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AIBU to consider medicating my son past his needle phobia?

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HidingI · 25/09/2024 07:30

He needs a pretty important blood test. We've been trying for over 6 weeks, and have been to a phlebotomist 13 times so far. He is 15. The issue is not pain, lack of trust, lack of understanding. The thought of the needle makes him clench his arm. He cannot stop this and we can't stop him. He cannot or will not use any of the strategies we've practiced, like looking away or using headphones. He is extremely stubborn and, despite years of coaching, has a very fixed mindset and negative outlook. I'm scared for his future.

We've tried every parenting approach you could think of and we're exhausted. This is only 1 issue among several our family are dealing with.

Would you give him Kalms or Phenergan (sp)? He is already on a magnesium supplement. We've tried Rescue Remedy.

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IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 25/09/2024 11:16

I would do some reverse psychology eg pretending not to know he's in earshot and discussing how next door's third cousin 14 times removed 13 year old daughter had to have a blood transfusion, person to person, after tumbling off a massive mountain doing her Duke of Edinburgh award with only some Kendals mint cake to stick between her teeth because helicopter rescue had to employ massive needles - but she'll still get her gold medal because did seven peaks - or other such balderdash. It is stupid but he's 15! Not a baby! By that time, us poor girls would have had a myriad of stuff including BCG etc. I travelled a lot with parents and remember going to the BOAC / BA (showing my age!) vaccine place in Piccadilly, London to have loads of painful inoculations; Cholera was the worst and only lasted 6 months!

Skybluepinky · 25/09/2024 11:11

Sounds like he needs therapy speak to GP to get it sorted.

cornishschools · 25/09/2024 11:07

Some of these comments are just nasty!

OP, I was needlephobic as a teenager. (I can date it to passing out at my TB jab at secondary school.) I had several hypnotherapy sessions - it wasn't a cure, but it did take the edge of it to the point where I could tolerate having it done and not pass out. (I am pretty much 'cured' now as a result of having fertility treatment, though I still have do regulate my breathing and lie down for a moment with dental injections.) I'd recommend hypnotherapy as worth a try.

I really hope you're able to get him the care he needs - it sounds like you're doing a good job of being supportive and understanding.

SweetLalaLand · 25/09/2024 10:48

This reaction only happened over this particular blood test, which is due to a referral from an optician who said (in front of him) that he had a serious concern about diabetes. I saw the fear set in. And yes, I am furious with that optician while being glad he acted on his concerns.

How am I not surprised. 😔

We had a shitty optician say some extremely tactless and scaremongering things in front of dc 10. The fear of Diabetes must be at the core of this. Have you tried speaking with him about the condition and all the possible ways of managing it, especially with new technologies? I hope you get the support you need and your ds will overcome this fear.

Some posters and HCP are simply ignorant.

HidingI · 25/09/2024 10:39

First, a child is not allowed to have a blood test without a parent/carer present. We've tried me being out of sight and uninvolved. He says this makes it worse.

Second, he has always been uncomfortable with needles but managed when necessary, because we've always been matter of fact, truthful and positive with our kids. This reaction only happened over this particular blood test, which is due to a referral from an optician who said (in front of him) that he had a serious concern about diabetes. I saw the fear set in. And yes, I am furious with that optician while being glad he acted on his concerns.

I understand that there are people who see personal weakness as a failure or character defect. I don't see human beings that way so will respectfully disagree with those who think he should just get on with it.

We've tried me being out of sight, uninvolved, fully involved, cheerful, chatty, stern, commanding, loving, supportive - we are an emotionally intelligent family and all understand we need different support in different situations. I've always taken guidance from the phlebotomists about whether what I'm doing helps.

We've tried self-hypnosis, breathing exercises, mindfulness and affirmations, all of which have been helpful but not enough to convince him he'll ever be able to do it.

Thanks for the positive suggestions and support - I will certainly be pushing for support from the gp or a referral, but meanwhile we are so worried about untreated diabetes. He knows that, how could he not, even though we have talked about how we will cope whatever we learn.

It's really hard to love him through this, which he obviously needs, when I'm so frustrated and worried. I feel like it's my fault that he can't do this because I have failed him. I do know that is illogical and not factual.

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SweetLalaLand · 25/09/2024 10:14

FlingThatCarrot · 25/09/2024 10:06

No one is born with a needle phobia. You've given it to them as children by over egging vaccinations and making a massive deal about it.

We've taken both out toddlers to watch our blood tests/ vaccinations since tiny. Even gone with grandparents to completely normalised it. It's not a big deal, no different than a Dr spraying that stuff up their nose.

I've heard parents doing massive warnings and prep for their kids injections and then a huge celebration and reward for having it done. This just makes it a bigger deal than it is, increases anxiety. Mine get told on the day, we go in, look at away and sing the alphabet, all done. Now let's get on with the day.

