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AIBU to worry about telling colleagues that I’m going to Israel?

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Doubtfulso · 24/09/2024 13:41

I’ve got a close friends wedding in Israel in 2 months and I am a bridesmaid. She is Israeli and so of course having her wedding in her home country.

I need to book the time off work now, and I work in the kind of company where everyone asks where you’re going or where you’ve been when you book leave.

there’s a lot of anger and strong feelings against Israel at the moment, and I’m worried that colleagues will turn against me or start treating me different when they know that I’m going to Israel.

would I be unreasonable to lie and tell them I’m going somewhere else, or should I be honest?

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Nightowl1234 · 24/09/2024 16:33

Hatty65 · 24/09/2024 13:55

I would tell the truth and if I got any comments then I'd say calmly, 'I think that's an unacceptable comment to make in the workplace. Please don't repeat it or I shall report you'.

I think any discussion on politics is unacceptable in the workplace and whatever your colleagues personal views they should not be expressing them. It could be deemed as anti semitic I imagine.

Are you serious?!?! Being against the Israeli government action is not the same as being anti-Semitic. And there is absolutely no ban on discussing politics in the workplace. What a ridiculous and dangerous comment.

Sinisterdexter · 24/09/2024 16:30

Saltedbutter · 24/09/2024 13:59

If I’m being honest I’d judge you slightly (and silently) for attending but understand your reasons. If you were going for a holiday I’d expect a much stronger reaction from your colleagues.
If anybody gives you shit, go to HR.

I assume you have not and will not be visiting the US who always have a finger in someone else's pie.

Foxesandsquirrels · 24/09/2024 16:25

I suspect most people will be worried for your safety, not making political comments or assumptions.

Jewnicorn · 24/09/2024 16:24

I am an Israeli Jew. I currently live in the UK but my family are in Israel and I visit several times per year. We live in a border town and I lost two family members in the October massacre.
My experience so far has been that when people find out I am Israeli they express concern for my family’s safety and ask about my experiences of growing up there. I’ve had the occasional negative comment but as I point out, it’s not like I had any say about where I fell out of my mother. I also didn’t vote for Netanyahu BUT I also can’t claim I know the answers for how the situation should have been dealt with.
Conversely, I’ve had more abuse from people about the situation in Israel when they’ve found out on Jewish without knowing my nationality. This is purely anecdotal and could be pure bad luck, but it makes the whole ‘antizionist not antisemitic’ line I keep hearing very hard to swallow.

So with that in mind I’d say don’t hide where you’re going. Israel is a beautiful country with such a rich culture, wonderful food, friendly people etc. People may well be concerned for your safety but you can reassure them. Enjoy the wedding 💜

TalkSomeSense2 · 24/09/2024 16:24

Hatty65 · 24/09/2024 13:55

I would tell the truth and if I got any comments then I'd say calmly, 'I think that's an unacceptable comment to make in the workplace. Please don't repeat it or I shall report you'.

I think any discussion on politics is unacceptable in the workplace and whatever your colleagues personal views they should not be expressing them. It could be deemed as anti semitic I imagine.

Massive difference between being Jewish and being Israeli. You aren't anti-semitic to disagree with what Israel are doing. And I say that as someone who is Jewish.

Jewishbookworm · 24/09/2024 16:23

scorpio931 · 24/09/2024 15:48

OP, I'm not sure whether you've been to Israel before but just wanted to give you a bit of friendly advice before your trip.
If you happen to be non-white and (to a lesser extent non Jewish), please allow yourself extra time for clearing immigration and getting through passport control. Be prepared for some extremely invasive questioning - particularly around financial stuff, details of and Arab or Muslim sounds contact names stored in your phone and so on.
I've been a regular visitor over the last 20 or so years (work related) and I'm not white. I'm from a black Carribean background and have no involvement in anything political. Without failure, I get "randomly" selected for the special treatment each time... Same happens to a few of my black Jewish friends from Ethiopian backgrounds who are settled in London but visit Israel.
I've watched with curiously each time...It goes like this:
Flight lands and yellow-vested security personal are scanning everyone disembarking the flight. Anyone non-white or visibly Muslim (even if white) are "selected" to be taken away for questioning.
So, just wanted to make you aware of this.
A cursory google search of "harassment in Tel Aviv Airport" would yield countless stories.

I am Jewish and British (and white) and get extensively grilled by Israeli security. Once they tested my knowledge of Jewish holidays for example. There are many black Israelis, I am sure the security suss out pretty quickly if they are questioning an Israeli.

Also approx 50% or more of Jewish Israelis are not white. Descended from Iraqi, Iranian, Yemenite, Syrian, North African etc Jews. I am Jewish and know plenty of non white Jews and still have a hard time telling if they are Jewish or Muslim until I actually speak to them.

