Page 9 | Labour PIP benefit cuts

deltabluesandpinks · 25/09/2024 22:57

Stickytoffeepudding6 · 25/09/2024 21:01

Can someone help me please?

I'm absolutely spiraling. I've just read up about the Labour conference and everything about PIP reforms.

I'm absolutely panicking. I feel like giving up. I'm on PIP with mental health.

I do work. Part time.

But you haven't read anything about PIP reforms, because nothing was said about PIP reforms.
I either feel bad for you that the media have managed to spin this bullshit to make you feel scared.
Or I'm angry that you're yet another poster trying to whip up hate for Labour.
I hope you're the former.

Thevelvelletes · 25/09/2024 22:54

This has been done to death.for the most part benefit claiming is not an easy process and most people would give their eye teeth to have their health and work.
Some get pip/ADP Scotland and still work under Very difficult circumstances.

Miley1967 · 25/09/2024 22:52

CloseCalm · 25/09/2024 22:38

( They’ve done that with pensioners) not meaning to be alarmist.

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A one off £200 a year payment is not quite the same as slashing a four weekly payment worth potentially hundreds a month, plus all the rest that can come with it like sdp payments.

TomatoSandwiches · 25/09/2024 22:52

They need to reform the NHS and mental health services first.

Viviennemary · 25/09/2024 22:46

PIP needs to.be abolished and a new system set up.

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 25/09/2024 22:43

There are too many people not working. That is a fact. Some undoubtedly need to be on long term benefits. Some need extra support to help them work. Some take the piss. I have had a number of people come to a first appointment with demanding a letter saying they cant work due to MH. When I have not even assessed them yet. Most of them are full of shit. I support people who have genuine need. But I am fed up with the sheer numbers now who just want to claim.

CloseCalm · 25/09/2024 22:38

randomchap · 25/09/2024 21:16

They would not slash the payments immediately and plunge thousands of people into poverty.

Where are you getting this info from? Is it reputable and well known news outlets?

( They’ve done that with pensioners) not meaning to be alarmist.

Justwingingit2005 · 25/09/2024 22:35

I think there needs to be a reform on benefits.
Our neighbour claims mental health issues, and laughs about how much she gets and openly admits she has no mental health issues she just 'can't be bothered to work'.

JenniferBooth · 25/09/2024 22:30

Mainoo72 · 25/09/2024 21:17

Labour are making noises about long term sick needing to get back to work, so they will cut benefits in one form or another. Hard to know exactly what this will look like though.

They had better deal with the NHS waiting lists first then oh and someone needs to tell them that PIP is NOT an out of work benefit,

riversflows · 25/09/2024 22:27

Shit..no ? I can't work because of serious ill health and without higher rate pip and esa I'd go under. Please let it not be true.

randomchap · 25/09/2024 22:23

RiderOfTheBlue · 25/09/2024 22:08

Well to be fair not many people thought they'd immediately stop winter fuel allowance for millions of pensioners either. Plunging many of them into poverty. It's not surprising people are worried, feels like all bets are off at the moment.

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Removing a £200 annual benefit from some pensioners whilst increasing the state pension by more than that is not plunging people into poverty.

Saying that it is, is just scaremongering and frankly makes you look foolish

OhmygodDont · 25/09/2024 22:22

Pip gets you out of the benefit cap does it not.

Putting · 25/09/2024 22:22

Freshersfluforyou · 25/09/2024 22:20

Something crazy like 22% of working age adults are not working or looking for work. We cant sustain a quarter to a fifth of the adult population it's simply too many. The maths doesn't maths.

That might well be true, but has nothing to do with PIP - PIP isn’t an out-of-work only benefit.

x2boys · 25/09/2024 22:21

mrshoho · 25/09/2024 21:23

As far as I know the maximum pip payment is around £800 per month so not sure where you are getting £1600.

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If somebody.is entitled to the maximum PIP award they might also be entitled to universal credit ,whilst PIP is non means tested and universal credit is An entitlement to PIp cam enhance universal credit awards in some cases

Freshersfluforyou · 25/09/2024 22:20

Something crazy like 22% of working age adults are not working or looking for work. We cant sustain a quarter to a fifth of the adult population it's simply too many. The maths doesn't maths.

wheo · 25/09/2024 22:15

Phen0menon · 25/09/2024 21:58

You are really missing the point.

Its really not good how many people are long term not working due to illness/incapacity, including mental health. The point is to do more to prevent/treat the illness. Its good for the vast majority of people to be supported/helped to get back to work.

People forget that going to work is a thing, and should be the goal.

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Stickytoffeepudding6 · 25/09/2024 22:14

LadyKenya · 25/09/2024 22:10

It feels like there is an agenda that is going on here. It is see-through.

What are you on about?

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LadyKenya · 25/09/2024 22:10

It feels like there is an agenda that is going on here. It is see-through.

RiderOfTheBlue · 25/09/2024 22:08

randomchap · 25/09/2024 21:16

They would not slash the payments immediately and plunge thousands of people into poverty.

Where are you getting this info from? Is it reputable and well known news outlets?

Well to be fair not many people thought they'd immediately stop winter fuel allowance for millions of pensioners either. Plunging many of them into poverty. It's not surprising people are worried, feels like all bets are off at the moment.

OhmygodDont · 25/09/2024 22:01

harrumphh · 25/09/2024 21:54

There were only 2 new policy announcements in the conference and neither of those were related to PIP. I watched the whole thing.

No way are they going to announce anything about PIP when there's still so much backlash about winter fuel.

That or hit while the hates already high because once you’ve done all the shitting on people it can only improve from there.

Hope that people have started to forget or rather not care by the time voting come around again.

Overthebow · 25/09/2024 22:00

Pip does need a reform, as does other parts of the welfare system, but I very much doubt he’s going to cut pip in one go in the budget and put people into poverty. It wouldn’t help anyone.

Phen0menon · 25/09/2024 21:58

You are really missing the point.

Its really not good how many people are long term not working due to illness/incapacity, including mental health. The point is to do more to prevent/treat the illness. Its good for the vast majority of people to be supported/helped to get back to work.

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Stickytoffeepudding6 · 25/09/2024 21:58

harrumphh · 25/09/2024 21:54

There were only 2 new policy announcements in the conference and neither of those were related to PIP. I watched the whole thing.

No way are they going to announce anything about PIP when there's still so much backlash about winter fuel.

My Dad said that too. Thank you x

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TomatoSandwiches · 25/09/2024 21:56

PIP is non means tested, you could be a millionaire and claim it, it is partly designed to help people maintain working because we all know that being disabled makes life harder and more costly to adapt for every day life.

LadyKenya · 25/09/2024 21:56

beeloubee · 25/09/2024 21:51

Like to see this prick with a delayed diagnosis of broken neck like me plus tethered cord with no treatment from NHS return back to work. What a Prat. People are long term sick for a reason, another out of touch politician.

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Maybe the "Where they can" passed you by. Obviously some people will always be too sick, or disabled to work. Most sensible people know this.