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Bisexual Awareness Month

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InPulaCuSatelitul · 25/09/2024 21:18

Apparently we’re celebrating this at work, which seems to consist of endless blogs about being bisexual and being “visible.” Fine, no problem with that, but why do I need to know in the workplace? Does it affect how they do their job?

I’m not being goady, I genuinely don’t see why I need to know.

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Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 15:30

Combattingthemoaners · 26/09/2024 15:07

@Katielovesteatime its rather depressing isn’t it. I will have to throw away my big gay sign and rainbow flag I’ve been carrying around for all of that attention we are craving.

Haha! We should probably start our own thread to strategize some more effective attention seeking tactics. It seems they’re on to us!

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 15:28

TheRavenSaid · 26/09/2024 15:23

What is wrong with me not wanting to know what you do in the bedroom ?

Some people could start a fight in an empty room

I think you’re quite spectacularly missing the point.

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 15:27

TheRavenSaid · 26/09/2024 15:23

What is wrong with me not wanting to know what you do in the bedroom ?

Some people could start a fight in an empty room

Of course if someone comes into an office and says "I shagged this person and the weekend and we did it in this position" etc that is different and totally inappropriate but literally nobody is talking about that?

This is about finding out someone is gay or bisexual and responding that you don't need to know what gets them going (which is what you said).

VickyEadieofThigh · 26/09/2024 15:25

Naunet · 25/09/2024 22:07

As a bi woman of 44 years, I strongly disagree. Biphobia isn’t a thing, an outbreak of people wanting a victim status is.

As a bisexual (but with a woman for 25 years now) in my 60s, I found that when people I worked with found out I was bi they were rather impressed!

TheRavenSaid · 26/09/2024 15:23

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 15:21

Is that why you said "I dont need to know what gets you going at work, its not appropriate - I dont care about your sex life"?

What is wrong with me not wanting to know what you do in the bedroom ?

Some people could start a fight in an empty room

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 15:21

TheRavenSaid · 26/09/2024 15:21

By your definition, heterosexuality is people who like sex with the opposite gender- but as has been repeated many times on this thread, Susan in the office talking about going to Homebase with her husband at the weekend doesn't immediately conjure up images of their sex life or "what gets them going".

And you saying you're spending the weekend with Brenda or Brian is exactly the same, I don't think about what my lesbian friends are up to in the bedroom, any more than I think about my neighbours sex life, most people really dont care

Is that why you said "I dont need to know what gets you going at work, its not appropriate - I dont care about your sex life"?

TheRavenSaid · 26/09/2024 15:21

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 15:18

By your definition, heterosexuality is people who like sex with the opposite gender- but as has been repeated many times on this thread, Susan in the office talking about going to Homebase with her husband at the weekend doesn't immediately conjure up images of their sex life or "what gets them going".

Anyway the definition of sexuality is about more than sex- sexuality involves how people experience attraction, who they form intimate bonds with, and how they identify in terms of sexual orientation. It’s about who someone is drawn to, in terms of gender, for relationships or intimacy, but it doesn’t always centre on the physical aspect.

By your definition, heterosexuality is people who like sex with the opposite gender- but as has been repeated many times on this thread, Susan in the office talking about going to Homebase with her husband at the weekend doesn't immediately conjure up images of their sex life or "what gets them going".

And you saying you're spending the weekend with Brenda or Brian is exactly the same, I don't think about what my lesbian friends are up to in the bedroom, any more than I think about my neighbours sex life, most people really dont care

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 15:18

TheRavenSaid · 26/09/2024 15:12

erm OK - its in the name bi-sex-uality?

How / what else is it?

Lesbians like sex with women
Gay men like sex with men
Bisexuals like sex with men or women

By your definition, heterosexuality is people who like sex with the opposite gender- but as has been repeated many times on this thread, Susan in the office talking about going to Homebase with her husband at the weekend doesn't immediately conjure up images of their sex life or "what gets them going".

Anyway the definition of sexuality is about more than sex- sexuality involves how people experience attraction, who they form intimate bonds with, and how they identify in terms of sexual orientation. It’s about who someone is drawn to, in terms of gender, for relationships or intimacy, but it doesn’t always centre on the physical aspect.

