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Should customers show more respect for customers or staff that need first aid?

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Auburngal · 24/09/2024 21:48

Today a customer had an epileptic seizure in a busy area. We coned off the area. Customers were tutting and muttering unpleasant things because they had to go round the long way.

In the past, customers have stepped over the customer or staff member who has fainted, fallen etc. Very disrespectful. How would they react if people were doing this around their loved ones!

People can’t control when they are going to feel ill or it happens suddenly like myself a year ago after a reaction to a flu vaccine that I had 3 days before.

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Unicorntastic · 25/09/2024 06:58

@llamali what are you talking about? What do you actually know about police training? Were you there to see how the situation was dealt with? Police deal with all sorts of incidents so are probably better at assessing a situation than anyone else. Talk about slagging off the emergency services at any given opportunity.

KaToby · 25/09/2024 06:49

A customer had a seizure (supermarket) we phoned an ambulance and put screens at the ends of the aisle. Customers were trying to sneak round the screens and moaning that they “just need this” The poor lady needed privacy, in the end we put a member of staff at each end of the aisle until the ambulance arrived.

llamali · 25/09/2024 06:42

SirCharlesRainier · 24/09/2024 22:30

No, was just struck by the several posts in a row suggesting different excuses for awful behaviour. Reminded me slightly of the MN classic "have you considered dementia?"

I think it's always worth considering there maybe a reason someone isn't acting as you may expect /hope. A lot of people have their own shit going on or just don't think. Of course a lot of people are just knobheads

llamali · 25/09/2024 06:40

lightsandtunnels · 24/09/2024 22:16

They were knobheads.

Fair enough thought that might be the case

Auburngal · 25/09/2024 06:39

HotPotato123 · 24/09/2024 22:45

That is horrendous. I would most likely have been sacked for shouting at them that they were fucking arseholes. Would have been worth it.

Those customers should have been banned!

Problem is it’s a me me me culture.

About 10-12 years ago we had to close the store due to flooding - worse than we had in previous days.

Staff were still in as delivery needed to be put out. Flooding was around entrance and in front of kiosk. Heard customers banging on the windows “I just want some milk” “I just want a paper”. We are not the ONLY shop in the area that sells milk and newspapers. I can think of about 10 in a 5 min walk.

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JC03745 · 25/09/2024 01:07

I used to work in A&E. A patient had a cardiac arrest in a bay, only surrounded by curtains. We always tried to move nearby beds/family, but their is no sound proofing for such events and it was only curtains!
After a long battle with shocks, adrenaline, CPR, which could clearly be heard nearby, the gent sadly died, RIP x

I went to the patient/relatives next door afterwards to say how sorry I was that they might have heard some upsetting things from next door etc.
The first thing the relative said was:
'You do realise, I've been sat here an hour and not 1 person has offered ME a cup of tea yet!'

MissMoan · 25/09/2024 00:55

I find the sense of entitlement is rife these days. Sadly it's usually the bad mannered people who stand out, even though plenty of well-mannered people exist.

YaCannyKickYaGrannyInTheShin · 24/09/2024 23:08

XenoBitch · 24/09/2024 22:11

He was not in danger, but he was in meltdown and thought he was. He shouts and swears when he has meltdown. It was handled very badly, as in people shouted back at him. He just needed calm, and removal to a calm space.
He now constantly wears a sunflower lanyard with a card saying he is autistic.

That must've been absolutely awful for him Flowers

I can see why calling the police seemed like a good idea to anyone witnessing it.

Not because he was doing anything 'wrong', but for his own personal safety.

I think that's what the PP (who another poster jumped on) was trying to say.

spikeandbuffy · 24/09/2024 23:06

Soubriquet · 24/09/2024 21:50

People are generally rude but I guarantee you that most people weren’t think the had a fit. They probably thought he was passed out drunk and that’s why they were pissed off and walking over him

Still no excuse though

You would think...

I was doing CPR on someone and people kept stepping over my legs and carrying on browsing. The guy was dead on the floor and they were still shopping
I had to yell at someone because they were getting in the way of me swapping over chest compressions

socialdilemmawhattodo · 24/09/2024 23:02

My only similar experience was trying to get my husband at the time up stairs at our local station. After he had been severely triggered by a tuna allergy. After dinner out in London. He was stumbling, absolutely unable to bear his own weight, was clearly suffering the start of a massive migraine. I was smaller than him by a lot and was trying to help him up the stairs. Not a single individual came to my assistance because clearly everyone, nearly all professionals, on their way home from work or after evenings out, clearly thought he was drunk. He wasn't. He was having a huge allergic reaction. I was able to get him to our car and drive him home. He was very unwell. But the judgement - fake - still resonates with me today.

Maverickess · 24/09/2024 22:46

littleoldme3 · 24/09/2024 22:06

@Auburngal working with members of the public can be an absolute joy, can’t it!?

A few years ago I was covering in another branch (as manager) while someone was off sick. There was myself and 2 other staff. I was serving on the till when a lady in the queue took very unwell right at the desk - it was a stroke.

Obviously, we did all the necessary things - ambulance, making sure she was safe etc. People were beginning to just stare and the shop was getting busier while waiting for the ambulance so I asked all other customers in the store (maybe about 8 people) to please leave their items on the counter as we were closing temporarily to allow the lady some privacy to be dealt with by medics.
The backlash I got was unreal! I actually had one of the customers immediately phone my head office complaining that they were “paying customers and would never be back after being treated this way” 🙄🙄 At least 3 or 4 of the customers made comments!!

