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The Irony.. PM's donation was for ‘son to study for GCSEs’

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JustSpeechless · 25/09/2024 08:42

PM suggests £20,000 donation was for ‘son to study for GCSEs’ | The Independent

Sorry if there are other threads, but I did search and nothing came up.

“My boy, 16, was in the middle of his GCSEs. I made him a promise, a promise that he would be able to get to his school, do his exams, without being disturbed,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

“But if you’re a 16-year-old trying to do your GCSEs and it’s your one chance in life – I promised him we would move somewhere, get out of the house and go somewhere where he could be peacefully studying.

So its OK for the PM to be worried about his child's "one chance" GCSE year being disturbed ...but he's not so worried about other people's children feeling stressed during their GCSEs by introducing the private school VAT during an academic school year.

I don't have a child in private school doing their GCSEs. And I know that there are lots of people who support the VAT and those who don't.

But I think there is a midline where lots of people on both sides of the fence agree making this change during an academic year is not fair on the kids in key exam years...and I am one of them because not all parents have a Lord Alli to step in to ensure their child's "one chance" GCSE year is not being disturbed.

For Voting:

Unreasonable - I am with Keir and I am not really bothered with other people's children's "one chance" school year being interrupted.

Not Unreasonable - I agree Labour should not interrupt the academic school year and introduce the VAT in September 2025.

PM suggests £20,000 donation was for ‘son to study for GCSEs’

The Prime Minister signalled he could continue to accept hospitality gifts from donors.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/keir-starmer-prime-minister-gcses-mps-government-b2618505.html

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Daltonbear1 · 25/09/2024 11:38

I am working class i begrudge him nothing tell me reform voters you happy with Nigel who has made it so no kne can throw him out of reform takes a shot load of money from TV while he won't meet his own constituents but nah its all labour this and labour that it's almost like uts a right wing coup

Coruscations · 25/09/2024 11:38

user593 · 25/09/2024 10:13

@godmum56 Someone I know who used to work with him very many years ago said he was smug and stupid. They told me this before he was elected, but it does seem to now be playing out that way.

On the other hand, loads of people who have worked with him have said he is neither, and indeed that he was very kind, going out of his way to help juniors and others. I suspect your contact had their own agenda.

Daltonbear1 · 25/09/2024 11:36

What about what about what about schools with raac i hear you cry? Well why didn't the fucking shit tories do fuck all and he wasn't a pm then. But the vat on posh schools may help towards shit schools hey thought about that and all you right wing reform tory twats that want lower taxes think on when schools are literally crumbling.
Now if a labour mate of starmer wanted to donate money so kid could revise without having the media on him fair enough we can all understand that. It's not being g hypocritical at all tbh this was before he became pm and we have a cabinet of secondary school pupils. Which means many of them don't have the capital that alot of the richer ones did which means it's tough because it takes money etc to fund stuff which is why the labour donor did this. So I don't want the pm role or mps to think right maybe we can't afford such and such personally if you look at how much other countries raise for their campaigns we don't raise that much.

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 11:33

EmpressoftheMundane · 25/09/2024 11:30

I remember in the leaders debate when he said he wouldn’t pay for private healthcare even if a family member’s life depended upon it. It sounded ridiculous at the time. Now it sounds even more so.

I’d like to know more about this Ali character. What are his opinions and interests? The media needs to do its job and expose Ali a bit more.

Edited

Oh yeh I remember that

What a numpty.

idrinkandknowthings · 25/09/2024 11:31

Soukmyfalafel · 25/09/2024 10:48

Towards the end of your OP I burst out laughing. I wasn't expecting this OP to lead to that conclusion but I should have.

I don't get the issue about these donations. Would you prefer it if our PM and cabinet ministers turned up to meet other world leaders in a supermarket brand suit? The extent of what the Tories did was much more worse. Its annoying hot air over the square root of fuck all because the press don't like Labour. Fecking obvious. I don't even like Labour that much, but I'm finding this annoying. Just privileged people throwing toys out of their pram.

Nobody seems to question how Reform operate. Funny that.

You think on Starmers wage he can only afford to buy supermarket suits?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You think he can't afford to buy his wife an expensive dress? Or get himself a new pair off glasses? If he can't afford to do that whilst earning £170k a year perhaps he should have a chat about finances with his next door neighbour Rachel. Oh wait, she isn't all that good either.

EmpressoftheMundane · 25/09/2024 11:30

I remember in the leaders debate when he said he wouldn’t pay for private healthcare even if a family member’s life depended upon it. It sounded ridiculous at the time. Now it sounds even more so.

