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The Irony.. PM's donation was for ‘son to study for GCSEs’

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JustSpeechless · 25/09/2024 08:42

PM suggests £20,000 donation was for ‘son to study for GCSEs’ | The Independent

Sorry if there are other threads, but I did search and nothing came up.

“My boy, 16, was in the middle of his GCSEs. I made him a promise, a promise that he would be able to get to his school, do his exams, without being disturbed,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

“But if you’re a 16-year-old trying to do your GCSEs and it’s your one chance in life – I promised him we would move somewhere, get out of the house and go somewhere where he could be peacefully studying.

So its OK for the PM to be worried about his child's "one chance" GCSE year being disturbed ...but he's not so worried about other people's children feeling stressed during their GCSEs by introducing the private school VAT during an academic school year.

I don't have a child in private school doing their GCSEs. And I know that there are lots of people who support the VAT and those who don't.

But I think there is a midline where lots of people on both sides of the fence agree making this change during an academic year is not fair on the kids in key exam years...and I am one of them because not all parents have a Lord Alli to step in to ensure their child's "one chance" GCSE year is not being disturbed.

For Voting:

Unreasonable - I am with Keir and I am not really bothered with other people's children's "one chance" school year being interrupted.

Not Unreasonable - I agree Labour should not interrupt the academic school year and introduce the VAT in September 2025.

PM suggests £20,000 donation was for ‘son to study for GCSEs’

The Prime Minister signalled he could continue to accept hospitality gifts from donors.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/keir-starmer-prime-minister-gcses-mps-government-b2618505.html

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JustSpeechless · 27/09/2024 19:07

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 17:42

There are plenty of videos and pictures with a very simple search that show this.

But if you'd be happy for your child to be subjected to that during exam period that's down to you. Remember, Starmer didn't set the date of the general election.

Stammer didn't set the date of the election - but he knew the date was a possibility so he should have planned for it just like he expected private school parents to plan for the possibility Labour might have won.
His 'boy' could have gone to the library like other children do. All high schools have libraries. Stammer is also very wealthy and he could have paid for an Airbnb if he wanted to.
Plus you have forgotten they were using the penthouse well past the date of the final GCSE exams so its misleading of him saying it was for these only.

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JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 17:42

EasternStandard · 27/09/2024 17:14

Why would journos be camping outside a house when Starmer was doing press events during the campaign?

He would have been all over the country doing those, giving full access to press

The dates don't even match up. It was just a lie

There are plenty of videos and pictures with a very simple search that show this.

But if you'd be happy for your child to be subjected to that during exam period that's down to you. Remember, Starmer didn't set the date of the general election.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2024 17:14

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 16:47

What £20k donation?? There was no £20k donation.

He was offered the use of a friend's flat, which on the open market would have cost £20k. This was during the election campaign period where the press and protesting idiots caused mayhem and a lot of noise outside of their house. There was no peace, and to leave the house his son would have had to pass through this rabble.

I don't believe ANYONE that wouldn't have done the same for their child.

Why would journos be camping outside a house when Starmer was doing press events during the campaign?

He would have been all over the country doing those, giving full access to press

The dates don't even match up. It was just a lie

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 16:47

What £20k donation?? There was no £20k donation.

He was offered the use of a friend's flat, which on the open market would have cost £20k. This was during the election campaign period where the press and protesting idiots caused mayhem and a lot of noise outside of their house. There was no peace, and to leave the house his son would have had to pass through this rabble.

I don't believe ANYONE that wouldn't have done the same for their child.

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2024 11:38

That's because you're misremembering the thread. The OP did not see two guys stealing ducks and putting them in bags, she saw two guys feeding ducks.

Later in the thread it is revealed that they are definitely not there to steal ducks and the OP was wrong to suspect this.

ColdrainJune · 27/09/2024 11:30

@Butterflyfern it’s interesting isn’t it? I noticed a couple of months ago a thread about someone walking their dog early hours in a park and them seeing two guys stealing ducks from the lake, putting them in bags, and should they have called the police, and then weeks later Trump starts the they’re eating cats and dogs in Springfield, which I hear, stemmed from a JD Vance tale about duck smuggling. It seemed too random and too weird a story for it to crop up separately and not to be related.

Rhayader · 27/09/2024 11:01

Katypp · 27/09/2024 10:58

I think that's pretty much it in a nutshell

I hope they learn their lesson and clean up a bit - it’s not too late to turn this around.

It’s much harder to implement policies that will cost the people who are paying for your lifestyle even if it’s just subjective and not an objective bribe.

Katypp · 27/09/2024 10:58

Rhayader · 27/09/2024 10:13

They are both as bad as each other.

I think there are a few people upset because they thought that there would be less of this kind of thing under Labour.

I think that's pretty much it in a nutshell

Rhayader · 27/09/2024 10:13

Stolengoat · 27/09/2024 07:51

I didn't see you complaining about the threads about the Torys, are you just blinkered?

They are both as bad as each other.

I think there are a few people upset because they thought that there would be less of this kind of thing under Labour.

Stolengoat · 27/09/2024 07:51

Butterflyfern · 25/09/2024 09:11

Why are there constant threads on here ATM trying to paint the Keir as Boris Johnson?

Is it disgruntled Tory voters sulking or something more organised by a Comms team linked somehow to Tory Party support?

I didn't see you complaining about the threads about the Torys, are you just blinkered?

