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What is a reasonable consequence for this behaviour?

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Mamabear04 · 25/09/2024 15:45

DP picks DD up from school, she's a month shy of 5 years old. It's cold and she comes out with no jumper or jacket on. DP says she needs to put at least one on for the walk home. DD screams in an all out tantrum, throws bag on the ground, goes to kick the bag but kicks DP hand instead then continues with meltdown. Toddler is screaming now in buggy and DP speaks quietly but firmly, helps her on with jacket and then gets both kids home. DP works from home and has gone back to work (into a meeting). What would you give is a consequence to this behaviour? For context DD was upset about having to put on jacket/jumper but also because DP picked her up and not me (I'm having problems with my asthma and he took a break from work to help me get a rest as I've been looking after our sick toddler all day). I feel so incredibly embarrassed that the whole school saw how she behaved.

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Namechange7364 · 25/09/2024 17:17

Mamabear04 · 25/09/2024 16:34

I don't live in England and the country I live in is much colder atm (below 10°). She has been at school now for around 6 weeks. Whoever picks her up always brings a snack and usually a nice little treat at that. I get that they are tired and emotional but I absolutely think having that level of tantrum is not on. I absolutely believe she is old enough and clever enough to understand that that isn't how she should behave. We talk to her all the time about using her words etc instead of screaming and she knows that we are open to talking about something and letting certain things give if she explains why. She didnt do that though and i absolutely will not stand hitting or kicking. I'd be happy to let her get cold but tbh I don't want another sick child. It's that time of year when all the bugs are brewing and I don't want anything to make us more ill than need be. From a practical point of view I've eneded up in hospital because of the kids viruses that have triggered my asthma and I need to be on form to keep the ship running.

Cold weather doesn't cause illness - viruses do.

category12 · 25/09/2024 17:17

A consequence would have been getting cold from not wearing her coat.

She's just little and tired & cranky from school.

Punishing her after the fact would be ridiculous.

FasterMichelin · 25/09/2024 17:16

Being cold for a short period doesn't make you ill. You get ill, mostly, from infections. From contact with other people. Being chilly on the way home won't make her sick.

I would take something small away, so a teddy (not her favourite) or pudding. Explain that you won't have that again, and then, if she tries it again, you can remind her that she lost something last time and will lose it again if she continues.

fortheveryfirsttime · 25/09/2024 17:16

Ffs sorry...
Have a chat about what big feelings she must have been experiencing to have got so upset and think about how else you could all manage that.

She doesn't need a consequence she's learning how to regulate and manage being upset/sad/hot/tired and expressing that through her behaviour.

Bollihobs · 25/09/2024 17:16

Cosycover · 25/09/2024 16:01

This is completely normal child behaviour.

Can't believe you want to punish this to be honest.

Also pick your battles, let her get cold. That's the consequence of no jacket.

Nowhere, nowhere has the OP said she wants to "punish" her DD 🙄 she asked for suggestions for the "reasonable consequences" for DD's behaviour.

Personally I think her own suggestion that DD says sorry to her dad for shouting and screaming is perfectly fine.

Namechange7364 · 25/09/2024 17:15

Another one for pick your battles.

Nothing bad is going to happen if DD doesn't wear their jumper or coat. And your DP probably would have found that part-way home, DD would have realised she was cold and put it on.

Also, don't forget that outbursts are normal after school for many children. It's called 'restraint collapse' and is the result of being on their best behaviour all day.

fortheveryfirsttime · 25/09/2024 17:14

Notdeckingthehalls · 25/09/2024 15:47

Give her a cuddle, a drink and a snack.

Tell DH not to make her put her coat on. Some times they’re just not from running around.

This. If she's calm have a chat about what big feelings she m

Bluevelvetsofa · 25/09/2024 17:13

Highhland · 25/09/2024 16:12

How is that relevant? The child doesn't get to dictate who collects them.

It’s relevant because, sometimes, children like to know exactly what arrangements are made. If she was expecting mum and dad arrived, she might have been surprised/confused/upset.

There’s also no need to be so rude.

RhiWrites · 25/09/2024 17:11

Mamabear04 · 25/09/2024 15:48

Surely she needs a consequence for that kind of behaviour though? Otherwise she'll think it OK to behave like that again?

Consequences are natural results, eg you don’t wear your coat, you’re cold.

When you say “she needs a consequence” you mean that she needs a punishment but you’re using the word consequence to make it sound as though it isn’t one.

mondayawoos · 25/09/2024 17:05

SoDemure · 25/09/2024 17:03

Sure

Yeah, you can be sure.

Tiswa · 25/09/2024 17:05

AgainandagainandagainSS · 25/09/2024 16:55

Straight home and loss of privileges that evening. And seek an apology. No cuddling until after - if mum cuddles when dad has told off it undermines.

You sound like you have your head acrewed on OP. There’s far too much permissive parenting nowadays.

You would withhold affection - way to go with screwing up a child and making them fee guilty for having emotions.

yes she reacted badly, yes talking to her and getting her to understand why she shouldn’t and why it happened is important

punishing and withholding affection isn’t going to get her emotional responses under control is it

mondayawoos · 25/09/2024 17:05

AgainandagainandagainSS · 25/09/2024 16:55

Straight home and loss of privileges that evening. And seek an apology. No cuddling until after - if mum cuddles when dad has told off it undermines.

