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Nick Robinson on the Today programme said that people affected by withdrawing the Winter Fuel Allowance were "the wartime generation". AIBU to think he's wrong?

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HauntedBungalow · 25/09/2024 21:53

Also, I am genuinely bored of this British obsession with referencing World War II when talking about unrelated random subjects.

World War II ended 80 years ago. The "wartime generation" don't need a Winter Fuel Allowance because they're all already dead, barring the odd 97 year old who is still living at home and paying all bills themselves.

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AgileGreenSeal · 25/09/2024 22:35

BogRollBOGOF · 25/09/2024 22:33

DM in her 80s remembers being bombed out and shunted around the country. She doesn't remember what her father was like before the war when she was a very young infant, just the broken man who returned and the traumatic aftermath of that. She never met her uncle who was worked and starved to death in Burma. She was in her teens before rationing was fully lifted.

Older pensoners definitely experienced the toll of WW2 and often many traumas from that era and the slow recovery through the 1940s-50s.

According to OP none of that matters. It only counts if she was flying bombers over France 🙄

HauntedBungalow · 25/09/2024 22:35

Plus my wider point is, can we not discuss anything in this country without referencing a war that ended 80 years ago?

Whether pensioners should or should not get extra cash towards their bills is entirely unrelated to world war II.

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randomchap · 25/09/2024 22:35

bookwormcrazy · 25/09/2024 22:12

My grandad is 92 and still lives on his own in a park home with storage heaters which are the worst. He is definitely panicking about loosing the allowance. And yes, he remembers that later stage of WW2.

If he's really worried then he should look into what benefits are available to him

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/benefits-calculator/

Is a great tool that can help.

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BogRollBOGOF · 25/09/2024 22:33

DM in her 80s remembers being bombed out and shunted around the country. She doesn't remember what her father was like before the war when she was a very young infant, just the broken man who returned and the traumatic aftermath of that. She never met her uncle who was worked and starved to death in Burma. She was in her teens before rationing was fully lifted.

Older pensoners definitely experienced the toll of WW2 and often many traumas from that era and the slow recovery through the 1940s-50s.

HauntedBungalow · 25/09/2024 22:33

Dunno. Was she flying missions over France?

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AgileGreenSeal · 25/09/2024 22:31

My mum was a child during WW2 and has vivid memories of it. She’s 87. Does she not count as the “wartime generation”?

HoppityBun · 25/09/2024 22:30

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 25/09/2024 22:25

My parents were born 12 years after the war. At 67 they're both boomers.

The strange thing is that technically you could have a parent born in 1946 and their child born in 1964 and they’d both be boomers.

GreenShady · 25/09/2024 22:26

I think better to give to some who don't need it than risk some not getting it who do need it and might be suffering in a cold house all winter.

I know many don't need it. But I worry that there are many more who fall between the cracks.

HauntedBungalow · 25/09/2024 22:25

Evilartsgrad · 25/09/2024 22:02

Perhaps he meant born during/ just before the War? Many of those are still alive and well, and some will be disadvantaged.

I don't think many of those would consider themselves as having experienced war though, certainly not in the UK where there was no invasion/firestorm/atom bomb etc. My dear old Pa is age 91 and he certainly wasn't piloting war planes or landing on the beaches of Normandy during the war. I have asked him about what life was like in the war and he says he barely noticed it. Because he was a child!

He had a tough childhood but that was down to horrendous living/working conditions for the precariat labouring class.

He did national service when he was a bit older but from what I can gather that mostly consisted of getting hammered in country pubs and was a bit of a fun break from his job on the railway.

Anyway none of his lot were shoving it to bally Fritz or whatever.

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KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 25/09/2024 22:25

My parents were born 12 years after the war. At 67 they're both boomers.

crumblingschools · 25/09/2024 22:25

My DM was a child in the war. She remembers sitting under the table with her mum when the air raid siren sounded. She was entitled to the higher rate WFA. She certainly isn’t wealthy and just misses out on pension credit.

Meadowfinch · 25/09/2024 22:23

Gosh, what a luxury for you to be 'bored with it' !

There are plenty of people still around who were born 1939-1952 so understand the hardship and deprivations of war, and can remember rationing. That didn't end until 1954.

Few people had decent heating. Houses were poorly insulated. That age group understand the impact of cold. It seems you do not.

You are embarrassing in your ignorance.

AmeliaEarache · 25/09/2024 22:23

He’s talking out of his very Tory arse. People in their early eighties were toddlers at best during the war.

