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Nick Robinson on the Today programme said that people affected by withdrawing the Winter Fuel Allowance were "the wartime generation". AIBU to think he's wrong?

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HauntedBungalow · 25/09/2024 21:53

Also, I am genuinely bored of this British obsession with referencing World War II when talking about unrelated random subjects.

World War II ended 80 years ago. The "wartime generation" don't need a Winter Fuel Allowance because they're all already dead, barring the odd 97 year old who is still living at home and paying all bills themselves.

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PickAChew · 25/09/2024 23:27

HoppityBun · 25/09/2024 22:11

I’ve read this sort of thing so many times but Nick Robinson is old enough to know better, just about. He will be 61 on 5 October. The arithmetic is strange. It’s a sort of archetype, perhaps? If you’re over 65 then definitely you lived through WW2 whether you were actually alive then or not 🤷‍♀️

Eh? How can you live through something that happened 10 years before you were born?

GenerousGardener · 25/09/2024 23:23

My Mum was born in 1936, she very much remembers the war, and will just miss out on her WFA. I can’t believe the Labour Party chose to pick on this most vulnerable group of people.

Meadowfinch · 25/09/2024 23:23

Inslopia · 25/09/2024 23:18

Why don’t younger people in poverty get WFP?

Younger people can take on more employment, work extra hours. Younger people are generally more physically fit.When a skint 20yo student, I worked in a pub in the evenings which kept me warm and gave me a cash boost.

Many old people are frail, need more warmth to survive, cannot work.

Evilartsgrad · 25/09/2024 23:22

HoppityBun · 25/09/2024 22:30

The strange thing is that technically you could have a parent born in 1946 and their child born in 1964 and they’d both be boomers.

Only by those stupid enough to be determined to categorise ( in order to bash) people by age.
There are well off and very poor people in every age band. But I am utterly sick of " my inlaws have money therefore all older people do". NOT TRUE

florasl · 25/09/2024 23:20

HauntedBungalow · 25/09/2024 23:13

It's all a bit bloody tenuous though isn't it. Most working class people in the 30s/40s had awful living conditions, dangerous working conditions. Sure you were more likely to be killed in a steelworks making armaments, as a working 14 yo school leaver, than you were to be killed by a bomb, in the UK. It's not like the continent where entire areas got razed and cities starved and invaded, and actually as a regular citizen then as now your biggest enemy was the industry owners and land owners and there wasn't anything heroic about any of it.

But ofc it's probably better for the folks who have all the money now, to keep on churning out this bullshit about how the greatest threat was from Abroad.

This is genuinely one of the most embarrassing threads I’ve ever seen on mumsnet, I can’t decided whether I think this is a joke! Around 50,000 people died in around a year during the Blitz in the UK. Some of my family members were killed during it. Two million homes were bombed being damaged or destroyed. You desperately need a history lesson, this is primary school level stuff…

Inslopia · 25/09/2024 23:19

Yet again I am horrified by this the sweeping assumptions about baby boomers. There not an homogeneous group. For every boomer that grew up in the land of milk of honey there are plenty others that have lived in poverty all their lives

I don’t think people think this, obviously if you are discussing statistics there will always be outliers but I’m not sure what else we can use apart from statistics?

JudyJulie · 25/09/2024 23:19

Born 1955. Don't consider myself to be the wartime generation. That was my parents born 1917 and 1820, married 1940.

Inslopia · 25/09/2024 23:18

Why don’t younger people in poverty get WFP?

LondonLass61 · 25/09/2024 23:15

HauntedBungalow · 25/09/2024 22:53

They did their National Service during the 50s in conflicts too.

Which conflicts are those then? There wasn't conscription in the 1950s. Who were they fighting? Just people they encountered randomly?

In the 1950's, British soldiers were involved in the Korean War, Mau Mau uprising in Kenya, Anglo Egyptian war, Cyprus emergency among others.
As an aside, I be only found out recently that Harold Wilson repeatedly refused to send British soldiers to Vietnam in the 70's.