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 15:12

Also, I obviously don’t mean that I’d like to stand up on a table, clap my hands, call for attention and announce, “Attention everyone! I am bisexual!”

What I mean is, like a PP said, my colleagues and I spend 9 hours a day together! My colleagues share so many parts of their personal lives and we have gotten to know each other really well.

For example, I know all my colleagues partners and kids names. I know when they argue or break up. I know what they did at the weekend and what TV shows they watch together.

I know about their pasts, too - I’ve heard stories about nasty exes, or great holidays they went on with previous boyfriends, or funny stories that happened on dates when they were younger. And so on.

So if I’d like to contribute to some of these conversations then of course, I might need to share (in some way) that I am with, or have been with, people of the same sex.

It’s not about making a PPT all about myself and my sexual preferences. It’s about chatting about my life when they chat about theirs, or answering the questions they ask me honestly.

Stop trying to make it an attention seeking thing. There’s a difference between seeking attention and just not wanting to have to consciously hide parts of yourself.

TheRavenSaid · 26/09/2024 15:12

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 14:54

That conflating bisexuality with someone's sex life is an issue.

erm OK - its in the name bi-sex-uality?

How / what else is it?

Lesbians like sex with women
Gay men like sex with men
Bisexuals like sex with men or women

Combattingthemoaners · 26/09/2024 15:07

@Katielovesteatime its rather depressing isn’t it. I will have to throw away my big gay sign and rainbow flag I’ve been carrying around for all of that attention we are craving.

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 14:58

Hoppinggreen · 26/09/2024 14:50

There is a big difference between having to hide your sexual preferences and announcing them.
I don't care who shags who as long as its legal, consensual and in an appropriate place and while I would be happy to know that Janices daughter is getting married or Fred is off to Ibiza at the weekend I really do NOT need to know their sexual preferences and they don't need to know mine

IS there a big difference? I don’t think so at all. That certainly hasn’t been my experience. I very much have had to choose whether to tell people, or whether to consciously withhold it. If that’s your experience then that’s great, but it hasn’t been mine.

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 14:54

TheRavenSaid · 26/09/2024 14:49

I've looked through your posts, and not sure what you mean?

That conflating bisexuality with someone's sex life is an issue.

Alectoishome · 26/09/2024 14:54

DoloresHargreeves · 26/09/2024 14:32

Yeah, the idea that people are announcing their sexuality at work is laughable. That's not what's happening. In most offices with core staff you just get to know each other after a while. My colleagues know my family set up, and I know theirs (how many kids, rough ages, if they have partners, partner's jobs).

Here's an example from an old workplace. A colleague was married to a man, got divorced. Started dating a woman after a year or so, a few years later they broke up. Then she started dating a man. All pretty standard, she didn't talk about her sexuality or her dating life really. People knew about the divorce because at the time it was upsetting and involved split childcare. People knew about the other people she was dating when the relationships were established enough for work socials.

Anyway, you should have heard some of the comments from male colleagues. Funnily enough no one commented when she started dating a woman, but all seemed to think it was hilarious when she started dating the man. Loads of laughing and "oh so she's changed her mind again has she", "god she just can't choose can she". The implication and tone was that she was just being silly. It was really weird. Almost like because they couldn't imagine being attracted to both sexes, they assume that she was just switching her own preferences rather than genuinely being attracted to both.

That kind of talk is horrid but the people that talk like that do it about everybody, we all fall prey to it. The next moment they'll be gossiping about Suzanne having lost too much weight, how it was a bit off of Pat not to go to Jane's leaving do, how the new temp girl thinks she knows it all and endless speculation about if Martin from accounting is having an affair with Katie from auditing. It's not just a special bit of nastiness for bisexuals. They are not going stop because of a special 'awareness' power point presentation, its just human nature.

Getonwitit · 26/09/2024 14:51

Purposefullyporous · 25/09/2024 23:53

Biphobia really is a thing.
There's loads of people who feel it's pure exhibitionism because you could just 'choose to be straight'. Therefore even amongst people who say they are OK with homosexuality you still get biphobia. And of course you get it from everyone homophonic too.
You get people saying it's just hypersexuality and not a real sexual orientation.
You get gay people saying it's disgusting and not really gay and that they'd never date anyone bi. You get straight people saying it's disgusting and that they'd never date anyone bi.
You get flack for saying you are bi because 'no one needs to know that' however if you don't talk about it then people assume you are straight, and act wierd if they somehow find out that you've had same sex relationships because it's a shock to them.
Another facet of it is people saying bi people can't be faithful because they will always be thinking about missing sex with the gender of partner they aren't currently with.

