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Should customers show more respect for customers or staff that need first aid?

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Auburngal · 24/09/2024 21:48

Today a customer had an epileptic seizure in a busy area. We coned off the area. Customers were tutting and muttering unpleasant things because they had to go round the long way.

In the past, customers have stepped over the customer or staff member who has fainted, fallen etc. Very disrespectful. How would they react if people were doing this around their loved ones!

People can’t control when they are going to feel ill or it happens suddenly like myself a year ago after a reaction to a flu vaccine that I had 3 days before.

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kaos2 · 27/09/2024 07:35

llamali · 26/09/2024 22:24

Just press the emergancy stop. It's an emergancy. They can face plant it's fine.

Then I’d get sacked or worse for being negligent .

we have to do training modules and sign off that we won’t do that ffs

Unicorntastic · 27/09/2024 06:18

llamali · 26/09/2024 22:21

I beg your pardon. Where have I slagged them off? They saved my loved one's life that night when many thought them drunk.

Personally I think the police should be better trained so that it isn't an issue contacting the police for keeping people safe

you said this, did you not?

llamali · 26/09/2024 22:24

kaos2 · 25/09/2024 07:36

I work in retail and we are always having incidents as it's a big store .

The other day a child had her trousers stuck in the escalator and I shouted at everyone to not get on it so we could stop it ( otherwise they would face plant ) and the looks as tuts I got .. it's a child ffs 🤦‍♀️

Just press the emergancy stop. It's an emergancy. They can face plant it's fine.

llamali · 26/09/2024 22:21

Unicorntastic · 25/09/2024 06:58

@llamali what are you talking about? What do you actually know about police training? Were you there to see how the situation was dealt with? Police deal with all sorts of incidents so are probably better at assessing a situation than anyone else. Talk about slagging off the emergency services at any given opportunity.

I beg your pardon. Where have I slagged them off? They saved my loved one's life that night when many thought them drunk.

llamali · 26/09/2024 22:19

FictionalCharacter · 25/09/2024 12:20

It isn’t the fact that the police were called that’s the issue. It’s the fact that people were gawping, laughing and filming.

That bit was added later

llamali · 26/09/2024 22:19

socialdilemmawhattodo · 24/09/2024 23:02

My only similar experience was trying to get my husband at the time up stairs at our local station. After he had been severely triggered by a tuna allergy. After dinner out in London. He was stumbling, absolutely unable to bear his own weight, was clearly suffering the start of a massive migraine. I was smaller than him by a lot and was trying to help him up the stairs. Not a single individual came to my assistance because clearly everyone, nearly all professionals, on their way home from work or after evenings out, clearly thought he was drunk. He wasn't. He was having a huge allergic reaction. I was able to get him to our car and drive him home. He was very unwell. But the judgement - fake - still resonates with me today.

Did you ask? If you asked then I'm sorry no one helped.

XenoBitch · 26/09/2024 22:16

SweetSakura · 25/09/2024 07:51

Of course it was reasonable to call the police in these circumstances. Can't you see that?

I would absolutely call the police if I felt there was a danger, even if someone was wearing 20 sunflower lanyards

But would you think it is ok to laugh at , and film someone who was having a struggle in public.. especially if they were wearing a lanyard.

Local FB groups can be a cesspit.. I remember a post from someone poking the fun at a lady who was dancing in the rain in nothing but a see through rain coat. You could see her naked body under it all. They took photos of her, and made comments about how the town was getting worst due to people like her. The lady's daughter commented and asked the post to be removed.. it was her mum, and her mum is bipolar and was very unwell.

I just don't understand what goes through the mind of someone who would complain about being inconvenienced in shop or whatever, because another customer had been taken unwell.

Auburngal · 26/09/2024 07:18

I was flying home from Rome. On the approach to take off, a guy who was sitting three rows in front of me collapsed. Fortunately just in time before we took off. Plane taxied towards terminal where cabin crew and a lady passenger behind me - a nurse attended to him.

Guy was stretchered off and got his suitcase off. The episode meant being delayed for take off just over an hour. People were moaning.

Hopefully none of the moaners were on the Jet2 flight from Bulgaria to Liverpool last Monday as had to land in Cologne as a man fell ill and later died.

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BlueEyedLeucy · 25/09/2024 12:32

Reminds me of my days back in a customer facing environment - being told that if we wanted to assist someone in a medical emergency we had to clock out so it was just us and not ‘us on behalf of the company’ helping…so we couldn’t get them sued if we did it wrong. Fortunately the issue never arose.