I’d like to know more about this Ali character. What are his opinions and interests? The media needs to do its job and expose Ali a bit more.

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 11:27

HistoryMmam · 25/09/2024 11:04

One final point. As mothers, you are attacking a politician over decisions he’s made for his child. This is a politician whose party will try to make our society a bit less unfair. Do you people never honestly stop and think to yourselves you are on the wrong end of the argument?

This is is madness. Children are being impacted by his policies

Of course hypocrisy is going to be mentioned. And it's his line 'my boys' or whatever that he keeps using to justify taking freebies.

MargaretThursday · 25/09/2024 11:24

The working class
Can kiss my arse
I've got the foreman's job at last...

Sing to the tune of The Red Flag/O Christmas Tree.

Sarahconnor1 · 25/09/2024 11:14

HistoryMmam · 25/09/2024 11:04

One final point. As mothers, you are attacking a politician over decisions he’s made for his child. This is a politician whose party will try to make our society a bit less unfair. Do you people never honestly stop and think to yourselves you are on the wrong end of the argument?

Starmer dragged his child into this.

Starmers biographer said only a couple of days ago that the Starmers stayed in the penthouse for security reasons. Which I suspect people would have been more understanding of.

The Irony.. PM's donation was for ‘son to study for GCSEs’
Bloopy2 · 25/09/2024 11:13

Frowningprovidence · 25/09/2024 11:12

I'm not pro this VAT and think Sept is a better start point. But if it is a pupils gcse year, the parent 'only' has to find VAT on two terms worth of fees . I think that really the parent and the school can work together on how to cover this last stretch if that extra 2-3k is the straw that breaks the camels back. A mix of offsetting vat, short term bursary and payment plan so they pay over a longer period. I dont think the parent should be making their child feel stressed about it either.

Only issue is if a school closes suddenly.

What about students that have just started Y10? Or those in Y9 where the school starts GCSE courses in that year (which my children's (state) school does)?

Frowningprovidence · 25/09/2024 11:12

I'm not pro this VAT and think Sept is a better start point. But if it is a pupils gcse year, the parent 'only' has to find VAT on two terms worth of fees . I think that really the parent and the school can work together on how to cover this last stretch if that extra 2-3k is the straw that breaks the camels back. A mix of offsetting vat, short term bursary and payment plan so they pay over a longer period. I dont think the parent should be making their child feel stressed about it either.

Only issue is if a school closes suddenly.

Saschka · 25/09/2024 11:10

You can think KS shouldn’t have accepted the accommodation and that this is a ludicrous attempt at justification, whilst also thinking this has absolutely nothing to do with VAT on school fees and this attempt to link the two is just as ludicrous.

godmum56 · 25/09/2024 11:10

Soukmyfalafel · 25/09/2024 10:48

Towards the end of your OP I burst out laughing. I wasn't expecting this OP to lead to that conclusion but I should have.

I don't get the issue about these donations. Would you prefer it if our PM and cabinet ministers turned up to meet other world leaders in a supermarket brand suit? The extent of what the Tories did was much more worse. Its annoying hot air over the square root of fuck all because the press don't like Labour. Fecking obvious. I don't even like Labour that much, but I'm finding this annoying. Just privileged people throwing toys out of their pram.

Nobody seems to question how Reform operate. Funny that.

"Would you prefer it if our PM and cabinet ministers turned up to meet other world leaders in a supermarket brand suit?"
Why not? Additionally Victoria Starmer has already said that she is not going to be a political wife...that she is going to contribute her job (what job?) in the NHS, so even if you think its ok for KS et al to accept freebies because they are in government then why is it ok for her?

Incidentally, is it true that KS was in the CPS when the decision was taken not to prosecute Al Fayed?

Another76543 · 25/09/2024 11:09

HistoryMmam · 25/09/2024 11:04

One final point. As mothers, you are attacking a politician over decisions he’s made for his child. This is a politician whose party will try to make our society a bit less unfair. Do you people never honestly stop and think to yourselves you are on the wrong end of the argument?

The Labour Party are attacking parents on decisions they’ve made for their children though. They are claiming they will try to make society a bit less unfair - as long as it doesn’t affect them. Apparently we should all be more equal (perhaps they are proposing that we all get free £2500 glasses, use of £18m penthouses, and free holidays. I may have missed that announcement) Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Bloopy2 · 25/09/2024 11:08

HistoryMmam · 25/09/2024 11:05

I’m sorry but the fact you think this is communism makes me not take you seriously.

