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We know all the anti Labour posts are really just about VAT on school fees!

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YouOnlyHateStarmerForVATOnSchoolFees · 25/09/2024 12:24

Day in day out whining about Labour and looking for any reason to moan about Starmer, I’m honestly expecting to see a “Starmer ate my dog” post soon! 🙄

We all know you’re just upset as you’ll be charged VAT on little Arabella’s school fees!

So my AIBU…

YABU - It is not just the school fees, honest! I preferred ‘honest Boris’ and ‘man of the people’ Rishi. Or that lovely Liz, we were so much safer with them!

YANBU - The posts are so blatantly motivated by the VAT on school fees that it has becoming utterly boring. Jog on ‘disgusted of Hampstead’ and join the local comp!

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ACynicalDad · 28/02/2025 13:59

Fingersandtoedcrossedxxx · 28/02/2025 10:23

No envy, my child goes to private school and we just pay the VAT without complaining…why do you believe you deserve a tax break? Entitled

I don't send my kids to private school.

HermioneWeasley · 28/02/2025 10:32

My kids go to the local comp.

I am angry with Labour for tanking the economy - taxing jobs is a route to recession not growth. In the meantime they have already spent over £1bn on consultants while in power and totally failed to curb waste including pointless and expensive diversity jobs, and are now spending nearly £11m on a trial of puberty blockers in kids. They are completely oblivious to growing racial tensions and seem hell bent on pushing a definition of “islamophobia” on an already restless population despite the fact that child rape gangs were able to flourish for fear of people being labelled as racist or Islamophobic. Every choice they make is the wrong one.

the tories were incompetent, Labour are also incompetent.

Fingersandtoedcrossedxxx · 28/02/2025 10:23

ACynicalDad · 28/01/2025 19:10

At huge financial cost and disruption to our lives so that the politics of envy can spite people. It's looking like it will cost them more than they will make, but they don't care, it's just spiteful, with school fees, with farmers, with nondoms that employ people. It's going to be a mess in five years time.

No envy, my child goes to private school and we just pay the VAT without complaining…why do you believe you deserve a tax break? Entitled

cardibach · 27/02/2025 20:46

yellowspanner · 27/02/2025 20:17

I have no kids. I still think Starmer is self serving. Angela from housing is thick and Rachel from accounts lied about her CV

Does being misogynist and classist give you a buzz? How sad.

Arrivals4lucky · 27/02/2025 20:44

hazelnutvanillalatte · 28/01/2025 19:31

What a stupid post. Lots of 'Little Arabella's won't be able to go to private school now, and their parents will instead take up more space at good state schools and increase property prices near them, ensuring poorer children now have even less access to a good education.

ETA I personally know three families who were planning on private secondary for their kids but are now going state - two of whom are moving next to the school.

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Which is fine. Off they pop to state school. Like most people.

Arrivals4lucky · 27/02/2025 20:42

agree OP, the ‘we’re just hardworking, striving parents making sacrifices to prioritise our kids education ‘ Anti VAT posters weirdly enough weren’t getting much sympathy over losing their tax breaks so they diversified…

yellowspanner · 27/02/2025 20:17

I have no kids. I still think Starmer is self serving. Angela from housing is thick and Rachel from accounts lied about her CV

hazelnutvanillalatte · 28/01/2025 19:31

What a stupid post. Lots of 'Little Arabella's won't be able to go to private school now, and their parents will instead take up more space at good state schools and increase property prices near them, ensuring poorer children now have even less access to a good education.

ETA I personally know three families who were planning on private secondary for their kids but are now going state - two of whom are moving next to the school.

ACynicalDad · 28/01/2025 19:10

Fingersandtoedcrossedxxx · 28/01/2025 18:42

Then move house

At huge financial cost and disruption to our lives so that the politics of envy can spite people. It's looking like it will cost them more than they will make, but they don't care, it's just spiteful, with school fees, with farmers, with nondoms that employ people. It's going to be a mess in five years time.

Fingersandtoedcrossedxxx · 28/01/2025 18:42

ACynicalDad · 25/09/2024 12:42

My kids won't go private but we're edge of catchment and the alternatives are awful, so I'll be really pissed off if they don't get spaces. That said I thought he started OK, but having been very sanctimonious about the last government the relationship with Lord Ali and grabbing everything he can for him and his family if not a good look. The amount they are paying to settle the pay disputes is OTT and then taking money from pensioners to do so is just dumb. The Tories deserved to go, but having thought he would get 2 or even 3 terms I wonder if he may not.

