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The Irony.. PM's donation was for ‘son to study for GCSEs’

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JustSpeechless · 25/09/2024 08:42

PM suggests £20,000 donation was for ‘son to study for GCSEs’ | The Independent

Sorry if there are other threads, but I did search and nothing came up.

“My boy, 16, was in the middle of his GCSEs. I made him a promise, a promise that he would be able to get to his school, do his exams, without being disturbed,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

“But if you’re a 16-year-old trying to do your GCSEs and it’s your one chance in life – I promised him we would move somewhere, get out of the house and go somewhere where he could be peacefully studying.

So its OK for the PM to be worried about his child's "one chance" GCSE year being disturbed ...but he's not so worried about other people's children feeling stressed during their GCSEs by introducing the private school VAT during an academic school year.

I don't have a child in private school doing their GCSEs. And I know that there are lots of people who support the VAT and those who don't.

But I think there is a midline where lots of people on both sides of the fence agree making this change during an academic year is not fair on the kids in key exam years...and I am one of them because not all parents have a Lord Alli to step in to ensure their child's "one chance" GCSE year is not being disturbed.

For Voting:

Unreasonable - I am with Keir and I am not really bothered with other people's children's "one chance" school year being interrupted.

Not Unreasonable - I agree Labour should not interrupt the academic school year and introduce the VAT in September 2025.

PM suggests £20,000 donation was for ‘son to study for GCSEs’

The Prime Minister signalled he could continue to accept hospitality gifts from donors.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/keir-starmer-prime-minister-gcses-mps-government-b2618505.html

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beguilingeyes · 28/09/2024 10:14

Nobody complained (the media) when (Lord) Cameron is swanning about in private jets at our expense, or we're paying for Sunak's helicopters.
This all has a whiff of, it's all right for the Tories, they're our betters, but these Labour Party chaps need to know their place.

Clavinova · 28/09/2024 09:49

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 22:32

There was no need to use before the general election was announced on 22nd May, or before parliament was dissolved on 30th May. It seems that when the pressure became too much, they found a solution to it. And stayed hidden away after that as it was working for them.

He didn't hide it. It's been declared. He didn't need to give a reason, but he chose to.

Starmer and Sunak kicked off their election campaigns 23rd May and parliament was prorogued 24th May. The 'shoe protest' outside his house in your link was 9th April.

Rhayader · 28/09/2024 07:09

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 22:32

There was no need to use before the general election was announced on 22nd May, or before parliament was dissolved on 30th May. It seems that when the pressure became too much, they found a solution to it. And stayed hidden away after that as it was working for them.

He didn't hide it. It's been declared. He didn't need to give a reason, but he chose to.

He didn’t declare it when he used it in 2021 for a Covid recording, or when he used it to publish a message after the Queen died in 2022. It’s the same desk/shelves (even with photos of his kids, so either he wants us to think it’s his house or he was using it pretty long term).

They stayed a month after the last exam…. There was a different use.

friendlycat · 28/09/2024 00:33

This in spades. You can’t go round lambasting people for something that you are then going to happily do yourselves. It’s just utter hypocrisy.

So when in opposition you carp on about donations that the governing body have taken, now you are the governing body presumably you abstain from accepting the type of donations that you previously objected to.

But no. You take them. And you try and defend them. It’s just contemptible and ruins any credibility you might think you have. Especially at a time of telling the nation that the balance sheet is bad and that there’s pain to come.

But beyond all of that, it just shows such a lack of judgement.

GrannyRose15 · 28/09/2024 00:22

SnapdragonToadflax · 25/09/2024 08:58

It's a false equivalence.

All this ridiculous media coverage about donations to Labour, when the Tory government was infamous for its beneficial agreements with rich people. I mean, come on... have people forgotten Boris Johnson existed? The man lives his entire life funded by other people.

But isn’t that the point? Labour made a terrible fuss about Tories receiving gifts and helping out their mates and yet they are now doing the same. It’s the hypocrisy that stinks more than the acceptance of gifts.

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2024 23:50

That sounds like bollocks.

Maurepas · 27/09/2024 23:36

Trying to see what son's results were - can find only one report which is saying he did badly and failed most things - a lot of 1 s and will retake. Both his parents are very intelligent so disappointing after all the fuss.

Labraradabrador · 27/09/2024 22:39

Ok, but as others have posted he could have sorted a solution on his own? And why did they stay in the flat beyond GCSEs if that was the real rationale?

regardless of whether he was in power at the time or not, accepting favours of any stripe raise conflict of interest concerns.

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 22:32

Labraradabrador · 27/09/2024 22:22

I honestly have no idea, please expound.

There was no need to use before the general election was announced on 22nd May, or before parliament was dissolved on 30th May. It seems that when the pressure became too much, they found a solution to it. And stayed hidden away after that as it was working for them.

He didn't hide it. It's been declared. He didn't need to give a reason, but he chose to.

Labraradabrador · 27/09/2024 22:22

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 20:52

Try and work it out.

I honestly have no idea, please expound.

CreateUserNames · 27/09/2024 21:11

Yeah he’s pretty disgusting 🤮

EasternStandard · 27/09/2024 21:09

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 20:57

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx77ljll077o

As I'm in a rush. I had this to hand as one example of protests. But a quick Google will find plenty for you

That isn't journos camping outside his house

It was a trio who were then arrested as a once off.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 27/09/2024 21:01

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 20:52

Try and work it out.