My Dad (81) doesn’t need the WFA and donated to Shelter every year because he thought it was immoral that he was given it.

Phase2 · 25/09/2024 22:23

I think my mum qualifies - born during the war, lost several uncles to it, and a father quite traumatised by what he'd seen. Impacted by the war definitely.
I will never agree with the removal of a universal WFA, just as I thought the Tories were fuckers for removing universal child benefit. It seems reactionary and cruel. I'm sick of hearing all the 'oh my rich parents don't need it - should have set up a dedicated 'return your WFA charity' instead for all those people willing to hand it back.

Dearover · 25/09/2024 22:22

Mum remembers her Mickey Mouse gas mask and how scary it was to practice putting it on.

Dad remembers meeting his Dad for the first time when he was 4 years old. His Dad came back from RAF service in Malaysia clutching a mechanno set and a toy train.

My parents are aptly described as the wartime generation. Like many pensioners, they don't need the WFA. They might grumble, but they know their 2 disabled grandchildren have more need for decent health & social care than they have for the WFA.

OrwellianTimes · 25/09/2024 22:22

JoanOgden · 25/09/2024 22:10

Yes, how ridiculous. The vast majority of pensioners in this country won't remember WW2, because they were young children or (in most cases) not born yet. Only a tiny number of 95+ year olds will have served or worked during the war.

My Gran is 86 and was a child during the war and remembers it well.

However statistically most pensioners currently alive were born after the war

Flittingaboutagain · 25/09/2024 22:19

That's just not true. They're not all dead at all! Many people who were children in WW2 are still very much live including my grandparents. They lost their fathers, older brothers and uncles, often in families where grandfathers had already been killed in WW1. They lived very hard lives and then went onto have children themselves in the 50s with so much undiagnosed trauma.

I wish the WFA for older people was going to be distributed based on council tax banding. It seems much less likely to leave vulnerable older people in fuel poverty.

Chipsintheair · 25/09/2024 22:18

I have family badly affected by it, really struggling and I'm worried for their health and survival, but they were born in the late 40s, i.e. boomers.

OrwellianTimes · 25/09/2024 22:16

”Most” pensioners now are not wartime generation (ie those who lived through the war). It’s got to be a higher percentage of boomers than silent generation now surely.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/09/2024 22:15

GreenShady · 25/09/2024 22:08

If you were born in 1940 you'd be 84 now. I'd call that the war time generation!
They may not have fought but they lived through a period of hardship and deprivation for sure. Years of rationing.

Both of my parents were born when rationing was still around. Both also profited heavily from the advent of Thatcherism and were one of the first generations of working class people to find themselves with significant disposable income. Neither of them ever voted Tory in their lives, but they certainly didn't suffer for being born immediately after the war. They're typical "boomers", are absolutely minted and have attained a level of affluence that similar people in their 20's and 30's today will never see outside of inheritance/a lottery win.

There is absolutely no reason to hand pensioners like my parents WFA, even though the fit the demographic of what some in here are claiming to be the "wartime" generation.

Courgettey · 25/09/2024 22:14

I heard him say that and I thought the same. It's more the baby boomer generation surely.

Putting · 25/09/2024 22:14

JoanOgden · 25/09/2024 22:10

Yes, how ridiculous. The vast majority of pensioners in this country won't remember WW2, because they were young children or (in most cases) not born yet. Only a tiny number of 95+ year olds will have served or worked during the war.

That is true, but you could say the same thing about anyone under 20 today and Covid, and I don’t think many people would argue that even quite young children weren’t affected by that - there are still a lot of people who will remember something about WW2.

JoanOgden · 25/09/2024 22:14

My father remembers his first banana aged 10 or so in the early 50s, but I don't think that particularly qualifies him to get the WFA 70 years later.

(Though I can see the argument for giving the WFA to pensioners who get Attendance Allowance or other disability benefits, as they're more likely to be immobile and suffer from the cold. Someone should suggest this if they haven't already.)

Domainedor · 25/09/2024 22:13

I've been visiting mine this week (born in the 50s, so not wartime). They've both brought it up, angry at Starmer.

Yes, it is cold in the house, but you leave the back door and front window open for 18 hours per day so that the fucking cats can come and go as they please, and you just spent £60k on a new car.

Teenagerantruns · 25/09/2024 22:13

My dad was born during the war, he definitely does not need the winter fuel allowence.
I think people see pensioners as little old people with no money shivering around thier gas fire. They forget about people like my wife who is 70 now , still working 25 hours a week in a physical job..
We never needed her fuel allowance but had some nice city breaks with it.