Then move house

aliceinanwonderland · 29/09/2024 23:44

Meadowfinch · 25/09/2024 13:17

If a pensioner has an income of £218.50 weekly, they can't get pension credit.

So let's think about that. £25 council tax, £40 food, £25 insurances £10 water, £10 TV, phone, broadband, £15 clothing, £20 household wear and tear, £40 heat and light.

It's very very tight. All it will take is a cold snap, and millions of pensioners will be in trouble. And Labour knows that.

The unions aren't happy. Many party members aren't happy. If it goes wrong, I forecast Starmer will be ousted by April - when the winter mortality figures are published.

PLUS Elderly people often are too weak or frail to do heavy housework eg hoovering/cleaning bathrooms etc on their own so need a cleaner. They cannot cut their own toe nails so have to get them done professionally, their arms are too weak to shampoo and dry their hair so they go to a hairdresser. This all mounts up. It's not a luxury...it's a necessity.
PLUS elderly people feel the cold FAR more than younger people do

Whenwillitgetwarm · 29/09/2024 23:42

Starmer and Reeves are terrible at politics and either have poor advisors or refuse to listen.

I am 100% against any meddling with taxes on education. It can’t have been properly impact assessed and comes across as a culture war policy.

WFA cut to richest makes sense. But it was poorly communicated. Instead of everyone hearing all pensions will go up £400 due to triple lock, but the richest will lose £200 of that which is WFA = everyone up £200 minimum, we heard £200 removed only. They deserve the slagging they’re getting on this.

I’m very worried about the budget. Reeves comes across as booksmart but ideological and slightly vindictive.

goodluckbinbin · 29/09/2024 23:07

jeaux90 · 29/09/2024 12:04

It's a massive own goal though. What I am seeing is Private schools cutting back on scholarships for kids whose parents can't afford private school. They are looking at cutting charitable bursaries etc to control fees.

I have DD15 who has ADHD and ASD in private school as the local state is a shitshow for SEN

I agree, private schools cutting back on bursaries IS a massive own goal - the next thing to go will be their charity status.
No-one outside of the private school anti-VAR bubble really believes that private schools have any real benefit to communities, any real charity status or any interest outside of their own.
Why should they? They’re business that cater to the well off - which is fine, do that. Just don’t pretend to be anything else.

cardibach · 29/09/2024 12:29

Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 29/09/2024 11:59

The consequences are of no relevance. This is a man who repeatedly claimed he had 'honesty' and 'integrity' and yet there are now have countless instances where he has been found to have acted without both. The loyalty from some Labour supporters is admirable but doesn't change the fact that his reputation is damaged beyond repair in the eyes of the British public.

I agree it’s an own goal. I don’t think it says quite as much about honesty and integrity as you obviously do, but I can understand your feelings. It’s not really loyalty - I’ll call them out when I don’t like what they are doing - more that I think it’s been whipped up into more of an issue than it really is.

DadJoke · 29/09/2024 12:17

jeaux90 · 29/09/2024 12:04

It's a massive own goal though. What I am seeing is Private schools cutting back on scholarships for kids whose parents can't afford private school. They are looking at cutting charitable bursaries etc to control fees.

I have DD15 who has ADHD and ASD in private school as the local state is a shitshow for SEN

Only 1% of bursaries are fully funded. Private schools charitable works are crumbs on the table.

jeaux90 · 29/09/2024 12:04

It's a massive own goal though. What I am seeing is Private schools cutting back on scholarships for kids whose parents can't afford private school. They are looking at cutting charitable bursaries etc to control fees.

I have DD15 who has ADHD and ASD in private school as the local state is a shitshow for SEN

Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 29/09/2024 11:59

cardibach · 29/09/2024 11:52

In terms of who is funding politicians it isn’t. That’s all I really care about. Though as I said he should receive whatever the consequence is for repeated error, deliberate or otherwise.

The consequences are of no relevance. This is a man who repeatedly claimed he had 'honesty' and 'integrity' and yet there are now have countless instances where he has been found to have acted without both. The loyalty from some Labour supporters is admirable but doesn't change the fact that his reputation is damaged beyond repair in the eyes of the British public.

cardibach · 29/09/2024 11:52

Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 29/09/2024 11:51

Of course funding transparency is affected by wrongly categorising a donation.