Dearover · 25/09/2024 23:15

HauntedBungalow · 25/09/2024 23:03

Oh ok. Well there are still countries now with conscripts that fight, Israel and so on. But in the UK conscription to active service ended with WWII, and national service after that was mostly a bit of a jolly or, in times of low employment, a way of keeping lads off the street.

I suggest you educate yourself.

www.nam.ac.uk/explore/what-was-national-service

Meadowfinch · 25/09/2024 23:15

ForPearlViper · 25/09/2024 23:07

Yet again I am horrified by this the sweeping assumptions about baby boomers. There not an homogeneous group. For every boomer that grew up in the land of milk of honey there are plenty others that have lived in poverty all their lives. There are plenty others whose entire heritage, living and community was swept away in the Thatcher years. You parents and their circle do not represent all boomers, just a few lucky ones.

As we're on R4 with one, they were also reporting that there Millennials are the generation that will benefit from the biggest transfer of generational wealth in history. Does that mean all Millennials. No, and it just as stupid to generalise with boomers.

The way world's going, we may have another wartime generation. Let's see how dismissive we are then.

This, with bells on.

OP, your parents may clear £7k a month but most 'boomers' do not. Employer pensions only became compulsory in 2018. For every wealthy boomer, there are several who have nothing but the state pension of £220 a week. And no they can't claim pension credit, and yea, they may well freeze this winter. Let's pray the weather is kind to them because they certainly can't look to this dreadful govt for support.

Evilartsgrad · 25/09/2024 23:15

OhmygodDont · 25/09/2024 22:10

My father in law uses his for an air bnb in Spain every year since he retired to add to his extra few holidays. His certainly not some poor post war gentleman 😅

So? Your example proves precisely nothing about any generation. It's one person.

Underlig · 25/09/2024 23:13

Both my parents were children in the war, evacuated. Both have lots of tales to tell of what it was like. Both still living in their own home.

Katielovesteatime · 25/09/2024 23:13

HauntedBungalow · 25/09/2024 23:13

It's all a bit bloody tenuous though isn't it. Most working class people in the 30s/40s had awful living conditions, dangerous working conditions. Sure you were more likely to be killed in a steelworks making armaments, as a working 14 yo school leaver, than you were to be killed by a bomb, in the UK. It's not like the continent where entire areas got razed and cities starved and invaded, and actually as a regular citizen then as now your biggest enemy was the industry owners and land owners and there wasn't anything heroic about any of it.

But ofc it's probably better for the folks who have all the money now, to keep on churning out this bullshit about how the greatest threat was from Abroad.

👏 👏 👏 Totally agree OP!

HauntedBungalow · 25/09/2024 23:13

Meadowfinch · 25/09/2024 23:03

OP, there were plenty of women and children who weren't fighting but they had to cope with being bombed out of their homes. Or whose dads didn't come back so they grew up in poverty with widowed mums. There was no UC.

And plenty of children who dads came back so damaged, mentally and physically, that life afterwards was very difficult.

Meat rationing did not end until 1954. You couldn't go and buy what you wanted, even if you had money.

I imagine this is who is referred to as the wartime generation.

It's all a bit bloody tenuous though isn't it. Most working class people in the 30s/40s had awful living conditions, dangerous working conditions. Sure you were more likely to be killed in a steelworks making armaments, as a working 14 yo school leaver, than you were to be killed by a bomb, in the UK. It's not like the continent where entire areas got razed and cities starved and invaded, and actually as a regular citizen then as now your biggest enemy was the industry owners and land owners and there wasn't anything heroic about any of it.

But ofc it's probably better for the folks who have all the money now, to keep on churning out this bullshit about how the greatest threat was from Abroad.

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Katielovesteatime · 25/09/2024 23:11

Gosh, how ridiculous. Being old enough to vaguely remember a war that you didn’t fight in is meaningless. I remember a number of wars that I didn’t fight in. What does that mean for me? What do I get?

