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Bisexual Awareness Month

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InPulaCuSatelitul · 25/09/2024 21:18

Apparently we’re celebrating this at work, which seems to consist of endless blogs about being bisexual and being “visible.” Fine, no problem with that, but why do I need to know in the workplace? Does it affect how they do their job?

I’m not being goady, I genuinely don’t see why I need to know.

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5128gap · 26/09/2024 13:10

Combattingthemoaners · 26/09/2024 12:57

But Sandra might want to work in an organisation where she knows it’s absolutely fine to discuss her wife out in the open. Don’t take it as a given that this culture exists in every place of work, it doesn’t.

I completely get that and I'm all for a culture where people don't make assumptions everyone has an opposite sex partner. I can see perfectly why Sandra wouldn't want people to assume she had a husband when she has a wife. What im not sure about is why she'd want us to know that while she currently has a wife, she may one day have a husband.

TheRavenSaid · 26/09/2024 13:09

Beth216 · 26/09/2024 09:42

Haha, wish you'd been around to tell my (unknowingly to me) bi DH that you can be bi and faithful and not always be thinking about missing sex with the gender of partner they aren't currently with. I would have had a lot less doggy style sex with him then. After I found out I read research that found that bi men were the most likely to admit to cheating in a relationship out of any group. So I'm really happy for you to date bi men but I wouldn't be taking my chances again.

Plenty of hetro men out there doing the dirty

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 13:08

floppybit · 26/09/2024 10:01

We are accepting to the point we don't care! Which is how it should be! What you choose to do with your minge has nothing to do with work ffs!

This is my personal favourite. “What you choose to do with your minge has nothing to do with work ffs!” 🤦‍♀️

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 26/09/2024 13:07

EffortlesslyInelegant · 25/09/2024 21:36

Biphobia? What fresh hell is this? There's way too much oversharing now. Just do what you want in the bedroom but please nobody assume I either want to know or give a shit.

100%

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 13:04

TheRavenSaid · 26/09/2024 13:01

Being gay and bisexual is normal

Totally agree, I dont need to know what gets you going at work, its not appropriate - I dont care about your sex life

This comment exactly proves what I've been saying for several pages.

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 13:03

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I (obviously) don't mean that an individual microagression will directly lead to a hate crime against that individual. I think you know that.

Microaggressions can cumulatively contribute to a hostile social environment which can increase the likelihood of overt acts of hate. There is data on this if you're actually interested, for example www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/2021-sept-microaggressions.html

TheRavenSaid · 26/09/2024 13:01

Kizmette · 25/09/2024 21:37

I'm bisexual and I find this ridiculous.

Who I have sex with is nobody's business but my own and I certainly don't want my sex preferences to be 'visable' at work.

It's fucking stupid.
Being gay and bisexual is normal. It doesn't need to be celebrated or made 'visible'
That infers it's something out of the ordinary or special. It's fucking not.

I'm absolutely sick to death of this rainbow bullshit and so many of my bi and lesbian friends feel the same way.

Being gay and bisexual is normal

Totally agree, I dont need to know what gets you going at work, its not appropriate - I dont care about your sex life

viques · 26/09/2024 12:58

DoloresHargreeves · 26/09/2024 10:31

I've changed my mind, this thread has convinced me that one month isn't enough. Let's make it two...

OK, but only if we can upgrade Talk Like a Pirate Day to Talk Like a Pirate Week.

Naunet · 26/09/2024 12:57

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Combattingthemoaners · 26/09/2024 12:57

MarkingBad · 25/09/2024 23:58

But do I need to know if Sandra in HR is bi, how will that help sort out the stationery cupboard or remember the formula for concatenation in Excel?

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But Sandra might want to work in an organisation where she knows it’s absolutely fine to discuss her wife out in the open. Don’t take it as a given that this culture exists in every place of work, it doesn’t.

Tatiepot · 26/09/2024 12:54

I think it was George Michael who said "it isn't about who you can get it up for, it's about who you can fall in love with".