I didn't say it was communism. I said even if we lived in a perfect communist system life would still not be fair.

nOasistickets · 25/09/2024 11:07

His glasses cost £2500?!?!?!! wtf?! Do they let him see into the future?!?! What glasses are these?!?!

nearlylovemyusername · 25/09/2024 11:05

Have you every thought that Lord Alli is one of a key players in Stonewall? just google him

Have you ever though about reasons why Labour are so anti women?

If you look at donations from this angle, do you still believe it's ok?

HistoryMmam · 25/09/2024 11:05

Bloopy2 · 25/09/2024 10:48

But that's not the reality we're living in so saying "but life should be like this" is meaningless. There are plenty of good reasons why some children need to attend private schools in the current environment. Making children with SEN move to a state school that can't fulfill their needs or forcing them to stay at home and be homeschooled by an unqualified and incapable parent isn't the answer to life's inequalities.

Even if we lived in a "perfect" communist system where everyone had the same money and access to opportunities, there would still be disadvantage to SEN children who need additional support. Or talented children who need access to elite training in music or dance.

There is absolute no way that the minimal money that will be raised by this new tax (if any) will make any visible difference to state schools.

I’m sorry but the fact you think this is communism makes me not take you seriously.

user593 · 25/09/2024 11:04

@HistoryMmam No one needs to send their children to nursery or attend university either. In England, it’s a choice that in the main only reasonably well off people have.

HistoryMmam · 25/09/2024 11:04

One final point. As mothers, you are attacking a politician over decisions he’s made for his child. This is a politician whose party will try to make our society a bit less unfair. Do you people never honestly stop and think to yourselves you are on the wrong end of the argument?

Bloopy2 · 25/09/2024 11:00

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 10:58

I don't get the issue about these donations. Would you prefer it if our PM and cabinet ministers turned up to meet other world leaders in a supermarket brand suit?

This is madness. He has wealth. He can afford a suit like other people in well paid jobs.

I doubt anyone would notice if he wore a well-fitted suit from M&S or some designer brand. Can you tell his glasses cost £2500 or would a Specsavers pair look the same?

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 10:58

Soukmyfalafel · 25/09/2024 10:48

Towards the end of your OP I burst out laughing. I wasn't expecting this OP to lead to that conclusion but I should have.

I don't get the issue about these donations. Would you prefer it if our PM and cabinet ministers turned up to meet other world leaders in a supermarket brand suit? The extent of what the Tories did was much more worse. Its annoying hot air over the square root of fuck all because the press don't like Labour. Fecking obvious. I don't even like Labour that much, but I'm finding this annoying. Just privileged people throwing toys out of their pram.

Nobody seems to question how Reform operate. Funny that.

I don't get the issue about these donations. Would you prefer it if our PM and cabinet ministers turned up to meet other world leaders in a supermarket brand suit?

This is madness. He has wealth. He can afford a suit like other people in well paid jobs.

Another76543 · 25/09/2024 10:57

Bloopy2 · 25/09/2024 10:52

But this policy will not affect the "richest". They won't feel any difference in paying a few extra thousand in top of the £50k Eton fees or whatever it is. This policy affects hardworking lower and middle income families who for whatever reason have felt it necessary to scrimp and save to send their child to a private school. It is these people who will no longer be able to afford it. And those low income parent whose children benefit from bursaries and scholarships, which are now at risk if private schools have to find extra money from somewhere to survive.

The richest have pre paid fees so are likely to avoid the VAT anyway.

RafaistheKingofClay · 25/09/2024 10:57

Mabs49 · 25/09/2024 10:44

And presumably they had wind of it coming some time before

Rishi calling the election on the 22nd took even Tory MPs by surprise. The 29th fit perfectly with the start of the election campaign. Presumably he didn’t need it at the start of his son’s GCSEs because we weren’t in the middle of an election campaign.

angstridden2 · 25/09/2024 10:56

im neither a Labour or Conservative voter. I think Starmer’s taking of freebies is appalling and cannot understand how a supposedly intelligent and politically astute ex barrister could not see how bad this looks, nor could his highly paid advisers. Surely his son could have stayed with relatives or friends if the pressure was that bad? The Starmers weren’t exactly a low paid couple before the election and I’m pretty sure Victoria Starmer could hire or buy perfectly good quality clothes at a reasonable price. This makes them look like grifters and no better than Johnson.