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AIBU to worry about telling colleagues that I’m going to Israel?

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Doubtfulso · 24/09/2024 13:41

I’ve got a close friends wedding in Israel in 2 months and I am a bridesmaid. She is Israeli and so of course having her wedding in her home country.

I need to book the time off work now, and I work in the kind of company where everyone asks where you’re going or where you’ve been when you book leave.

there’s a lot of anger and strong feelings against Israel at the moment, and I’m worried that colleagues will turn against me or start treating me different when they know that I’m going to Israel.

would I be unreasonable to lie and tell them I’m going somewhere else, or should I be honest?

OP posts:
erwachen · 24/09/2024 15:15

ZarZarGabor · 24/09/2024 15:07

It’s fighting a terrorist organisation and it is also actively committing war crimes, facilitated by the US and UK governments. The October attacks were a barbaric atrocity and the hostages should immediately be released. The Israeli government has, and is, committing terrible war crimes resulting in the deaths on tens of thousands of people. Both are true. I judge someone who supports hamas as much as someone who supports the Israeli government.

Good for you, but I was wondering what the poster I was responding to meant by "no it isn't".

EsmeSusanOgg · 24/09/2024 15:14

I'd say 'I'm going to be a bridesmaid for a good friend'. No need to add any more detail if you're concerned about people making comments..

Mumsntfan1 · 24/09/2024 15:14

ZarZarGabor · 24/09/2024 15:07

It’s fighting a terrorist organisation and it is also actively committing war crimes, facilitated by the US and UK governments. The October attacks were a barbaric atrocity and the hostages should immediately be released. The Israeli government has, and is, committing terrible war crimes resulting in the deaths on tens of thousands of people. Both are true. I judge someone who supports hamas as much as someone who supports the Israeli government.

Nice to know you would judge somebody for supporting Hamas.

RedheadedSoulStealer · 24/09/2024 15:13

Saltedbutter · 24/09/2024 15:09

I clearly said ‘committing’ which is the present tense. Of cause each country has done questionable or terrible things over time.

Apology accepted.

No apology given.

There are plenty of other CURRENT genocides happening that aren't popular enough for people to virtue signal over.

JaneDoeHere · 24/09/2024 15:13

I don’t agree with everywhere other people go. I personally wouldn’t set foot inside Turkey or Dubai for example. However, I have a colleague who visits Dubai regularly to see family and I don’t judge her for it at all. Her photos are always nice too.

MyHouseIsABusStop · 24/09/2024 15:11

@Comedycook no, I would not go to China, nor would I go to Dubai, Abu Dhabi etc and a list of others countries for various human rights violations.

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 15:09

MyHouseIsABusStop · 24/09/2024 15:08

Agree with this. I couldn't possibly travel to a country that is openly committing genocide and expanding their illegal occupation of another state. Just the thought of all those children being starved, maimed, brutalised and murdered right next door would stop me going.

However, this is a workplace, they have no right to comment and you can escalate to HR if needed.

Could you go to China?

Saltedbutter · 24/09/2024 15:09

RedheadedSoulStealer · 24/09/2024 14:47

Your travel options are going to be very limited if you avoid countries that haven't committed war crimes or genocide.

Probably should leave the UK if you're there.

Maybe a yacht in the middle of the ocean?

I'm sorry, but Israel is no worse than many, many other countries and the people who bang on about it need to educate themselves on the atrocities being committed daily elsewhere that don't get nearly as much social media attention.

I clearly said ‘committing’ which is the present tense. Of cause each country has done questionable or terrible things over time.

Apology accepted.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/09/2024 15:09

I'm disgusted with what the Israeli government is doing at the moment but it wouldn't occur to me to judge you for going to a friend's wedding in Israel. I certainly don't hold all Israeli people responsible for what their government is doing at all, and I hope you all have a marvellous time. I might worry a bit about your safety though... things are so volatile at the moment.

The political leadership is absolutely dreadful on both sides of this conflict, but hopefully most people are capable of understanding that the vast majority of civilians, whether they are Israeli, Palestinian, Lebanese or whatever, just want to get on with their lives in peace and without fear. I look forward to a time when that might be possible again.

MyHouseIsABusStop · 24/09/2024 15:08

Saltedbutter · 24/09/2024 13:59

If I’m being honest I’d judge you slightly (and silently) for attending but understand your reasons. If you were going for a holiday I’d expect a much stronger reaction from your colleagues.
If anybody gives you shit, go to HR.

Agree with this. I couldn't possibly travel to a country that is openly committing genocide and expanding their illegal occupation of another state. Just the thought of all those children being starved, maimed, brutalised and murdered right next door would stop me going.

However, this is a workplace, they have no right to comment and you can escalate to HR if needed.

AutumnTimeForCosy24 · 24/09/2024 15:08

@Doubtfulso

personally I wouldn't go, I'm too fearful of the situation.

