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AIBU to consider medicating my son past his needle phobia?

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HidingI · 25/09/2024 07:30

He needs a pretty important blood test. We've been trying for over 6 weeks, and have been to a phlebotomist 13 times so far. He is 15. The issue is not pain, lack of trust, lack of understanding. The thought of the needle makes him clench his arm. He cannot stop this and we can't stop him. He cannot or will not use any of the strategies we've practiced, like looking away or using headphones. He is extremely stubborn and, despite years of coaching, has a very fixed mindset and negative outlook. I'm scared for his future.

We've tried every parenting approach you could think of and we're exhausted. This is only 1 issue among several our family are dealing with.

Would you give him Kalms or Phenergan (sp)? He is already on a magnesium supplement. We've tried Rescue Remedy.

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LightSpeeds · 25/09/2024 19:09

Sirzy · 25/09/2024 08:00

Someone up thread mentioned the numbing cream. DS has had to have many blood tests over the years and for us the cream added massively to the anxiety because it going on meant he then had 40 minutes of extra worry as he knew it was closer.

we use the freeze spray now which works instantly. I’m not for a second suggesting the spray will fix all of his issues but avoiding the cream may help a little

What's the freeze spray? (I also have a needle phobia.)

footgoldcycle · 25/09/2024 18:53

We have had similar with my son (although he's a lot younger). Have you discussed them taking the blood from his wrist or hand. Weirdly it's more painful but easier to get a vein.

Tittat50 · 25/09/2024 18:46

I'd personally bribe him because what else can you do if he is so strongly against it.

I bribed my son. He's had some horrible experiences. Before one operation they were wriggling the needle about in his hand and after that has been a bloody nightmare. He's Autistic.

We talk through a strategy after that. The strategy is - heat ( like hot water bottle, loads of water, don't look, we'll watch something on phone, we'll ask for the best phleb, we'll also buy this great reward).

Some may disagree but it worked. The good experiences then replaced the bad one for future events.

Tittat50 · 25/09/2024 18:40

I have to inject alot. What works so amazingly is putting a very hot water bottle over the area. It almost entirely numbs it. Blood draws hurt me alot.

Can you ask son to try this and guarantee him the best phlebotomist they have there. And speak to them about ensuring you have the most competent.
Some just can't do it well.
You could also talk to him about taking an old fashioned anti histamine.

One good experience will hopefully remove future terror.

bergamotorange · 25/09/2024 18:35

It's really hard to love him through this, which he obviously needs, when I'm so frustrated and worried. I feel like it's my fault that he can't do this because I have failed him. I do know that is illogical and not factual. You really need to get this under control op, could his dad go instead?

This sounds too much for a teen to handle.

Sounds tough Flowers

bergamotorange · 25/09/2024 18:32

FlingThatCarrot · 25/09/2024 08:23

I would be charging him all that lost appointment time. 13 appointments for a single blood test.

He's 15- you send him for his appointment and he cracks on with it. You've clearly been babying him. If he gets sicker, I'd let him feel the effects. Natural consequences. My 3yo understands the need for blood tests/ injections and doesn't waste everyone's time.

Hmm Ridiculous

nothingcomestonothing · 25/09/2024 17:40

They can't bleed him without saying anything, or tie his arm down. No ethical HCP would do that.

EngineEngineNumber9 · 25/09/2024 16:30

I can’t believe some of these comments in 2024! Absolutely ignorant and nasty individuals who are too thick to understand phobias and mental illness. The same arseholes that tell someone suicidal to go for a walk and they’ll feel better.

OP’s son is not doing this on purpose! I’m sure if he had a genie in a lamp he’d wish not to be terrified of needles.

JC03745 · 25/09/2024 16:21

The thought of the needle makes him clench his arm.

Do you mean he bends his elbow up, so they can't take the blood from there, OR, he is clenching is hand?
If its the arm he is bending up, I'd either ask if his wrist could be lightly tied onto the chair, to stop is bending up. Or, ask if they can take the blood from the back of his hand.
I too was going to suggest the use of emla, but others have said that too.