And the vast majority don't give a flying fig whether Jason from Accounts is sleeping with Daniel or Danielle. But hey we all need a special month to make us feel special.

Hoppinggreen · 26/09/2024 14:50

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 14:45

I've absolutely never, in all my life, had a workplace where colleagues didn't share and discuss aspects of their lives, and bond, and become friends (with at least SOME people!) and acquaintances with others. We spend so much of our day in the workplace. We see our colleagues more than our own families most days. Having to hide an aspect of yourself for 9 hours a day is exhausting. I chat with my colleagues about all sorts of things, I don't think it's unusual to share parts of your daily life with people you see every day!

There is a big difference between having to hide your sexual preferences and announcing them.
I don't care who shags who as long as its legal, consensual and in an appropriate place and while I would be happy to know that Janices daughter is getting married or Fred is off to Ibiza at the weekend I really do NOT need to know their sexual preferences and they don't need to know mine

TheRavenSaid · 26/09/2024 14:49

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 13:04

This comment exactly proves what I've been saying for several pages.

I've looked through your posts, and not sure what you mean?

Verv · 26/09/2024 14:48

I preferred it a few years ago when everyone had conceded that yes, LGB people are just as dull as everyone else, and nobody was forced to affirm us in the workplace.
Didnt need a month of bloody awareness which just increases intolerance (understandably) from people who are trying to get on with their jobs and their deadlines.

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 14:45

Hoppinggreen · 26/09/2024 14:40

At work?
Shouldn't you be actually doing, you know, work rather than "sharing experiences"
Surely everyone just turns up, does their job, maybe has a nice chat about what they are up to at the weekend - no need to know who does/doesn't like a bit of Cock

I've absolutely never, in all my life, had a workplace where colleagues didn't share and discuss aspects of their lives, and bond, and become friends (with at least SOME people!) and acquaintances with others. We spend so much of our day in the workplace. We see our colleagues more than our own families most days. Having to hide an aspect of yourself for 9 hours a day is exhausting. I chat with my colleagues about all sorts of things, I don't think it's unusual to share parts of your daily life with people you see every day!

Hoppinggreen · 26/09/2024 14:40

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 09:31

I was under the impression it was an 'awareness' month, not a 'celebration' month. Raising awareness means sharing our experiences and attempting to build mutual respect and understanding. I would 100% be interested in, and enthusiastic about, listening to anyone who wanted to raise awareness about an aspect of their life or personality that they felt people misunderstood or discriminated against them about, yes.

At work?
Shouldn't you be actually doing, you know, work rather than "sharing experiences"
Surely everyone just turns up, does their job, maybe has a nice chat about what they are up to at the weekend - no need to know who does/doesn't like a bit of Cock

Katielovesteatime · 26/09/2024 14:40

Combattingthemoaners · 26/09/2024 13:35

I hope you don’t mind me jumping in? From my experience it feels very much like having to “come out” every time you start a new job or meet somebody new. I don’t look like a “stereotypical” gay woman so people always ask me about my husband. I know no one is doing this deliberately to make me feel awkward but it becomes tiresome always having to correct people. I have also worked at places where people would make openly homophobic comments not knowing I was gay and this made me censor my life out at work. Imagine never being able to tell people who you were going on holiday with or what you did at the weekend or where you’re going tonight?

I do understand why people eye roll when they hear of another week or day they have to “celebrate” and that’s why this kind of thing loses its impact. We should just be able to live and work in an environment where everyone accepts people are different and they don’t assume but I don’t know how you create that culture without first highlighting differences exist?

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I think this sums up how I feel as well. If you're heterosexual, you never have to think about or worry about this sort of thing. But I feel like I'm constantly facing this issue when I make new friends or meet new people where I have to choose between 'coming out' to them (and worrying about when and how would be appropriate), or deliberately withholding that part of my life from them, which feels dishonest and also means that I have to consciously withhold information from them/be careful what I say/what stories I tell/who I talk about, and so on.