And who needs to be talking to their work colleagues about that kind of stuff, it's far too precious to be taking to work.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/09/2024 12:52

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 12:35

Well, I feel the same way about all of these comments on here. There are several crass comments implying that talking about bisexuality is immediately implying something sexual, perverse, and dirty, that should be a secret and not able to be discussed. Yet nobody would ever suggest that someone discussing a personal aspect of their lives was sexual if they were heterosexual - even something like having children which is obviously a direct result of sex, as you said.

Why is it the case that discussing being bisexual or gay is immediately something private that goes on in the bedroom and should be hidden from the workplace, but being heterosexual is normal, acceptable, and perfectly civilised to discuss?

My lesbian boss has a baby. Gametes are biology, carrying a child is biology but conception doesn't have to be penis-in-vagina. Same sex couples have children and it's nothing new. I'm not sure if that was the point you were making but babies are either cute or boring when mentioned, regardless. I make the accepted noises but I only really care if the parent is somebody I care about, if that makes sense.

If I met you and you told me that you were bi-sexual I wouldn't think anything of it, anymore than when I met my boss and she told me she was a lesbian. If you['re making the point that heterosexual people do not feel compelled to state their sexuality then yes, I agree with you. I've never ever told anybody that I'm straight, never felt the need to because it's accepted as 'the norm'. I totally get that. I've never known anything different.

When you talk about being bisexual or gay, what kind of conversations are those as opposed to what a heterosexual person might talk about? As I've said, bedroom chat isn't something I want to know about from anybody so that can be removed from focus. What is there about bisexuality or being gay that cannot be talked about? Nobody does discuss heterosexuality, that's the point but also the point that because it's 'the norm' then there's perhaps an unfairness there that straight people would be unaware of. That's what I'm asking.

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 12:51

Naunet · 26/09/2024 12:47

I wouldn’t be offended because they’re not particularly offensive comments. I’ve had similar about being left handed, or not having children, you can’t go through life expecting never to be offended, you can’t force dickheads to cease to exist, so the key is to manage your own reactions. It doesn’t have to impact you in the slightest, you’re choosing to let it. If someone had beaten you up because you were bi, or continuously harassed you, or painted slurs on your front door, then I’d understand, but this is so minor.

Microagressions are part of the wider problem that normalises ignorance and ultimately leads to the hate crimes you have described.

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 12:51

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 12:49

Some ways you can mention your sexuality at work-

  • My boyfriend got promoted last month
  • My husband and I watched that Netflix programme you recommended
  • I went to Sicily with my boyfriend last year
  • We're decorating our living room at the moment- I hate painting but luckily my husband is good at it!

As heterosexuality is assumed, if you are a woman none of the above is likely to invite any further question about your personal or sex life.

If you are a woman and you mention a girlfriend/wife in those examples, you are likely to receive personal follow up questions along the lines of the examples I gave upthread. Not every workplace! And not all the time! But at some point in your life you probably will.

THAT is the difference.

Cheering you on @sweetpickle2 😁

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 12:49

SwingTheMonkey · 26/09/2024 12:41

Who, exactly, is discussing ‘being heterosexual’ at work. I’m heterosexual and have never felt compelled to discuss my sexuality with anyone.

Nobody thinks bisexuals talking about their private lives must mean they’re discussing sex. The point people are trying to make, is that nobody needs to be explicitly aware of the sexual orientation of their co workers. Daniel wants to talk about abseiling at the weekend with his partner Neil, crack on - if that’s the working environment you have. Same as Pat from accounting might talk about her and her husband seeing the grandkids yesterday. Do we need to explicitly be told what sexuality those individuals identify as? No. They’re just people. At work. Performing a role. No further information required, unless someone is desperate to share - and that applies to hetero, homo or bi.

Some ways you can mention your sexuality at work-

  • My boyfriend got promoted last month
  • My husband and I watched that Netflix programme you recommended
  • I went to Sicily with my boyfriend last year
  • We're decorating our living room at the moment- I hate painting but luckily my husband is good at it!

As heterosexuality is assumed, if you are a woman none of the above is likely to invite any further question about your personal or sex life.

If you are a woman and you mention a girlfriend/wife in those examples, you are likely to receive personal follow up questions along the lines of the examples I gave upthread. Not every workplace! And not all the time! But at some point in your life you probably will.

THAT is the difference.

