Labour PIP benefit cuts

I've also read about the government giving vouchers instead of cash. All well and good if the vouchers can be used to pay for things like specialist therapy or hairdresser to wash a person's hair or cleaner to clean house for disabled person but if can only be used to pick aids from catalogues it won't work as many people spend their PIP on other things to help them get through their lives.

I presume they are thinking along the lines of how Brexit voters where called turkeys voting for Christmas.

The poorest will often vote labour and it’s labour wanting to take everything away. Turkeys and Christmas.

What I'm reading is they are targeting those who aren't working, so it will be those on ESA or UC. My PIP means I've been able to reduce my hours which means I can keep working, if I'm expected to work full time I simply can't due to my illness. PIP is a valuable in work benefit that supports people like me to keep working, it's unlikely they will change it too much.

This.

The spiralling feeling the op mentions will also be felt by many pensioners on basic state pensions this winter

Although that one is confirmed and not changing, with no impact assessment

Why are you laughing that disabled people are concerned about their future, regardless of whether or not they voted Labour? Frankly, this says much more about you than it says about them.

Lots of other people also voted Labour - yes, even those pensioners who have had WFA withdrawn. I'm not laughing at them, I'd like to ensure that all those in the most need receive support, regardless of their age or mobility. Or indeed their vote.

Those in most need of it will still receive it.

Pretty much everybody I should imagine

No, because they can also claim a carer's element of UC on top of that!

And for those who have DC in school, they do no more caring than I do.

I honestly don't know what happens when the DC reach adulthood; transfer to PIP is at 16, so I assume they can still claim the disabled child element for another couple of years.

It would be easy enough for me to give up work and claim UC, and I would be no worse off... And there would be no expectations on me to look for another job because I have a disabled child. We have peaks and troughs with my child and in those troughs, it is something that I have considered.

You don't get an extra amount on UC as an adult if you claim PIP. But if you're under 35 and single, PIP care does entitle you to the one bedroom rate LHA instead of the shared room rate. (And in some cases, an extra room for an overnight carer)

This.

Stop causing more of the problem.

🤣🤣🤣 I wonder how many people claiming PIP voted Labour.

But if you don't work due to caring for a disabled DC, then surely that is what that payment is for?
Does it stop when the DC reach adulthood, and transfers to PIP?

Labour sold the April line as a way to divert from the WFA cut over winter, and their own earlier report on 4000 deaths.

But this time no impact assessment

And people repeat it

The papers are waging war on keir.

think how much weight the papers carried with conservatives.
they would float an idea, papers print it and depending on the outcome would depend if they back tracked or ran with it.

Labour are not running a popularity contest like conservatives , just trying to clear up the mess.

I only know about DLA, but what @caringcarer is saying is that if your child is eligible for DLA, those on UC then get an additional disabled child element of UC which can be another few hundred pounds. So effectively being paid twice. I work and don't claim UC, so I only get DLA for my child. So my child is getting less for their disability, even though they might have the same disability.

I also think that this is absurd and unfair. The DLA is there to compensate for the disability, so why do those on UC get hundreds of pounds extra?

I claim DLA for one DC, but work and am not entitled to UC. I don't then get an extra amount from my employer!

Just like the WFA cut then. Extremely nuanced.

Yes and in fact the pension increase is not paid until May

People said that about PIP. But so many people are denied it and then money is wasted because they need to go to tribunal. That tribunal and all the stress could have been avoided if they were assessed properly in the first place.

@Stickytoffeepudding6 the cuts in PIP talked about are the ones the previous government was going to implement. The press are out to demonise Labour. Labour proposals are to cut waiting times for medical issues stopping people from working. In theory some people could work, but rely on antibiotics over winter, but can't get them for weeks, no employer will put up with the sickness levels just because of a lack of GP etc appointments. Also there's much needed work related courses, such as Microsoft office etc, that is wanted by employers. People returning to work/the over 50's don't necessarily want/need nationally recognised qualification based courses, just a refresh to show employers that they are competent. The previous government wanted people back in offices etc, Labour want employers to justify why the job can't be done remotely.

The proposed changes wouldn't apply to you because you are in work.

A new government means change and, understandably, change can cause anxiety about worst case scenarios. I think you're genuinely concerned op, and your anxiety is probably being fed by the news coverage of other benefits decisions the government has recently made.

All I can say is that at this point it is purely speculation - and speculation that is being sewn by the predominantly right wing press. I know it's an anxious time for many, but please try not to envisage a worst case scenario that is unlikely to play out. Much of the government's rhetoric has been around support. A nuanced approach is likely the most obvious outcome. We're used to hearing 'Reform' as Tory code for 'slash and burn'. Reform can mean just that - change where needed, retain/ improve/ increase support where needed.

I am a hundred percent happy to pay tax to support people who are too disabled/sick to work. That is basically what the welfare state is meant to be for. However, record numbers of people receiving PIP combined with one of the highest debt interest costs in the developed world, we can only afford to continue giving it to people who really need it. Obviously PIP isn’t the only issue though.

UC and DLA/PIP are seperate. No one is "paid twice" for being disabled. For starters, you can be eligible for one and not the other. PIP is to cover the extra costs of disability, and UC is to cover everyday living costs. Some people (not all) need both. An example would be someone who is unable to work (so gets UC), and uses PIP to pay for and run a wheelchair, medical equipment etc.

As a working disabled person, I welcome support for people with additional needs to remain in or return to employment. Make it easier. Support businesses in making adaptations to help people with disabilities work.

I could survive financially without my PIP. But since receiving it, I've been mindful of the things I spend more on because of my disability.