I hope your customer was ok!

Unfortunately this does not surprise me at all, it would seem that customer service must over ride everything, general health & safety, common sense, manners, the law, other people's health or safety People have become obsessed with it.

It's got ridiculous, and I don't even think it's so much to do with getting free stuff for a complaint as validation and ego stroking.
"Look! I've been the victim of poor customer service, it's tragic, disgusting, appalling and any other over emotional word I can think of" 🙄.

The reactions towards anything slightly going wrong in a customer service environment are becoming more and more disproportionate to what is actually happening. Having to wait a few minutes to be served, having to leave a shop because someone has taken ill, something not being available - it's not exactly a life changing tragedy that's going to affect you for the rest of your life, it's a mild annoyance.

I mean radically, had I been in your shop I'd have offered to help the lady, or you. People have become so individualistic and self absorbed they will actually put their 'experience' buying a pint of milk above someone else's life.

HotPotato123 · 24/09/2024 22:45

littleoldme3 · 24/09/2024 22:06

@Auburngal working with members of the public can be an absolute joy, can’t it!?

A few years ago I was covering in another branch (as manager) while someone was off sick. There was myself and 2 other staff. I was serving on the till when a lady in the queue took very unwell right at the desk - it was a stroke.

Obviously, we did all the necessary things - ambulance, making sure she was safe etc. People were beginning to just stare and the shop was getting busier while waiting for the ambulance so I asked all other customers in the store (maybe about 8 people) to please leave their items on the counter as we were closing temporarily to allow the lady some privacy to be dealt with by medics.
The backlash I got was unreal! I actually had one of the customers immediately phone my head office complaining that they were “paying customers and would never be back after being treated this way” 🙄🙄 At least 3 or 4 of the customers made comments!!

I hope your customer was ok!

That is horrendous. I would most likely have been sacked for shouting at them that they were fucking arseholes. Would have been worth it.

GoodEveningMiss · 24/09/2024 22:36

I'm SO glad I left retail!!

SirCharlesRainier · 24/09/2024 22:30

XenoBitch · 24/09/2024 22:17

Woah, is there some backstory here with you and @llamali ?

No, was just struck by the several posts in a row suggesting different excuses for awful behaviour. Reminded me slightly of the MN classic "have you considered dementia?"

TeenLifeMum · 24/09/2024 22:20

llamali · 24/09/2024 21:57

I know it's more likely they were utter knobends but don't discount the thought one of them might be incredibly claustrophobic or scared of flying and not be thinking rationally. Like I say they were probably just knobends

Yeah, they were just knobs who wanted to get home in time for the football.

XenoBitch · 24/09/2024 22:17

SirCharlesRainier · 24/09/2024 22:07

Have you got some kind of compulsion to repeatedly make excuses for absolute arseholes or is it just a weird hobby?

Woah, is there some backstory here with you and @llamali ?

lightsandtunnels · 24/09/2024 22:16

llamali · 24/09/2024 22:04

Again this sounds terrible but how packed was the train? Were there loads of people getting off? They might have thought they were best off just getting out your way and alerting a member of staff. Of course they may all be knobheads

They were knobheads.

XenoBitch · 24/09/2024 22:13

llamali · 24/09/2024 22:09

I genuinely don't see why someone shouldn't call the emergancy services during those situations. Someone called the police for someone close to me who was having a severe meltdown on a night out. They thought he was drunk. The police were great and took him somewhere safe. They kept him safe.

That happened to my friend too. He is now banned from a pub for having a meltdown (they don't understand), but the police were great. He ended up in hospital with a head injury that he can't remember getting.

XenoBitch · 24/09/2024 22:11

llamali · 24/09/2024 22:05

I don't think there should be anything wrong with calling the police if someone is in danger? Was he in danger? Personally I think the police should be better trained so that it isn't an issue contacting the police for keeping people safe

He was not in danger, but he was in meltdown and thought he was. He shouts and swears when he has meltdown. It was handled very badly, as in people shouted back at him. He just needed calm, and removal to a calm space.
He now constantly wears a sunflower lanyard with a card saying he is autistic.

RitzyMcFee · 24/09/2024 22:09

I genuinely couldn't get my head around it at all.

llamali · 24/09/2024 22:09

SirCharlesRainier · 24/09/2024 22:07

Have you got some kind of compulsion to repeatedly make excuses for absolute arseholes or is it just a weird hobby?

I genuinely don't see why someone shouldn't call the emergancy services during those situations. Someone called the police for someone close to me who was having a severe meltdown on a night out. They thought he was drunk. The police were great and took him somewhere safe. They kept him safe.

llamali · 24/09/2024 22:08

It must be that bystander effect

llamali · 24/09/2024 22:08

RitzyMcFee · 24/09/2024 22:07

My daughter collapsed in a residential street in the middle of the day and people just stepped over her. Not one person asked her if she was OK or stopped to help her. I was flabbergasted.

See that's just weird there's no excuses for EVERYONE to do that

RitzyMcFee · 24/09/2024 22:07

My daughter collapsed in a residential street in the middle of the day and people just stepped over her. Not one person asked her if she was OK or stopped to help her. I was flabbergasted.

SirCharlesRainier · 24/09/2024 22:07

llamali · 24/09/2024 22:05

I don't think there should be anything wrong with calling the police if someone is in danger? Was he in danger? Personally I think the police should be better trained so that it isn't an issue contacting the police for keeping people safe

Have you got some kind of compulsion to repeatedly make excuses for absolute arseholes or is it just a weird hobby?