FictionalCharacter · 25/09/2024 12:20

llamali · 24/09/2024 22:09

I genuinely don't see why someone shouldn't call the emergancy services during those situations. Someone called the police for someone close to me who was having a severe meltdown on a night out. They thought he was drunk. The police were great and took him somewhere safe. They kept him safe.

It isn’t the fact that the police were called that’s the issue. It’s the fact that people were gawping, laughing and filming.

littleoldme3 · 25/09/2024 08:04

Maverickess · 24/09/2024 22:46

Unfortunately this does not surprise me at all, it would seem that customer service must over ride everything, general health & safety, common sense, manners, the law, other people's health or safety People have become obsessed with it.

It's got ridiculous, and I don't even think it's so much to do with getting free stuff for a complaint as validation and ego stroking.
"Look! I've been the victim of poor customer service, it's tragic, disgusting, appalling and any other over emotional word I can think of" 🙄.

The reactions towards anything slightly going wrong in a customer service environment are becoming more and more disproportionate to what is actually happening. Having to wait a few minutes to be served, having to leave a shop because someone has taken ill, something not being available - it's not exactly a life changing tragedy that's going to affect you for the rest of your life, it's a mild annoyance.

I mean radically, had I been in your shop I'd have offered to help the lady, or you. People have become so individualistic and self absorbed they will actually put their 'experience' buying a pint of milk above someone else's life.

@Maverickess I completely agree! I’ve been a retail manager for 2 businesses since I was 22. First was for 7 years and my current one I’ve been at for 5 years. Some of the things I’ve had complained about are unbelievable 🙄😳

Like a customer complaining that he had to wait for a sales assistant being finished with another customer before he was served 🤔😂 he felt like as he was a regular customer he should have taken priority and been dealt with “in a timely manner” rather than having to wait. We physically fit customers for products and unfortunately sometimes that does mean that there is a slight wait - which I’m sure most people expect, but not him 🙃😂

Or the customer who brought back a (fabric) product that he had stored unused in his damp garage for THIRTEEN years as it had gone mouldy 🤔 he claimed the product was faulty and was absolutely horrified that I refused him a refund. His argument was that he hadn’t been explicitly told that they shouldn’t be stored that way and that his garage is only damp on the ground, and these had been sat on a shelf. It was a pair of shoes. He kicked up absolute shit - complaint to head office, horrendous reviews on every online platform he could find, and he named me personally in them all 🙃

Sidge · 25/09/2024 07:58

I can well believe it. Some people are just self absorbed, entitled arseholes.

I’m a nurse practitioner in a GP surgery. Some years ago we had a patient collapse in cardiac arrest in our waiting room. As we worked on him receptionists cleared the room and moved patients into the corridor, back outside etc.

One woman barged through, literally stepped over me as I was doing CPR and called to the receptionist “but I’ve got an appointment with that nurse, how long will she be?”

SweetSakura · 25/09/2024 07:55

socialdilemmawhattodo · 24/09/2024 23:02

My only similar experience was trying to get my husband at the time up stairs at our local station. After he had been severely triggered by a tuna allergy. After dinner out in London. He was stumbling, absolutely unable to bear his own weight, was clearly suffering the start of a massive migraine. I was smaller than him by a lot and was trying to help him up the stairs. Not a single individual came to my assistance because clearly everyone, nearly all professionals, on their way home from work or after evenings out, clearly thought he was drunk. He wasn't. He was having a huge allergic reaction. I was able to get him to our car and drive him home. He was very unwell. But the judgement - fake - still resonates with me today.

Wtf . If he has had a huge allergic reaction you don't move him anywhere! There is clear advice on that given to anyone with allergies. Exercise/movement exacerbates the reaction.

I think I would assume that if this was a medical issue then a taxi, as a minimum, would have been called.

SweetSakura · 25/09/2024 07:51

XenoBitch · 24/09/2024 22:11

He was not in danger, but he was in meltdown and thought he was. He shouts and swears when he has meltdown. It was handled very badly, as in people shouted back at him. He just needed calm, and removal to a calm space.
He now constantly wears a sunflower lanyard with a card saying he is autistic.

Of course it was reasonable to call the police in these circumstances. Can't you see that?

I would absolutely call the police if I felt there was a danger, even if someone was wearing 20 sunflower lanyards

BananaSplitSandwich · 25/09/2024 07:44

Soubriquet · 24/09/2024 21:50

People are generally rude but I guarantee you that most people weren’t think the had a fit. They probably thought he was passed out drunk and that’s why they were pissed off and walking over him

Still no excuse though

Talk about yourself, that’s not what I would think. Maybe you need to get new mates if all your friends fall over pissed in public places all the time.

littleoldme3 · 25/09/2024 07:42

HotPotato123 · 24/09/2024 22:45

That is horrendous. I would most likely have been sacked for shouting at them that they were fucking arseholes. Would have been worth it.

