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Childminder pay after bereavement

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familylifeishard · 25/09/2024 17:27

Hi all, first time poster here so would appreciate your thoughts. Our childminders mum died last week so she didn’t work 2 of the 3 days my son goes there. No problem as I kept him at home whilst working. My question is, would you still pay her for those 2 days or let it go due to the bereavement. I feel awkward deducting the fees but DH says that the consequences of being self employed. She told me to take it off the monthly fee but I’d already paid it so don’t know what to do next month?! Thanks for reading and any thoughts you have!

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GingerKombucha · 25/09/2024 20:53

Sounds like you still worked and got paid so I'd just pay. If you'd had to take unpaid time off I might have a different view.

hellywelly3 · 25/09/2024 20:52

Just pay it. Be kind

Duckinglunacy · 25/09/2024 20:48

When my cleaner’s husband died suddenly I transferred her £250 (about 6 sessions’ pay) and told her to only come back when she felt ready. She came back after 4 weeks and I started paying her as normal. She later said that was a real lifeline.

NewNameNoelle · 25/09/2024 20:45

I would pay, and have paid in similar circumstances.

A little bit of generosity and empathy goes a long way. I aim to be the best person I can be (tbh often failing miserably), and I would pay.

sharpclawedkitten · 25/09/2024 20:43

Starlightstarbright3 · 25/09/2024 17:31

depending on contract you are well within your rights not to pay … however as a previous childminder , I can tell you any parent that understood this wasn’t a planned time off would be more likely to engage in loyalty . When i gave up part of my reasons was seeing parents who just viewed it as a business transaction.

Really? I thought childminders saw it as a business transaction too. Ultimately they need to earn money to eat. It's business.

IAmTooOldFor · 25/09/2024 20:42

thedefinitionofmadness · 25/09/2024 19:24

This depends entirely on two things:

The nature of the contract

The nature of the relationship

Hopefully the contracts you issue ensure that the costs of your sick pay etc are factored into the rate you charge.

This is very unlikely to be the case for a childminder.

Respectfully I disagree. A contract is a contract and a childminder should 100% build cover for holidays/illness/emergencies into theirs. After all they don’t work 52 weeks a year.

Seashor · 25/09/2024 20:35

Pay her, poor woman.

AmusedMaker · 25/09/2024 20:33

I would pay.

ZiriForGood · 25/09/2024 20:32

I don't see anything wrong in taking it from the next payment exactly as she told you.

Self employment means that the rate they charge is set to already cover their time off. It is one of the reasons there is a difference between self employed rate and hourly vage of employees doing the same thing.

Nothing is stopping you from wanting to give her something extra, but it is your decision and both options are ok.

I don't understand why people who give someone at business context small extra money consider themselves moral or good doing so. In my eyes it is rather undignified, treating another adult as a servant who should be greatful for their breadcrumbs.

Teanbiscuits33 · 25/09/2024 20:22

To not pay her would be such a disgraceful move IMO. I wouldn’t even consider not paying her, and if you did, I’d leave if I was her. Unbelievably harsh.

Mill3nnial · 25/09/2024 20:20

Yes pay her

OnTheBoardwalk · 25/09/2024 20:17

@familylifeishard you’ve done the right thing by paying her

if it had cost you money/holiday entitlement then that might have been different

she's been with you and your 3 children for a time now, I’d buy her some flowers/chocs

Perplexed20 · 25/09/2024 20:14

I know you are going to pay her
Maybe you should point out to your dh that goodwill goes two ways.

whynotwhatknot · 25/09/2024 20:11

youre husband is a tight arse poor woman

you said your other dc went there you soun like you like her and shes good at her job

Mnetcurious · 25/09/2024 20:11

I’m with you - it’s two days and you haven’t had to pay for childcare elsewhere or lose income through not working yourself, so pay her out of compassion.

Apart from it being the decent thing to do, she’ll be grateful and more inclined to treat your child better, if your husband needs a more selfish reason.

Scooby2024 · 25/09/2024 20:11

I would pay her for this tbh regardless of what the contract stated x

immigrant002 · 25/09/2024 20:08

familylifeishard · 25/09/2024 17:27

Hi all, first time poster here so would appreciate your thoughts. Our childminders mum died last week so she didn’t work 2 of the 3 days my son goes there. No problem as I kept him at home whilst working. My question is, would you still pay her for those 2 days or let it go due to the bereavement. I feel awkward deducting the fees but DH says that the consequences of being self employed. She told me to take it off the monthly fee but I’d already paid it so don’t know what to do next month?! Thanks for reading and any thoughts you have!

Of course i would pay her ! Your husbands sounds like a dick !

carly2803 · 25/09/2024 20:05

I would pay too!!
your DH is mean!

CoastalCalm · 25/09/2024 19:59

You worked at home so are no worse off and the goodwill generated would personally offset the money for me - your husband sounds heartless

PyongyangKipperbang · 25/09/2024 19:57

Well from a purely humanitarian pov, its the right thing to do.

And from a practical pov, its the sensible thing to do. If you have a last minute meeting out of town (say) and ask her if she can help by having your son an extra day, she is far more likely to yes if she can. Dont pay her and you wont be in the wrong as she told you to deduct it, but she wont go out of her way for you will she?

Cheeseandcrackers40 · 25/09/2024 19:55

I would pay her no question.

Justrestingmyeyes1 · 25/09/2024 19:52

I’m a childminder. My mum died unexpectedly recently. I had 2 weeks off. I let each family know the amount they needed to deduct from the following month’s fees. Out of 6 families, 2 deducted the fees, 2 deducted one week and 2 paid in full. I absolutely did not expect or even hope to be paid so was hugely grateful and appreciative that some did pay me and totally fine with those that didn’t.
I’m sure your childminder will be grateful you have paid her in full.

Sarahslaw · 25/09/2024 19:49

Covid proved that many people don’t pay, but it is morally wrong not to in my opinion. Especially if you weren’t out of pocket because you had to take leave from work.

when covid hit I still paid my child minder and I was the only parent who did. I had a contract with her and didn’t want her children going hungry any more than my own. She actually then said I didn’t need to as she had figured out finances and was ok, but it meant a lot to her that I cared about her too. My child minder went above and beyond for me many times after that. She held a space for my second child even before he was born because she wanted him instead of other children, offers extra days or to help with things like when we’re moving and what’s more I genuinely regard her as a friend.

familylifeishard · 25/09/2024 19:46

thedefinitionofmadness · 25/09/2024 19:04

Of course you must pay her.

Does your contract not cover this?

To be honest, I don’t know! I remember filling out details for the kids but not what was in the contract. (I know!) I have paid her and even though she told me to knock it off, I don’t intend to. I value her too much ……

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niadainud · 25/09/2024 19:44

Pleasegodgotosleep · 25/09/2024 17:31

Your husband is incredibly harsh. If I was a childminder and you penalised over the death of a parent I would give you notice.

I would pay (I don't have a childminder, but when a client cancelled at short notice recently because of a bereavement I didn't charge them) but it's not really a penalty, it's just not paying for a service you didn't receive.