So quite funny that you think non white people have a harder time with Israeli security. Its likely anyone who is not obviously Israeli/Jewish who get extra grilling.

stanleypops66 · 24/09/2024 16:21

Op head over to the CITME pages. There are posters arguing that it's 'not business as usual' there and denied that Israeli people were going to work, having meals etc, even in the 'nice' parts apparently. T

Anyway I wouldn't go as it's majorly kicking off and there doesn't seem to be an end in sight.

blackcherryconserve · 24/09/2024 16:20

Rosscameasdoody · 24/09/2024 15:49

Ridiculous isn’t it ? I’ve seen many comments on many different SM sites including MN from Jewish people expressing their opposition to what the lsraeli government is doing. So Jews are anti - semites too according to this poster.

Yes some Jews hate what is happening and some are also sntisemites
There are famous household names who happen to be Jewish and are known antisemites.

Fluufer · 24/09/2024 16:14

I don't think most people would you grief. But I do think it's wildly irresponsible to travel into a war zone for a wedding. I hope you won't expect to be evacuated.

EasternStandard · 24/09/2024 16:13

Conkersinautumn · 24/09/2024 15:56

Triple check your insurance. Getting cover for a country actively engaged in a war isn't easy.

Op can you say more about your insurance?

How does it cover you

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 16:12

Saltedbutter · 24/09/2024 16:08

I don’t see anybody who’s pro-Israel being labeled as Islamophobic. You’re allowed to disagree with the actions of a country without hating a population/race/religion

You've spectacularly missed the point.

It is extremely rare for anyone to be called an anti semite for just opposing the Israeli government... however we are constantly told that's what we're doing..and we are constantly told that we are imagining anti semitism . We are constantly told other Jews say xyz, so why don't we?

Saltedbutter · 24/09/2024 16:12

erwachen · 24/09/2024 16:10

Good thing no one is saying otherwise.

There’s several times in this thread alone that the term ‘antisemite’ has been thrown around where it doesn’t seem warranted.

doodleschnoodle · 24/09/2024 16:12

I think it's bonkers to be choosing to fly into Israel right now, and I can imagine it'll only be worse in two months. I have a friend near Tel Aviv who is frequently posting on FB about the sirens going off and posting videos of drones and rockets overhead, and it looks like it's about to descend into all-out war in the region very soon, so going for what is essentially a leisure trip is what would make me raise my eyebrows, not any comment on the destination itself. It would entirely be the safety thing and I would definitely think it was very ill-judged, although I would keep my opinion and comments to myself.

I hope you all stay safe.

KnittedCardi · 24/09/2024 16:11

DD has been invited by her best friend, to be bridesmaid, next year in Israel. She is declining because of safety concerns.

She is English, her DM and all her friends are here. She has chosen to have her wedding in Israel, and sadly most people won't be going

erwachen · 24/09/2024 16:10

Saltedbutter · 24/09/2024 16:08

I don’t see anybody who’s pro-Israel being labeled as Islamophobic. You’re allowed to disagree with the actions of a country without hating a population/race/religion

Good thing no one is saying otherwise.

erwachen · 24/09/2024 16:10

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There has been a significant increase, as a result of antisemites being antisemitic.

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 16:10

MyHouseIsABusStop · 24/09/2024 16:08

@Comedycook Sure thing 😅😅😅

Pleased you find it so funny

MyHouseIsABusStop · 24/09/2024 16:08

@Comedycook Sure thing 😅😅😅

Saltedbutter · 24/09/2024 16:08

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 16:05

Another boring tiresome argument....that apparently anyone who criticises Israel is called an anti semite. It's just not true. And like a pp said anti semitism is at an all time high and anytime we try to call it out we are told it's not happening.

I don’t see anybody who’s pro-Israel being labeled as Islamophobic. You’re allowed to disagree with the actions of a country without hating a population/race/religion

Liv999 · 24/09/2024 16:08

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 15:51

This argument is very tiresome and not particularly original

Very true though

Blueblell · 24/09/2024 16:08

I wouldn’t judge at all and neither should anyone else.

If you were a close friend I might ask you if you really expect to actually be able to get there given what might be happening in the region in 2 months time.

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 16:07

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What a load of nonsense you're spouting and that's being polite.

MyHouseIsABusStop · 24/09/2024 16:06

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DivorcingMomma · 24/09/2024 16:05

In all honesty, id be concerned for your safety. I wouldn’t think anything bad about it.

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 16:05

MyHouseIsABusStop · 24/09/2024 16:00

Completely agree... you can call out genocide and war crimes, without being antisemitic. So sick of any criticism of Israel and its abhorrent actions being cast aside because every last one of the critics are apparently just being antisemitic 🙄

Another boring tiresome argument....that apparently anyone who criticises Israel is called an anti semite. It's just not true. And like a pp said anti semitism is at an all time high and anytime we try to call it out we are told it's not happening.