.

poppyzbrite4 · 26/09/2024 11:59

pickedplock · 26/09/2024 11:58

No he doesn't,as he's an adult. He doesn't have to take instructions from his parents but yes he can of course move out

He's an adult so he can move out and buy his own car then? I assume he is relatively comfortable having other people provide his accommodation and transportation so one would hope as a grown adult he will also have the maturity to discuss the matter with his mum to come to some kind of compromise. You know, like adults do.

What compromise? He's not doing anything wrong. He's borrowing his mum's car with her permission and getting home late.

pickedplock · 26/09/2024 11:58

No he doesn't,as he's an adult. He doesn't have to take instructions from his parents but yes he can of course move out

He's an adult so he can move out and buy his own car then? I assume he is relatively comfortable having other people provide his accommodation and transportation so one would hope as a grown adult he will also have the maturity to discuss the matter with his mum to come to some kind of compromise. You know, like adults do.