We know all the anti Labour posts are really just about VAT on school fees!

I was wondering too. I can't say I've seen much of that. People worried about pensioners on basic state pension I have seen

Who are they?

Must have missed them

@YouOnlyHateStarmerForVATOnSchoolFees you left out all the mumsnetters over 66 who moan about anyone under 60 getting benefits of any kind but are now aggrieved that they aren't going to get a winter fuel allowance but still know the ins and outs of a ducks arse when it comes to isa limits or pension drawdowns or inheritance planning- there's a fair few of those around .

I think that you need reasonable grounds to monitor accounts for fraud! But the last government proposed it and would have said it was lawful. So I imagine Labour will be pretty confident they could do it.

Practically it could be quite easy to do. If you don’t run your living expenses via your account, this will look suspicious because it suggests cash or another income. Then you get investigated!

Or is it because Starmer is despicable hypocrite: www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-donation-son-gcse-housing-acoommodation-prime-minister-b1183972.html

School days long gone here so I have no skin in the game. I just think Starmer doesn’t have any political nous or is being advised badly. I’ve voted Labour all my adult life and never expected the poorest in our society to be a target for cuts and vile rhetoric.

Given you quote rather than scroll past I'm not going to pay attention to your review on my posts. Why would I? Do you think I find yours nice

I am saying people let the media know how much profit could be made from a good gaffe, you can't complain it's now aimed at Labour.

i don’t think you have any idea. I think you know I’m a labour supporter. I don’t like the dismissive way you make assumptions about people. I’ve seen you d9 it before. You were saying it’s a bit hypocritical to not like media fuss over this when it was ok over Johnson. That’s because the errors are different.

Yes I'm aware of how you feel about Starmer.

The media still love it and all those that joined in before can enjoy it now.

Johnson’s gaffes revealed a lack of care and attention to detail - waffling about irrelevancies like Peppa Pig or not being able to get his speech in order. That’s why I disliked them. They were further evidence of his incompetence.
Starmer’s is not like that. It’s just a slip of the tongue. Ima retired teacher and I know how easy it is even when you know exactly what you are talking about and/or are reading. It’s not a matter of competence.

I’m not involved, in any way, with private schools (couldn’t care less). But Starmer and co are looking as useless as what went before.

But, as I’ve voted for so many year, I didn’t expect them to. They are all the same, and anyone that thinks anything else are deluded. 🙄

I have 4 kids at private school. I voted Labour. I don't really like Keir Starmer though, but I thought overall Labour were the least worst option. The world isn't black and white or binary.

Rachel Reeves had been all aboard the two child cap limit fan train for years on end, she said a hundred times that it wouldn't change.

If the media learn that people love a gaffe headline, which they did when Johnson made them then I can't really care that Labour supporters are up in arms over the same

They were all for it previously presumably as it made power easier to get

I'd get rid of all that stuff if I had a choice, but what's good for one comes back to bite the other

I voted Labour but have never liked Starmer and can't believe his behaviour. I thought he'd get rid off the two child cap and didn't think he'd come after the elderly and disabled. Although I agree with cutting the WHA, it leaves too many struggling.

I must admit to an impulse of horror at the prospect of the state snooping in my bank account. But I also have an impulse of disgust at someone fraudulently obtaining taxpayer money to fund their lifestyle when not entitled. I suppose if it is used when there is other evidence and suspicion, I can just about get on board, but would want reassurances it isn't a thin edge of the wedge.

I have no time for Starmer at all, but it becomes pointless criticising them for every little thing when all politicians, of all colours, can make gaffes like this. It ends up looking churlish.

I understand your feelings on this, did you vote Labour out of interest?

Is the HTH passive aggression? Irrespective of who put it in place, Starmer shouldn't be implementing it.

The tories put the legal framework in place before they left.

HTH

Some people with specific perversions steal other people's underwear.

So by your argument, because some people steal underwear and might store it in their own underwear drawers, the police should rummage through everyone's underwear drawers.

Btw re money and benefits. More benefit money goes unclaimed by people who're entitled - and need it but instead struggle - than is lost to benefit fraud. I'm not saying that benefit fraud is ok but nor is taking away the dignity of the majority of claimants because of the minority who commit fraud.

I don't give a monkeys about school fees. My DC have left school and they all went to state schools anyway. I am, however, being kept entertained by the government's daily PR blunders. It's entirely possible to be exasperated by politicians from all parties at the same time.

Starmer so far according to Everanewbie...

General message - seems to be intent on squaring the public finances as fairly as possible. He recognises problems with the NHS but doesn't seem to be taking the easy option of blaming the tories and chucking money at it, he seems intent on reform and wont be bullied by unions. Of course he has more wriggle room in this department being a red rather than a blue. Cautiously optimistic that he won't rinse middle earners and will instead target those who who get their income from investments. I am slightly concerned that will mean hard working retirees who have saved diligently will be disproportionately targeted by reducing pension allowances/exemptions and increasing CGT at the lower end of the spectrum.

WFA - In theory the right thing to do. We can't, and shouldn't, give state handouts to those who don't need it. But the threshold is cruelly low.

VAT on school fees - atrocious. Vindictive and counter-productive. Will raise peanuts that will be squandered in bureaucracy and designed to get the left wing of his own party on board. Political expediency rather than beneficial real world outcomes.

Scandal - I don't think the clothing and Arsenal stuff is that bad by comparison, but goodness did they attack the Tories at any faint whiff of impropriety so will need to stay squeaky clean to avoid the hypocrite label.

Israel - Seems to be standing up against the loony left on this one, and won't let antisemitism plague the party any more. Good work. But some not so subtle messages that we don't give Israel carte blanche to do what they want without objection.

So I'm never going to agree with everything he does. Indeed I strongly disagree re: VAT on school fees. But I think he's made a strong start and seems to have some good ideas. But I don't hate him. All in all I quite like him and think he'll be good for the country if he can ward off the left wing of his party.

‘Dined out’? Really?
I remember laughing about Johnson waffling on about Peppa Pig and losing his place in a speech, but that’s a bit different from the sort of momentary lapse of concentration/coordination which leads to saying the wrong word.
What exactly do you think it says about Starmer’s abilities?

I'm more worried about my Mam who has lost her winter fuel allowance and is too proud to let me help her. Fortunately she won't be one of the pensioners at risk of dying as a result - as is the real fear of a raft of charities who help vulnerable pensioners just outside the threshold of pension credit. So glad the nasty party aren't in charge anymore 🤔