However, if I was I'd just say 'to my friends wedding, we've been friends xx years & her partner is lovely too. I can't wait to celebrate with them.

if they ask where I'd fudge as long as possible 'it's in her home town, blah blah blah I've been /not been before blah blah.

basically bore them not asking much more.

I wouldn't lie, but I'd avoid avoid avoid as much as possible!

inhop you have a lovely time.

ZarZarGabor · 24/09/2024 15:07

erwachen · 24/09/2024 14:29

It isn't a legitimate state? Or it isn't fighting a terrorist a terrorist organisation? (Or two terrorist organisations right now).

It’s fighting a terrorist organisation and it is also actively committing war crimes, facilitated by the US and UK governments. The October attacks were a barbaric atrocity and the hostages should immediately be released. The Israeli government has, and is, committing terrible war crimes resulting in the deaths on tens of thousands of people. Both are true. I judge someone who supports hamas as much as someone who supports the Israeli government.

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 15:06

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How do you feel about people travelling to China considering the genocide of the Uyghurs?

ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 24/09/2024 15:04

I would lie and say you are going to the Maldives!

ChirrupItMightNotHappen · 24/09/2024 15:04

I am muslim and detest the Israeli government and what they are doing in Palestine. But I also feel awful for the hostages, their families and all the many innocent Israelis who find the actions of the IDF abhorrent.

I would not judge you. You are simply attending a friend’s wedding. I think you are amazing. I confess I would be too scared to go and would discourage any close family from attending. What a great friend you are. You should not have to hide this.

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/09/2024 15:03

Mumsntfan1 · 24/09/2024 14:59

You implied there were only non combatants on one side. Otherwise why would you need to take sides?

I literally put 'side' in those '' to indicate it wasn't a side.

I know it's difficult to be reasonable and measured in these conversations. But I didn't imply anything, you assumed.

Naddd · 24/09/2024 15:03

PurpleChrayn · 24/09/2024 13:56

If you get any grief, report immediately to HR.

Israel is a legitimate state, fighting a war against a terror organisation. It is ingrained antisemitism that makes it the target for attack.

Yeah that's it not the thousands of innocent Palestinians killed, children and babies maimed, left orphans, starving etc not that.
Its antisemitism that's it!

Genevieva · 24/09/2024 15:03

Doubtfulso · 24/09/2024 14:56

I’m going to support a very close friend on her wedding day. She and her family were on one of the kibbutz’s that was attacked by Hamas. Many of her neighbours were murdered or taken hostage and she is displaced in a different city. I think she deserves a bit of happiness on her wedding day.

This is the sort of comment you are going to get. I would say you are being a bridesmaid and not mention the destination country unless asked.

Tralalaka · 24/09/2024 15:02

Honestly if you’re not on the borders you’ll be reasonably safe. I wouldn’t be unduly concerned. The main areas are trying to carry on as normal although there are a lot of anti government protests esp in tel Aviv

vivainsomnia · 24/09/2024 15:00

I agree, tell the truth. Most habitants of Israel are not involved with the war. They want to live their lives as normally as possible, and that includes getting married.

Go and enjoy your time with them if you are ok with the risks. Anyone judging you are probably not worth your time and energy.

Tralalaka · 24/09/2024 15:00

Doubtfulso · 24/09/2024 14:56

I’m going to support a very close friend on her wedding day. She and her family were on one of the kibbutz’s that was attacked by Hamas. Many of her neighbours were murdered or taken hostage and she is displaced in a different city. I think she deserves a bit of happiness on her wedding day.

Correct. Your friend is not the government and shes
deserves your support.

MissMoneyFairy · 24/09/2024 14:59

Doubtfulso · 24/09/2024 14:56

I’m going to support a very close friend on her wedding day. She and her family were on one of the kibbutz’s that was attacked by Hamas. Many of her neighbours were murdered or taken hostage and she is displaced in a different city. I think she deserves a bit of happiness on her wedding day.

Your friend deserves happiness and only you can decide if you feel it's safe for you to visit. Your colleagues don't need to know and there may well be some who don't support you but that's your choice how to deal with them if you do tell them,

Whatafustercluck · 24/09/2024 14:59

Op, I wouldn't judge and I was going to say that others wouldn't either. And then I read some of the replies here. There are lots of strong feelings, and justifiably so, but you just want to be a bridesmaid at your friend's wedding. Lots of people have family and friends out there.

I would however be worried about your safety. Haven't some countries begun advising their citizens not to travel there because the situation is so unpredictable?

Mumsntfan1 · 24/09/2024 14:59

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/09/2024 14:49

No @Mumsntfan1 actual non-combatants. Children, old people, women. You know, the humans who are dead and dying, including the hostages, and the dead children in Gaza.

It's impossible to talk about this without this kind of assumption. Exactly what OP is talking about, but from the other direction.

You implied there were only non combatants on one side. Otherwise why would you need to take sides?

Gettingbysomehow · 24/09/2024 14:58

I don't tell work colleagues anything. They aren't my friends. If anyone asked I'd just say I'm going to a wedding.