He 15, let him get on with it.

parents doing massive warnings and prep for their kids injections and then a huge celebration and reward for having it done.
Some people may do this, my dd's needle phobia is not due to this. She is pretty self sufficient in most other areas, very independent. In our case it comes from a fear of not being in control. She'd happily draw her own blood or give herself a vaccination 😂, she has removed more ticks from the dog than I care to know and many times she has had to clean her grazed knee and put a plaster on it at junior school, she was a regular in the school office as very sporty and fell over lots on the playground. People are different, phobias are psychological and not something you can reason with. But great that your approach works with your dc.

nothingcomestonothing · 25/09/2024 10:12

FlingThatCarrot · 25/09/2024 10:06

No one is born with a needle phobia. You've given it to them as children by over egging vaccinations and making a massive deal about it.

We've taken both out toddlers to watch our blood tests/ vaccinations since tiny. Even gone with grandparents to completely normalised it. It's not a big deal, no different than a Dr spraying that stuff up their nose.

I've heard parents doing massive warnings and prep for their kids injections and then a huge celebration and reward for having it done. This just makes it a bigger deal than it is, increases anxiety. Mine get told on the day, we go in, look at away and sing the alphabet, all done. Now let's get on with the day.

He 15, let him get on with it.

A phobia isn't a choice. Parents might have inadvertently made a phobia worse by not knowing how to deal with it, but phobias aren't chosen and this boy can't just decide not to have a physiological response to a stimulus. That's not how humans work.

You know people have many phobias which make no sense right? Like fear of spiders or lifts or the dentist? Do you think every person with a phobia had it induced by their parent making a fuss and not being such a marvellous parent as you, and can just choose not to have it? Cos if that's what you think, you are wrong.

mindutopia · 25/09/2024 10:10

Try hypnotherapy. Honestly, it will make a world of difference. It’s very effective for this sort of this. You will have to pay privately but the benefits will be lifelong.

FlingThatCarrot · 25/09/2024 10:06

No one is born with a needle phobia. You've given it to them as children by over egging vaccinations and making a massive deal about it.

We've taken both out toddlers to watch our blood tests/ vaccinations since tiny. Even gone with grandparents to completely normalised it. It's not a big deal, no different than a Dr spraying that stuff up their nose.

I've heard parents doing massive warnings and prep for their kids injections and then a huge celebration and reward for having it done. This just makes it a bigger deal than it is, increases anxiety. Mine get told on the day, we go in, look at away and sing the alphabet, all done. Now let's get on with the day.

He 15, let him get on with it.

Eyesopenwideawake · 25/09/2024 09:56

Swerve, not serve.

nothingcomestonothing · 25/09/2024 09:55

FlingThatCarrot · 25/09/2024 08:23

I would be charging him all that lost appointment time. 13 appointments for a single blood test.

He's 15- you send him for his appointment and he cracks on with it. You've clearly been babying him. If he gets sicker, I'd let him feel the effects. Natural consequences. My 3yo understands the need for blood tests/ injections and doesn't waste everyone's time.

Wow I hope your child never experiences a phobia, if that's your response. If OPs son has a phobia (and it sounds like he has) he's not messing about for fun, it's a genuine terror. The same way you'd feel if a gunman burst into your house or something, the physiological response is the same. Unbelievable.

Eyesopenwideawake · 25/09/2024 09:47

A couple of years ago I worked with someone with a severe needle phobia - they’d just been diagnosed with cancer so it wasn’t something they could serve anymore. Within 3 sessions they were happily handling needles (I have a supply for giving horse injections) and went onto make a full recovery.

Edenmum2 · 25/09/2024 08:49

Tbh I don't think either of these meds will stop him clenching. There's no way to convince your doc to give something stronger?

Jeezitneverends · 25/09/2024 08:46

My ds is now in his 20s and is still needle phobic-to the point where he’s passed out when he did get blood taken.

It’s a true phobia and no amount of “just telling him” will help. Someone has already mentioned hypnosis, I think this could be well worth exploring and am going to keep it in mind for my ds

SweetLalaLand · 25/09/2024 08:42

Londonnight · 25/09/2024 07:54

I really feel for you and your son as I have been through this with my son. Mine was totally needle phobic --- it's really hard to describe just how frightened he was without seeing him. Unfortunately for him he developed crohns disease with requires many blood tests, needles etc.
I went through 6 years of hell with very little help from the medical team, they would just say he was badly behaved, old enough to know better, little children were better than him, etc, etc. Obviously none of this helped his mental health or phobia.
We tried everything, emla cream, play therapists, buzzy. None helped

He detoriated to the extent he was admitted to hospital and the only thing that finally helped was a very good child psychologist who took it slowly step by step and also worked with his medical team at the same time.