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 25/09/2024 16:21

HidingI · 25/09/2024 07:30

He needs a pretty important blood test. We've been trying for over 6 weeks, and have been to a phlebotomist 13 times so far. He is 15. The issue is not pain, lack of trust, lack of understanding. The thought of the needle makes him clench his arm. He cannot stop this and we can't stop him. He cannot or will not use any of the strategies we've practiced, like looking away or using headphones. He is extremely stubborn and, despite years of coaching, has a very fixed mindset and negative outlook. I'm scared for his future.

We've tried every parenting approach you could think of and we're exhausted. This is only 1 issue among several our family are dealing with.

Would you give him Kalms or Phenergan (sp)? He is already on a magnesium supplement. We've tried Rescue Remedy.

OP, you said he won't look away from the needle, is that right?

How about if you rigged up way of blocking his view? I'm imagining if he put his arm through the curtains they have round cubicles at hospital and clipped it together above and below his arm so he really can't see anything.

Would he agree to sit there with his arm out until he relaxed and then they go for it without saying anything? Perhaps combined with numbing cream / spray so he doesn't flinch / recoil?

Eta: that wasn't supposed to quote, sorry!

Holidays78 · 25/09/2024 15:49

I think some of these comments are harsh. A phobia isn't necessarily rational. I have a fear of heights, probably irrational to many people but a huge fear to me. Needles are no different.

OP Has he been in the room when someone else has bloods done? To see that there is nothing to worry about.

LlynTegid · 25/09/2024 15:38

Hope something works OP, and good on you for now being a blood donor.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 25/09/2024 15:35

FlingThatCarrot · 25/09/2024 10:06

No one is born with a needle phobia. You've given it to them as children by over egging vaccinations and making a massive deal about it.

We've taken both out toddlers to watch our blood tests/ vaccinations since tiny. Even gone with grandparents to completely normalised it. It's not a big deal, no different than a Dr spraying that stuff up their nose.

I've heard parents doing massive warnings and prep for their kids injections and then a huge celebration and reward for having it done. This just makes it a bigger deal than it is, increases anxiety. Mine get told on the day, we go in, look at away and sing the alphabet, all done. Now let's get on with the day.

He 15, let him get on with it.

DS is 11, autistic and also currently refusing a blood test. He also refused to have a covid vaccination.

I have never made a big deal about needles, he's never been bribed or rewarded for it. He just won't agree to it, and we can't physically force him. We've explained why the blood test is needed and how it could help him.

I actually have a very mild needle phobia for blood tests, none for vaccinations. Despite many, many years of doctors having difficulty getting blood out of me, having to make multiple attempts (apparently I have awkward veins) my slight aversion was caused by having been with DH when he was severely dehydrated and medical staff had great difficulty getting any blood out of him, with many repeated attempts that caused DH a lot of pain.

JellyJazzy · 25/09/2024 15:01

Can he have his urine checked? If his urine dip is negative for glucose and ketones then it's unlikely he has diabetes. A blood test is still needed to rule it out fully but it might help him be less anxious if he had that reassurance first.

Totally agree with children's opd, emla cream and hypnotherapy options. Sorry some have been so unkind on this thread.

Snoopsteandcooper · 25/09/2024 11:54

I had an awful needle phobia which started when I was stung in the face by a wasp at school when I was 5 and then taken to the doctors who gave me a jab. Over the years it has gotten better by lying down for blood tests, using Emla cream to numb for vaccinations, not looking at the needle etc. I fully sympathise and perhaps your son is terrified be the prospect of having to deal with injecting, if it turns out he does have diabetes. I'd do as others are suggesting and try and get it done at a children's ward / hospital.

Tradersinsnow · 25/09/2024 11:46

There's some absolutely bonkers responses on here. Lacking all compassion and grace, poor bastards, must be awful in their brains to think like that.

Do you know anyone with a glucometer? Or could you buy one? Would he tolerate a lancet in his finger to check his blood levels fasting and after meals? It's not an Hba1c but it would give more info and might help him feel more in control of the situation.