In terms of who is funding politicians it isn’t. That’s all I really care about. Though as I said he should receive whatever the consequence is for repeated error, deliberate or otherwise.

Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 29/09/2024 11:51

cardibach · 29/09/2024 11:49

he Should declare things as what they are. Happy for any censure or fine or whatever for things which were deliberate rather than errors. Let’s not forget, though, that he did declare the sum and the donor. Funding transparency isn’t really affected. If the donor gets unfair advantage, we can all see the links and take action.

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Of course funding transparency is affected by wrongly categorising a donation.

cardibach · 29/09/2024 11:49

Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 29/09/2024 11:44

Mis-categorising yet another donation for clothing as 'funding for his private office' will be viewed extremely harshly by the British public. If you recall, Starmer was found guilty of breaking the MPs’ code of conduct regarding registering interests in 2022 and insisted his office processes had been reviewed at the time. He can't keep rolling out the 'oversight' excuse time and again without being held accountable at some point.

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he Should declare things as what they are. Happy for any censure or fine or whatever for things which were deliberate rather than errors. Let’s not forget, though, that he did declare the sum and the donor. Funding transparency isn’t really affected. If the donor gets unfair advantage, we can all see the links and take action.

Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 29/09/2024 11:44

cardibach · 27/09/2024 12:08

I’m all those things, including being disappointed about some of the gifts. It’s not a -gate of any sort though. No impropriety. No corruption. Rules all followed.

Mis-categorising yet another donation for clothing as 'funding for his private office' will be viewed extremely harshly by the British public. If you recall, Starmer was found guilty of breaking the MPs’ code of conduct regarding registering interests in 2022 and insisted his office processes had been reviewed at the time. He can't keep rolling out the 'oversight' excuse time and again without being held accountable at some point.

Grammarnut · 28/09/2024 13:57

Doowahdiddydiddydumtittydoo · 26/09/2024 03:29

There are people so rabidly supportive of their Labour tribe that, as far as they're concerned, Starmer could call a news conference in order to announce he enjoys drowning kittens and turning their meat into sausages and still be admired as the best thing going.

They'd be on here, claiming it's not a big deal, can't the poor overworked man be allowed to relieve his stress in peace. Besides, there are too many kittens about and he'd just been helping to keep the population under control. Also, drowning kittens sounds like so much fun and he has helped launch a multimillion pound industry selling kitten sausages which will boost tax revenues like the tories never did nor ever could.

This kind of tribal loyalty, where one can see nothing Dear Leader does as wrong, has historically lead to some very dark places.

Also, just because various tories are sleazy wankers doesn't obsolve Labour party members of sleaze when doing the same shitty things. If you claim to be better than XYZ, don't copy XYZ's behaviour as soon as the opportunity arises. Hypocrisy isn't a good look.

Starmer isn't Labour in the way that I knew as a young socialist. He's a centrist-ish social democrat - which is fine, but not socialist.

Grammarnut · 27/09/2024 13:32

I am worried what they intend for the NHS. Blair did a lot of sly privatization and carried on with PFIs, which are now costing the NHS millions, just to keep the cost of new hospitals off the books for Mr Brown.
As balance, I think there are Tories who really hate the NHS and that everyone is entitled to health care at need - they are on the far right of the party and mostly forget that their voters are also dependent on the NHS.
Also forgot, Blair was a Tory.

Sartre · 27/09/2024 12:13

I don’t care about it, my DC are in state schools. I still dislike Starmer and his version of the Labour Party. I don’t agree with cutting the winter fuel allowance and I think he should have axed the two child benefit rule straight away. I don’t think going after the poorest and most vulnerable in society is ever the way to go and I don’t think it’s what the Labour Party has ever been about. Many pensioners don’t meet the threshold for pension credit or don’t know how to apply for it if they do.

cardibach · 27/09/2024 12:08

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 27/09/2024 08:50

Nope. I'm a state school educated state school teacher whose dc went to state school, I voted for Labour and I'm very unimpressed with freebie-gate.

I’m all those things, including being disappointed about some of the gifts. It’s not a -gate of any sort though. No impropriety. No corruption. Rules all followed.

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