You sound like you have your head acrewed on OP. There’s far too much permissive parenting nowadays.

Are you ok? I am seriously worried about people like you.

SoDemure · 25/09/2024 17:03

mondayawoos · 25/09/2024 17:03

I work with small children and in 25 years I have never seen any child that age laugh at another child or friend when they have tantrums. They are usually concerned and wants to know why xx is sad or upset!

Sure

SoDemure · 25/09/2024 17:03

mondayawoos · 25/09/2024 16:59

Yeah, the it's important you do as daddy tells you as he is the grown up is a winner to teach children. 😂

Right, let's assume the OP and her husband are normal people, not criminals.

Wtf is wrong with telling a 5 year old that she has to do as her parents tell her???

It cannot be a controversial approach, surely?

mondayawoos · 25/09/2024 17:03

SoDemure · 25/09/2024 16:56

I said she needs to do as told by her daddy, not any random person.

Her behaviour will be viewed as silly by her peers. They will laugh at her. No point lying to her about it.

I work with small children and in 25 years I have never seen any child that age laugh at another child or friend when they have tantrums. They are usually concerned and wants to know why xx is sad or upset!

mondayawoos · 25/09/2024 17:00

I'd be trying to ask her why she didn't want to jacket on and trying to chat to her about it.

But she said no? No is a full sentence, or is that just on MN.

mondayawoos · 25/09/2024 16:59

Soontobe60 · 25/09/2024 16:57

That’ll sort her out 😂

Yeah, the it's important you do as daddy tells you as he is the grown up is a winner to teach children. 😂

Mary28 · 25/09/2024 16:59

I'd be trying to ask her why she didn't want to jacket on and trying to chat to her about it.
Some kids find the school day hard going and when they get out they need to decompress. Further demands on them might break the camel's back as such.
My son didn't wear a coat for 2 solid years no matter what the weather. He's still very inflexible about it. He does run very hot and would be pumping sweat at a walking pace when I would not be sweating at all.
Part of it is also autonomy and wanting to make decisions for themselves.
I'd be more focused on why she wouldn't do it rather than punishment.

Zahariel · 25/09/2024 16:58

kids are perfectly capable of knowing if they are hot or cold. let them decide. what do you care if they have their jacket on?

DeccaM · 25/09/2024 16:58

No consequence (punishment) needed. Just a brief chat about expected behaviour. Then draw a line under it. She's probably exhausted after being in school for 6 weeks. TBH I wouldn't have insisted she wear a jacket. Let her put the jacket on when she feels cold.

Happyhappyday · 25/09/2024 16:58

Mamabear04 · 25/09/2024 16:34

I don't live in England and the country I live in is much colder atm (below 10°). She has been at school now for around 6 weeks. Whoever picks her up always brings a snack and usually a nice little treat at that. I get that they are tired and emotional but I absolutely think having that level of tantrum is not on. I absolutely believe she is old enough and clever enough to understand that that isn't how she should behave. We talk to her all the time about using her words etc instead of screaming and she knows that we are open to talking about something and letting certain things give if she explains why. She didnt do that though and i absolutely will not stand hitting or kicking. I'd be happy to let her get cold but tbh I don't want another sick child. It's that time of year when all the bugs are brewing and I don't want anything to make us more ill than need be. From a practical point of view I've eneded up in hospital because of the kids viruses that have triggered my asthma and I need to be on form to keep the ship running.

Checking you know that kids don’t get sick from being cold…

Deliberationdivinationdesperation · 25/09/2024 16:57

I think at that age the consequences needs to happen then and there, not afterwards as they won't link the behaviour to the consequence otherwise.

In the this case, the punishment/consequence was that dad put her jacket on her anyway even though she didn't want to so I consider that done and dusted now.

I personally would have just let her go without and the consequences would have been that she potentially got cold and then put the jacket on. Personally putting a coat on isn't something I want to battle about unless its extremely cold so would have just left it off and opted for the natural consequence.

Soontobe60 · 25/09/2024 16:57

SoDemure · 25/09/2024 15:51

Huh?? She didn't do as she was told and threw a tantrum.

I'd say, it's important you do as daddy tells you as he is the grown up. And we won't be engaging in any more of your tantrums. It's up to you if you want to look like a silly baby in front of all your big school friends"

Or something like that

That’ll sort her out 😂

Happyhappyday · 25/09/2024 16:57

Undisclosedlocation · 25/09/2024 15:53

Natural consequences work best in this situation.
refuse to put your coat on = get cold.

in all honesty if someone kept insisting I put in an extra layer because THEY thought it was cold, I’d be pretty frustrated too. Get OH to pick his battles more wisely

This with bells on! Unless it’s pissing it down or below 0, the coat fight is not the hill to die on. Likewise unless she intentionally hits/kicks you regularly in anger, a short (2 sentence) conversation when she’s calmed down is fine. It’s also now way too far in the past in her brain for a consequence to be meaningful.

NamasteTheHellAway · 25/09/2024 16:56

No consequence needed IMO.

Next time, just let her get cold and then she will ask for the coat. Or not, and she'll be cold. It won't do her any lasting damage!