EasternStandard · 27/09/2024 07:07

Coruscations · 27/09/2024 00:00

Why on earth is the kid being 'stalked'?

You'd have to ask the journos concerned. Maybe a little matter of his father standing for election and being slated to be the next Prime Minister?

How on earth are people buying this line. What public interest is there for a GSCE kid

Journos wouldn't even be camping outside Keir's door, they'd be following the campaign trail and turning up to scheduled events. Keir was hardly in hiding, he was trying to get all the PR he could, hence journos having no issue getting access

The dates don't even match up with the lie about needing quiet for 'his boy'

Fatbottomgardener · 27/09/2024 00:30

Arsenal fans have the measure of ‘two tier Kier’.

Coruscations · 27/09/2024 00:00

Why on earth is the kid being 'stalked'?

You'd have to ask the journos concerned. Maybe a little matter of his father standing for election and being slated to be the next Prime Minister?

Coruscations · 26/09/2024 23:58

Bollihobs · 26/09/2024 22:15

Well, colour me amazed that the Telegraph got it wrong.

Jokingnotjoking · 26/09/2024 22:26

Unbelievable. Another blow to his popularity. Another stripe for Two Tier Keir. Another farcical pop at people who’ve striven to make private schooling a possibility.

Bollihobs · 26/09/2024 22:15

BIossomtoes · 25/09/2024 14:50

They didn’t. That figure is over five years. 🤷‍♀️

Better tell the journos at The Telegraph then - 🤷‍♀️

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/21/cabinet-more-than-800000-donations-freebies-this-year/

PetuniaT · 26/09/2024 21:28

SnapdragonToadflax · 25/09/2024 08:58

It's a false equivalence.

All this ridiculous media coverage about donations to Labour, when the Tory government was infamous for its beneficial agreements with rich people. I mean, come on... have people forgotten Boris Johnson existed? The man lives his entire life funded by other people.

The whole point that everyone is making about Labour MPs and the Prime Minister having their snouts in the trough is the hypocrisy of it all.

EasternStandard · 26/09/2024 21:28

Garlictest · 26/09/2024 21:10

I'm failing to see the equivalence between a kid who's being stalked by paparazzi, having to barge through a mob of yelling adults every time he goes in or out of the family home, and another kid of the same age who goes about his day in peace but whose parents are upset about paying tax.

Why on earth is the kid being 'stalked'?

Is Starmer not turning up to press events to actually talk to invited journalists or does he hide away at home and only get door stopped

The dates don't even match up. Why people are buying this rubbish

GripeOfTheDay · 26/09/2024 21:19

maddening · 26/09/2024 19:23

And Keir wasn't backward in coming forward to criticise him - if.you set yourself up as virtuous and full of integrity- whilst questioning the integrity of others - then you fucking pay for your own clothes, any other material goods and your own child's schooling - and to have done this whilst taking from people on the basis that they have some sort of level of perceived privilege (through increased taxes and removed benefits) - then he is no better than Boris.

Love this.

Well said...

Garlictest · 26/09/2024 21:10

I'm failing to see the equivalence between a kid who's being stalked by paparazzi, having to barge through a mob of yelling adults every time he goes in or out of the family home, and another kid of the same age who goes about his day in peace but whose parents are upset about paying tax.

WindsurfingDreams · 26/09/2024 20:40

joolsella · 26/09/2024 20:03

So your kid is about to enter year 11 and you don't want to move them to state school foe their GCSEs and you're already paying £25k a year in fees

Really? You cant find the extra five grand?

Nobody believes this

Exactly. It's nonsense (and I say that as a parent with children at private school)

Trishthedish · 26/09/2024 20:32

TealTraybake · 25/09/2024 09:27

Would all those parents carping about being happy with the VAT on education, be happy to increase their taxes to improve all state schools. No. Thought not.

But don’t you get that parents that pay for private education still pay for state education. So if they leave private education to join state schools, there isn’t going to be any more money, just more over crowding. IMO the whole vat thing is mad.

Katypp · 26/09/2024 20:30

Alectoishome · 26/09/2024 20:15

Exactly, every single day around the GE it was constant gleeful comments of 'I'm so relieved to have grown ups running the country again.'
Pretty galling to have to listen to for those of us who were fairly sure it would simply be the changing of the guard in terms of the old, bloated snouts in the trough being swapped for new snouts, with fresh and eager appetites.

Oh yes, the celebrations of the new Messiah the day after the election. I especially remember one eager poster posting picture after picture of Starmer at that conference with her own spin on every one, but the basic interpretation was that the whole of Europe was falling at Starmer's feet and were glad the 'grown-ups were in charge.
It was a bit weird tbh, but amusing at the same time

GripeOfTheDay · 26/09/2024 20:25

joolsella · 26/09/2024 20:20

He didn't accept a £20k donation

He has declared the use of a flat

Nowt to do with rich people having to swap schools because they can't scrape a few grand on a credit card

Try not to be so literal in your interpretations . There is no such thing as a free lunch.

So free use of a flat wi come at a price further down the line.... wonder what that favour will be.

DinosaurMunch · 26/09/2024 20:22

Labour voter here and disagree with the existence of private schools.
I think the Vat should have applied from next September and initially only at year 9 and under, going up to the later years in time.
I also think politicians should not be allowed to accept any gifts. I work in a university, we can't accept gifts of over £50. Below £50 we have to declare unless it's a token box of heroes or similar. This is because of bribery. Surely it matters far more if politicians get bribed. It should be the same rule for everyone