CrunchyCarrot · 25/09/2024 11:43

I've had needle phobia since I was about 10, I believe due to having to have 3 injections one after the other. Might sound a small thing but that's what I can trace it back to. Since then I won't have injections. I haven't had any at all and I'm 68. I have needed blood tests in my 60s and fortunately found I can manage to do finger prick blood tests. Not sure I would have been able to deal with that in my teens, but I think it has to do with having control of the situation.

There's no way trying to force, shame or let someone 'deal with the consequences' actually works in helping a phobic person. Phobias aren't logical, so very hard to deal with. Kindness and baby steps are what helps the most.

HidingI · 25/09/2024 11:40

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Seriously?

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HidingI · 25/09/2024 11:36

I had problems with needles as a teen as well. I wasn't keen on injections, but blood tests were absolutely awful as I have hiding veins and it often took 6+ attempts to get bloods from me, from multiple locations. I would get faint and have to lie down - quite understandable in those circumstances. I have had multiple horrible bruises on my arms and hands. I wouldn't call it a phobia though, as though terrified, I could overcome the urge to run away or move my arm.

During pregnancies, taking blood was much, much easier, and thankfully isn't a problem now, but I always tell the phlebotomist which vein is usually successful and that I need to lie down. I've even managed to donate blood now.

My son has nice, easy veins and his fear is nothing to do with it hurting or the process itself - he is brave and strong in other situations.

Sorry, this post was just a rant.

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butterdish601 · 25/09/2024 11:31

HidingI · 25/09/2024 10:39

First, a child is not allowed to have a blood test without a parent/carer present. We've tried me being out of sight and uninvolved. He says this makes it worse.

Second, he has always been uncomfortable with needles but managed when necessary, because we've always been matter of fact, truthful and positive with our kids. This reaction only happened over this particular blood test, which is due to a referral from an optician who said (in front of him) that he had a serious concern about diabetes. I saw the fear set in. And yes, I am furious with that optician while being glad he acted on his concerns.

I understand that there are people who see personal weakness as a failure or character defect. I don't see human beings that way so will respectfully disagree with those who think he should just get on with it.

We've tried me being out of sight, uninvolved, fully involved, cheerful, chatty, stern, commanding, loving, supportive - we are an emotionally intelligent family and all understand we need different support in different situations. I've always taken guidance from the phlebotomists about whether what I'm doing helps.

We've tried self-hypnosis, breathing exercises, mindfulness and affirmations, all of which have been helpful but not enough to convince him he'll ever be able to do it.

Thanks for the positive suggestions and support - I will certainly be pushing for support from the gp or a referral, but meanwhile we are so worried about untreated diabetes. He knows that, how could he not, even though we have talked about how we will cope whatever we learn.

It's really hard to love him through this, which he obviously needs, when I'm so frustrated and worried. I feel like it's my fault that he can't do this because I have failed him. I do know that is illogical and not factual.

OP I've been there and you have my sympathy. Some of the posts on here are awful and I hope those kicking you while you're down don't really have kids and are just here to troll. It goes without saying that neither you or your DS are to blame for this phobia. I hope you can find a solution - we haven't so far but as I mentioned above, the finger prick method of blood taking has provided some temporary respite for my DC.

Sadsadworld · 25/09/2024 11:26

I'm sorry to hear his tricky this has been.
CBT is evidence based and effective for this. Please ask your GP to refer him

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Oreosareawful · 25/09/2024 11:21

Wow, the lack of empathy on this thread is horrifying.

I used to be needle phobic, I would shake uncontrollably at any appointment that required one. The nurse simply couldn't take the blood due to the shaking and I couldn't stop it as it was involuntary.

I had hypnotherapy as a last resort, I paid for it myself in my early twenties- best thing I ever did.
I can now walk into the the nurses room to have blood taken, an injection given, I had an epidural during childbirth and a spinal block with my caesarean.
I don't even think about it any more.

Please get him some help, he will thank you when hes older.

Mountainpika · 25/09/2024 11:21

How about solution focused hypnotherapy? It works for me with various issues. It's not the hocus pocus that's seen on TV, it's working to reassure the deep mind which is scared. pm me if you want to know more.

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 25/09/2024 11:19

@FlingThatCarrot, I hear you!!! Sorry, OP but have bugger all sympathy re a15 year old's inability to deal with the 'sharp scratch'.