5128gap · 26/09/2024 12:49

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 12:35

Well, I feel the same way about all of these comments on here. There are several crass comments implying that talking about bisexuality is immediately implying something sexual, perverse, and dirty, that should be a secret and not able to be discussed. Yet nobody would ever suggest that someone discussing a personal aspect of their lives was sexual if they were heterosexual - even something like having children which is obviously a direct result of sex, as you said.

Why is it the case that discussing being bisexual or gay is immediately something private that goes on in the bedroom and should be hidden from the workplace, but being heterosexual is normal, acceptable, and perfectly civilised to discuss?

What is it you would want to discuss at work about being bi sexual though? Genuine question. Because other than a passing reference to our partners or a bit of chit chat about our home life where they might feature, most people would simply refer to their partner by name or say they were male or female. In what circumstances would it be that you would say my partner is currently female, but before that I had a male partner? Not that you couldn't or should expect shock from colleagues, but would it really be something people did at such frequency there had to be special awareness around it?

5128gap · 26/09/2024 12:49

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 12:35

Well, I feel the same way about all of these comments on here. There are several crass comments implying that talking about bisexuality is immediately implying something sexual, perverse, and dirty, that should be a secret and not able to be discussed. Yet nobody would ever suggest that someone discussing a personal aspect of their lives was sexual if they were heterosexual - even something like having children which is obviously a direct result of sex, as you said.

Why is it the case that discussing being bisexual or gay is immediately something private that goes on in the bedroom and should be hidden from the workplace, but being heterosexual is normal, acceptable, and perfectly civilised to discuss?

What is it you would want to discuss at work about being bi sexual though? Genuine question. Because other than a passing reference to our partners or a bit of chit chat about our home life where they might feature, most people would simply refer to their partner by name or say they were male or female. In what circumstances would it be that you would say my partner is currently female, but before that I had a male partner? Not that you couldn't or should expect shock from colleagues, but would it really be something people did at such frequency there had to be special awareness around it?

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 12:48

MrsNotquiteAverage · 26/09/2024 11:59

Oh Save us from these 'let it all hang out' enthusiasts!!
Yes I have a GF not a BF. I am pleased that @Katielovesteatime would accept me if she knew.
But my sexuality is none of her business. Neither is it her business if I tell anyone or no-one.
OP. A waste of time by everyone imo. Do please ask the 'why' questions at work.

You're missing the point. Nobody is forced, during events like this, to share aspects of themselves if they don't want to. But without events like this, people might feel forced to hide aspects of themselves.

Naunet · 26/09/2024 12:47

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 12:26

Good for you that you wouldn't get worked up about any of that. Surely you can see that not everyone is the same as you?

I wouldn't cause a scene about it or anything, but as @XDownwiththissortofthingX says above it's this kind of quiet assumption that proves exactly why bisexuality awareness month is needed- so that heterosexuality isn't the assumed default.

"For example asking why you’re dating a man, could come from a woman who had just had a bad experience with men and said it in a flippant way because if she was bi, she’d write men off - without the context it’s hard to know." - this whole bit is really weird. Why make up some completely random scenario for "context" when you could just ask me to clarify if you're that bothered (I suspect you're not actually if you'd sooner tie yourself in knots making something up instead).

I wouldn’t be offended because they’re not particularly offensive comments. I’ve had similar about being left handed, or not having children, you can’t go through life expecting never to be offended, you can’t force dickheads to cease to exist, so the key is to manage your own reactions. It doesn’t have to impact you in the slightest, you’re choosing to let it. If someone had beaten you up because you were bi, or continuously harassed you, or painted slurs on your front door, then I’d understand, but this is so minor.

StoatofDisarray · 26/09/2024 12:43

Another bisexual woman dying of cringe here.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/09/2024 12:42

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 12:33

Bisexual people can't mention their partners in the same way, that's the whole point!

It might be the case at your workplace that nobody cares what anyone's sexuality is, but can you honestly not see that homophobia and biphobia exists and in some environments people are not able to share who they are fully for fear of discrimination?

See my examples upthread for ways in which my sexuality has been questioned at work. Do you think straight people are questioned in this way?