Ten years later he even does his own injections and no problems with blood tests!

I'm sorry that sounds like a very difficult experience for the whole family. My dd has a needle phobia are you able to share what the psychologist did to help your ds?

Galdownunder · 25/09/2024 08:39

Can you visit a children’s hospital where they may have more comfortable options? Poor kid I’m a scaredy-cat cat too so I completely get it. I’m 52 and still lay down for a blood test.

TheNoodlesIncident · 25/09/2024 08:38

butterdish601 · 25/09/2024 08:33

If he gets sicker, I'd let him feel the effects. Natural consequences

I honestly can't get over this comment.

No, it's horrifyingly cold and callous. My 16 yo (with autism) is similar and we've been for umpteen "appointments" to the immunisation clinic to try to get DS to have the Meningitis jab. I'm terrified he's going to catch it at college and wind up either dead or paralysed, and he knows the risks of not having it but a phobia is not that easy to overcome.

I feel your pain OP. I know someone whose child was similar (and had medical problems all his life) and they used to give him gas and air before any round of injections or blood tests. He just couldn't cope otherwise.

Beforetheend · 25/09/2024 08:34

To answer your actual question, there’s nothing wrong with medicating in this circumstance, and in many places and situations it would have been offered much earlier. It should be with his consent though.

It’s counterproductive to keep trying and failing as it’s entrenching the problem.

I’m not suggesting that your ds is neurodiverse but my autistic ds has a pda profile and the drive towards autonomy leads to issues like this. You might get more helpful advice and support if you post this problem in special needs, where people have expertise that goes beyond “just make him”

butterdish601 · 25/09/2024 08:33

If he gets sicker, I'd let him feel the effects. Natural consequences

I honestly can't get over this comment.

WetBandits · 25/09/2024 08:31

Oh I feel for him! I see a lot of needlephobic patients and you can tell they are genuinely petrified. Obviously 13 appointments isn’t great time and cost wise, but if he’s that phobic then I can’t imagine he’s wasting the appointments for the fun of it. Is it the actual needle or more the environment/strangers that he is phobic of?

Do you have any friends or family members who are nurses or phlebotomists that he has a good relationship with and might trust to have a go in the comfort of his own home? I have bled friends/family (and their children) at home in these circumstances because they know I’m a good stick and will take my time to find a decent vein before I go anywhere near them with an actual needle.

butterdish601 · 25/09/2024 08:28

FlingThatCarrot · 25/09/2024 08:23

I would be charging him all that lost appointment time. 13 appointments for a single blood test.

He's 15- you send him for his appointment and he cracks on with it. You've clearly been babying him. If he gets sicker, I'd let him feel the effects. Natural consequences. My 3yo understands the need for blood tests/ injections and doesn't waste everyone's time.

😱😱😱 wow

More helpfully (I hope): OP my DC has had a lifetime of needles and now has a severe phobia. The finger prick as a PP mentioned above is a good compromise while your DS works on his phobia. They offer it on the children's ward at our local hospital- would be worth investigating.

itwasnevermine · 25/09/2024 08:25

FlingThatCarrot · 25/09/2024 08:23

I would be charging him all that lost appointment time. 13 appointments for a single blood test.

He's 15- you send him for his appointment and he cracks on with it. You've clearly been babying him. If he gets sicker, I'd let him feel the effects. Natural consequences. My 3yo understands the need for blood tests/ injections and doesn't waste everyone's time.

Sadly I'd say I agree with this.

He's 15. Yes it can be overwhelming but 13 appointments for one blood test is extortionate. What's he going to do if (god forbid) he got ill in the future? Or if he and his future partner needed to do fertility treatments etc.? And he had to inject his partner or go for blood tests himself?

Ohthatsabitshit · 25/09/2024 08:24

Sirzy · 25/09/2024 08:00

Someone up thread mentioned the numbing cream. DS has had to have many blood tests over the years and for us the cream added massively to the anxiety because it going on meant he then had 40 minutes of extra worry as he knew it was closer.

we use the freeze spray now which works instantly. I’m not for a second suggesting the spray will fix all of his issues but avoiding the cream may help a little

For us it adds a stage and a “buy in” from ds to the process. We had an extremely successful course of appointments working towards the blood test with a nurse. Worth the effort though

FlingThatCarrot · 25/09/2024 08:23

I would be charging him all that lost appointment time. 13 appointments for a single blood test.

He's 15- you send him for his appointment and he cracks on with it. You've clearly been babying him. If he gets sicker, I'd let him feel the effects. Natural consequences. My 3yo understands the need for blood tests/ injections and doesn't waste everyone's time.

Eyesopenwideawake · 25/09/2024 08:23

Talk to Therese Langford of https://www.facebook.com/calmmindhypnotherapy - she works exclusively with children.

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