If I work it out, it corresponds with the electoral and early post-electoral period. On just the dates I'd have assumed it was campaign HQ or similar.

Clavinova · 27/09/2024 21:01

Clavinova · 27/09/2024 20:26

Peer gave Keir Starmer more clothes worth £16,000, declared as money for private office.

Exclusive: Donations worth £10,000 in October 2023 and £6,000 in February 2024 bring gifted clothes total to £32,000.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/27/peer-gave-keir-starmer-more-clothes-worth-16000-declared-as-money-for-private-office

Last week, Sir Keir told the BBC he had accepted the donation for clothing in opposition, during a "busy election campaign".

Does he have an excuse for accepting the newly revealed donations for clothing in October and February?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdd4z9vzdnno

Superhansrantowindsor · 27/09/2024 20:58

So disappointing to see Kier is just like all the others. I naively thought he’d be different. He’s lied about this.

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 20:57

EasternStandard · 27/09/2024 19:12

Can you link to these journos camping outside Starmer's house btw

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx77ljll077o

As I'm in a rush. I had this to hand as one example of protests. But a quick Google will find plenty for you

Sir Keir and Victoria Starmer

Trio guilty over pro-Palestine protest at Sir Keir Starmer's home

Three pro-Palestinian activists appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court over the protest.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx77ljll077o

EasternStandard · 27/09/2024 20:53

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 20:52

Try and work it out.

Your replies are about as clear as Keir's lies

I get why but it's not really helping him

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 20:53

EasternStandard · 27/09/2024 19:12

Can you link to these journos camping outside Starmer's house btw

Hahaha. Are you claiming there weren't journalists and protests outside Starmers house??? Seriously?

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 20:52

EasternStandard · 27/09/2024 19:10

The exam dates don't align, have you even looked?

Try and work it out.

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 20:51

JustSpeechless · 27/09/2024 19:07

Stammer didn't set the date of the election - but he knew the date was a possibility so he should have planned for it just like he expected private school parents to plan for the possibility Labour might have won.
His 'boy' could have gone to the library like other children do. All high schools have libraries. Stammer is also very wealthy and he could have paid for an Airbnb if he wanted to.
Plus you have forgotten they were using the penthouse well past the date of the final GCSE exams so its misleading of him saying it was for these only.

You'll have noticed I mentioned about how leaving / returning to the house was bedlam. And do you think he wouldn't have faced hassle in the library?? On the streets?
Try and work out why the dates are what they are... I'll leave you to that.

And he DID plan around it. He used a friend's house. Like a lot of use would. And he declared it, didn't keep it a secret or try and cover it up. No money exchanged hands about it.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2024 20:27

Clavinova · 27/09/2024 20:19

EasternStandard
Why would journos be camping outside a house when Starmer was doing press events during the campaign?
He would have been all over the country doing those, giving full access to press

Indeed -

He was in Worcester 29th May;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0j1117b

Wales 29th/30th May;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3gg748j3e5o

Scotland 31st May - arriving by private jet!

Sir Keir Starmer has defended his decision to fly by private jet between Wales and Scotland to announce energy plans, saying it was the most “efficient” way to travel between campaign events.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2024-05-31/labour-leader-sir-keir-starmer-defends-taking-private-jet-from-wales-to-scotland

The North West of England 3rd June;
https://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/24361221.keir-starmer-say-changed-labour-now-party-national-security/

Normandy, France 6th June;
https://news.sky.com/story/royals-and-world-leaders-join-veterans-in-normandy-to-mark-80th-anniversary-of-d-day-13148559

Thanks Clav Good searching

What an odd thing to lie about

He clearly uses the flat whenever since there are earlier videos, nothing to do with 'his boy'

Clavinova · 27/09/2024 20:19

EasternStandard
Why would journos be camping outside a house when Starmer was doing press events during the campaign?
He would have been all over the country doing those, giving full access to press

Indeed -

He was in Worcester 29th May;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0j1117b

Wales 29th/30th May;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3gg748j3e5o

Scotland 31st May - arriving by private jet!

Sir Keir Starmer has defended his decision to fly by private jet between Wales and Scotland to announce energy plans, saying it was the most “efficient” way to travel between campaign events.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2024-05-31/labour-leader-sir-keir-starmer-defends-taking-private-jet-from-wales-to-scotland

The North West of England 3rd June;
https://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/24361221.keir-starmer-say-changed-labour-now-party-national-security/

Normandy, France 6th June;
https://news.sky.com/story/royals-and-world-leaders-join-veterans-in-normandy-to-mark-80th-anniversary-of-d-day-13148559

EasternStandard · 27/09/2024 19:12

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 17:42

There are plenty of videos and pictures with a very simple search that show this.

But if you'd be happy for your child to be subjected to that during exam period that's down to you. Remember, Starmer didn't set the date of the general election.

Can you link to these journos camping outside Starmer's house btw

EasternStandard · 27/09/2024 19:10

JusteanBiscuits · 27/09/2024 17:42

There are plenty of videos and pictures with a very simple search that show this.

But if you'd be happy for your child to be subjected to that during exam period that's down to you. Remember, Starmer didn't set the date of the general election.

The exam dates don't align, have you even looked?