Why though? I wouldn't presume that anybody has more than one partner at a time and if I knew you I might ask a general question about your partner (I wouldn't assume male or female with anybody). Why would you not be able to answer or feel free to just bring up your partner in conversation?

Is it that you would need to say that you're bi-sexual, specifically? I know that some people make jokes about 'hedging their bets', those are quickly shut down amongst decent folk, but I do not understand the nuance of bisexuality in that you're hampered in a way that gay/lesbian people are not?

It's not just my workplace; most places that I've seen (and I'm more aware because of my boss) are 'enlightened' and accepting of anybody and everybody, regardless of sexuality. It's become almost a non-issue in that if you're human and decent (not going to smash the place up) then you're golden.

I've read your points in the e-mail you suggested and to be honest, I would be very annoyed to be asked those questions and would give very short shrift to anybody who asked them. I'm straight and wouldn't like it so, what is different?

I'm sincerely trying to understand, I'm not being obtuse but at the same time, I don't expect that anybody has to educate me either so feel free to ignore my post if it's annoying.

SwingTheMonkey · 26/09/2024 12:41

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 12:35

Well, I feel the same way about all of these comments on here. There are several crass comments implying that talking about bisexuality is immediately implying something sexual, perverse, and dirty, that should be a secret and not able to be discussed. Yet nobody would ever suggest that someone discussing a personal aspect of their lives was sexual if they were heterosexual - even something like having children which is obviously a direct result of sex, as you said.

Why is it the case that discussing being bisexual or gay is immediately something private that goes on in the bedroom and should be hidden from the workplace, but being heterosexual is normal, acceptable, and perfectly civilised to discuss?

Who, exactly, is discussing ‘being heterosexual’ at work. I’m heterosexual and have never felt compelled to discuss my sexuality with anyone.

Nobody thinks bisexuals talking about their private lives must mean they’re discussing sex. The point people are trying to make, is that nobody needs to be explicitly aware of the sexual orientation of their co workers. Daniel wants to talk about abseiling at the weekend with his partner Neil, crack on - if that’s the working environment you have. Same as Pat from accounting might talk about her and her husband seeing the grandkids yesterday. Do we need to explicitly be told what sexuality those individuals identify as? No. They’re just people. At work. Performing a role. No further information required, unless someone is desperate to share - and that applies to hetero, homo or bi.

FatArse123 · 26/09/2024 12:41

Bobbingtons · 26/09/2024 09:45

I totally agree? They should ban all talk about partners, especially the endless drivel when they decide to get married. The worst ones are the ones with kids, they never stop mentioning them. How dare they shove their sexuality down our throats on a daily basis, constantly reminding us what they do in bed, nobody cares. What's worse are the inconsiderate people who have pictures of their kids in public view, it's just pure woke virtue signalling advertising to the world what they get up to in bed. Why keep advertising it every day of the year.

This 100%.

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 12:35

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/09/2024 12:28

What is stopping you talking about your partner if you want to, Katielovesteatime? In the same way that I might mention my husband. Can't you mention your partner if you choose to?

I really don't get these 'penis in vagina' comments at all, just because someone says that they have a child? It's gross really. Everybody knows - whatever their sexuality - how babies are made, there's no need for this.

Well, I feel the same way about all of these comments on here. There are several crass comments implying that talking about bisexuality is immediately implying something sexual, perverse, and dirty, that should be a secret and not able to be discussed. Yet nobody would ever suggest that someone discussing a personal aspect of their lives was sexual if they were heterosexual - even something like having children which is obviously a direct result of sex, as you said.

Why is it the case that discussing being bisexual or gay is immediately something private that goes on in the bedroom and should be hidden from the workplace, but being heterosexual is normal, acceptable, and perfectly civilised to discuss?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/09/2024 12:35

5128gap · 26/09/2024 12:33

All we need to be 'aware of' at work is that not everyone is in a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, and that we should remember this and not make assumptions by asking Jake if he's bringing his girlfriend to the works do, or similar.

Exactly. "Are you bringing anybody to the works party?", covers it. Can be said to anybody. Response can be anything from 'Yes, my partner' to 'Yes, Alice' or 'Mind your own business' or 'I'm not going', or 'I'm not bringing anyone'.

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