MotherJessAndKittens · 25/09/2024 23:09

My gran was 10 the day the 2nd WW ended she lost all her brothers. She was evacuated twice and remembers bombers flying overhead to bomb the Clyde. Her sister was in the women’s brigade who worked in the farms. No they are absolutely not all dead! In their 80s and 90s and sitting in cold houses warming 1 room and eating ready meals and toast as they can’t get out to shops and practically no care apart from family popping in. What a silly comment. In another 10/15 years they might be but then who knows we might all be!
and yes it was a silly thing to say though I never heard him but I can vouch for many pensioners I look after in 70s and 80s unable to heat more than 1 room and living on meagre meals. Perhaps it should be means tested or something.

suki1964 · 25/09/2024 23:09

My mum was born in 1938, she brings in £600 a week in pensions alone, not counting her stocks and shares, her savings and her premium bond winnings ( at least £100 a month there ) . Shes been donating her WFA to the RNLI ever since she received it

JenniferBooth · 25/09/2024 23:08

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/09/2024 23:06

Yes. I had a Great Uncle who was present for the CI tests during his NS. He died in the 70's due to multiple cancers, no doubt due to his NS "jolly".

Im sorry to hear that @XDownwiththissortofthingX There was a programme on Channel 5 recently Britains Atomic Bomb Scandal

Chickadoo · 25/09/2024 23:07

My gran was wartime, she remembers having to go into the air raid shelters and is now paying all her own bills/ lives at home still.

Also my mum, born just a few years after the war.

So yes, definitely wartime generation.

ForPearlViper · 25/09/2024 23:07

Yet again I am horrified by this the sweeping assumptions about baby boomers. There not an homogeneous group. For every boomer that grew up in the land of milk of honey there are plenty others that have lived in poverty all their lives. There are plenty others whose entire heritage, living and community was swept away in the Thatcher years. You parents and their circle do not represent all boomers, just a few lucky ones.

As we're on R4 with one, they were also reporting that there Millennials are the generation that will benefit from the biggest transfer of generational wealth in history. Does that mean all Millennials. No, and it just as stupid to generalise with boomers.

The way world's going, we may have another wartime generation. Let's see how dismissive we are then.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/09/2024 23:06

JenniferBooth · 25/09/2024 23:04

Some of the servicemen on Christmas Island when the atomic bomb was being tested were on National Service. Are you one of those MNers who had a uni education. Wasted if you did.

Yes. I had a Great Uncle who was present for the CI tests during his NS. He died in the 70's due to multiple cancers, no doubt due to his NS "jolly".

mewkins · 25/09/2024 23:05

HauntedBungalow · 25/09/2024 22:35

Plus my wider point is, can we not discuss anything in this country without referencing a war that ended 80 years ago?

Whether pensioners should or should not get extra cash towards their bills is entirely unrelated to world war II.

Huh? It's just used as a description of a group of people, like saying 'Gen Z' or whatever. The wartime generation id take to mean as born during the war rather than having fought in the war.

I think over 70s or over 75s should get it by the way. I'm a labour voter but of all the things to tackle first, taking money from pensioners shouldn't have been the priority.

florasl · 25/09/2024 23:04

@HauntedBungalow all men had to do their national service, the majority in the armed forces.

There was Korea, Cyprus, Malaya and Kenya amongst others. Why do you think men doing their National Service weren’t fighting in Korea ?

JenniferBooth · 25/09/2024 23:04

HauntedBungalow · 25/09/2024 22:53

They did their National Service during the 50s in conflicts too.

Which conflicts are those then? There wasn't conscription in the 1950s. Who were they fighting? Just people they encountered randomly?

Some of the servicemen on Christmas Island when the atomic bomb was being tested were on National Service. Are you one of those MNers who had a uni education. Wasted if you did.

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