Deciding the 'come out' to someone means the worry of when and how and worrying what their reaction will be. NOT coming out to them means feeling like I can never bond with them, or have an honest and real relationship. In this instance, it can be really little things that make you feel really isolated. I recall one time when my colleagues were laughing and bonding over who their first crushes were, and I had a panic between telling the truth or making something up or just pretending I couldn't remember. It's having to be on guard.

I have lost friends who I have 'come out' too - not long ago, a whole group. This was because they'd found out I was bisexual when I was with a man (who they were also friends with) and they were horrified and thought I was untrustworthy/promiscuous/would cheat/was secretly a lesbian, etc. I've also upset people by not telling them - a colleague of mine who became quite a good friend (daily lunches etc) but I'd just not felt comfortable to bring it up due to not knowing if it was okay or appropriate or not. She was really hurt when she found out after knowing me for ages, as I'd hidden an important part of myself from her, and she'd been open with me about her life.

I just feel like some kind of workplace activity like this would have made it much easier. Making it feel like a safe environment, making it feel like it WAS appropriate and okay to be open if I wanted to, making it feel like it wasn't something I needed to hide if I didn't want to.

Again, it's just nice to feel safe to share parts of yourself. And hasn't this thread shown why some people don't feel safe or confident to talk about being bisexual? Look at some of the comments!

ILoveAnnaQuay · 26/09/2024 14:39

We've had sessions at work on "being an ally" of Asexual and Aromantic people (along with the rest of the alphabet soup).

Mind you, I work for a Local Authority where one of my colleagues got dragged through the mud for refusing to recognise that another colleague's dog is gender fluid (spoiler alert. It's not gender fluid, it's a dog).

DoloresHargreeves · 26/09/2024 14:32

Yeah, the idea that people are announcing their sexuality at work is laughable. That's not what's happening. In most offices with core staff you just get to know each other after a while. My colleagues know my family set up, and I know theirs (how many kids, rough ages, if they have partners, partner's jobs).

Here's an example from an old workplace. A colleague was married to a man, got divorced. Started dating a woman after a year or so, a few years later they broke up. Then she started dating a man. All pretty standard, she didn't talk about her sexuality or her dating life really. People knew about the divorce because at the time it was upsetting and involved split childcare. People knew about the other people she was dating when the relationships were established enough for work socials.

Anyway, you should have heard some of the comments from male colleagues. Funnily enough no one commented when she started dating a woman, but all seemed to think it was hilarious when she started dating the man. Loads of laughing and "oh so she's changed her mind again has she", "god she just can't choose can she". The implication and tone was that she was just being silly. It was really weird. Almost like because they couldn't imagine being attracted to both sexes, they assume that she was just switching her own preferences rather than genuinely being attracted to both.

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Do you not talk about your partner/husband/wife at work?

Combattingthemoaners · 26/09/2024 14:20

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/09/2024 13:50

Of course not, Combattingthemoaners, thanks for explaining how it is for you. The 'coming out' with every new job must be an absolute bind as is the assumption that you have a husband. It shouldn't be this way. I'm probably unaware of what workplaces are generally like now as I've been in the same job for 15 years. Mine is diverse, it's international and hearing of same sex relationships doesn't have impact at all; it's not the same elsewhere. I worked for several councils before my current job and that is full of managers who are white, middle-aged men - and bigoted as they come.

I know that people do make comments because I get told by the person commented on and it's shocking. I had a black colleague who told me that she was groped on the tube and it impacted her so badly that she left the job. As a female (white), I was used to getting groped by grim men but had no idea of the difference for a black woman and was ashamed that I tried to reassure her.

I think the sooner that people can feel confident and accepted in their conversations, the better. You absolutely should be able to talk about your homelife without people making assumptions or horrible comments and why the hell should you feel that you can't talk about this? I don't know what the answer is.

I don't know what the answer is to the 'celebration' days or weeks is either? When it doesn't affect you, it doesn't necessarily register but it should, I get that. Nobody should feel stifled and perhaps hetero-normal should be a standard to which every other should rise up to and be supported until it is itself, the standard?

I'm not explaining well but I do hear what you're saying and I'm sorry that things are as difficult as they are.

You explain it very well! Thank you for taking the time to reply and thanks for understanding.

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