@HotPotato123 Oh believe me, they didn’t receive a warm welcome when they came back into the shop after paramedics had taken the lady to hospital!! Words were definitely exchanged.

The worst part actually (aside from the poor customer obviously!) was that the two staff members I was in with that day refused to see the other customers out and put the shutter down on the shop to prevent anyone else coming in 😳🙄 They actually stood and argued with me over it as they “weren’t to shut the shop during the day for any circumstances” and wanted no part in it if I was closing the shop during trading hours. Turns out they had been disciplined previously by the business owners when they were left alone for half a day as they had closed the shop to go on a joint cigarette break. And they couldn’t see what was different about this situation 🙄

spuddy4 · 25/09/2024 07:39

Years ago when I worked in Tesco express an elderly person had a heart attack so we cleared the shop and shut to give them some respect. People were knocking the window and getting very aggressive because we wasn't open. Lucky enough the person pulled through but it was scary for our staff who were mostly young students and the lack of compassion and understanding from the public will never ever cease to amaze me.

kaos2 · 25/09/2024 07:36

I work in retail and we are always having incidents as it's a big store .

The other day a child had her trousers stuck in the escalator and I shouted at everyone to not get on it so we could stop it ( otherwise they would face plant ) and the looks as tuts I got .. it's a child ffs 🤦‍♀️

Alaimo · 25/09/2024 07:34

I think it's another reason why everyone should learn first aid. One, you never know when you might be in a situation where it could save someone's life. Two, you're more likely to recognise a first aid scenario and treat the situation with the respect it deserves, by providing space and privacy if others are already administering help.

TerfTalking · 25/09/2024 07:34

My elderly mum has had two
episodes both in Morrisons and Asda, the staff and customers in both went over and beyond to help. I was in tears with their kindness.

endofthelinefinally · 25/09/2024 07:31

I stopped to administer first aid to a young lad knocked off his bike by a car. He was lying in the road and me and a couple of other women were directing traffic round him. The swearing and abuse from drivers was shocking. Some people are disgusting.

pestowithwalnuts · 25/09/2024 07:21

lightsandtunnels · 24/09/2024 21:53

No excuses for this type of behaviour - how awful! But doesn't surprise me at all. Some people are just so freaked out by illness and accident and want to get away. But you're right, if it were one of their loved ones, they'd want them to be looked after.
I fainted on the tube in London years ago. Totally flat on my face on the floor of the train close to the door. Seconds later, the doors opened at a station and people walked over me to get off and people walked over me to get onto the train. Literally didn't give a shit! It was awful - and I lost one of my shoes! Thankfully a couple of people helped me off the train and one lady waited with me until I had recovered and called my DP to get me.

In London this doesn't surprise me ..
How awful for you .

Inliverpoollater23 · 25/09/2024 07:04

I think the problem is that no one learns from incidents like those described or that they have bad manners because no one has the balls any more to point it out. Or they are scared they will get stabbed or filmed and called a “Karen” on social media. How I hate that name used in that way! Society needs far more Karens if you ask me.

Sethera · 25/09/2024 07:04

socialdilemmawhattodo · 24/09/2024 23:02

My only similar experience was trying to get my husband at the time up stairs at our local station. After he had been severely triggered by a tuna allergy. After dinner out in London. He was stumbling, absolutely unable to bear his own weight, was clearly suffering the start of a massive migraine. I was smaller than him by a lot and was trying to help him up the stairs. Not a single individual came to my assistance because clearly everyone, nearly all professionals, on their way home from work or after evenings out, clearly thought he was drunk. He wasn't. He was having a huge allergic reaction. I was able to get him to our car and drive him home. He was very unwell. But the judgement - fake - still resonates with me today.

The problem is that someone appearing in distress in some way is so often a scam tactic nowadays, especially at railway stations. I would be reluctant to intervene for that reason, not because I'd care whether it was illness or too much to drink.

MushMonster · 25/09/2024 07:02

Unbelievable!
All your comments are really worrying.

I must confess I no longer pay much attention to people lying on floors, particularly in the mornings, as there are so many homeless people doing so around here these days (and some can easily turn verbally aggressive). But, as you say, it could be someone who has passed out, so I will be more vigilant.