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AIBU to worry about telling colleagues that I’m going to Israel?

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Doubtfulso · 24/09/2024 13:41

I’ve got a close friends wedding in Israel in 2 months and I am a bridesmaid. She is Israeli and so of course having her wedding in her home country.

I need to book the time off work now, and I work in the kind of company where everyone asks where you’re going or where you’ve been when you book leave.

there’s a lot of anger and strong feelings against Israel at the moment, and I’m worried that colleagues will turn against me or start treating me different when they know that I’m going to Israel.

would I be unreasonable to lie and tell them I’m going somewhere else, or should I be honest?

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Nightowl1234 · 24/09/2024 16:54

erwachen · 24/09/2024 16:51

Really? You think antisemitism rates are so high because people are lying about what antisemitism is?

I suppose the increased security around synagogues and Jewish schools is in case people criticise the Israeli government at them.

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Yes. No matter how much this Israeli government try to claim any criticism of them is anti-Semitic, it is not. They are trying to use fear of being labelled an antisemite as a means to suppress dissent or criticism of their abhorrent actions.

rainfallpurevividcat · 24/09/2024 16:53

Nightowl1234 · 24/09/2024 16:45

People are entitled to their opinion. Some people would go, others wouldn’t. For some people, it might offend their morality to visit a country and put money into an economy that was committing war crimes. If that doesn’t offend your morality, then by all means go. If some people judge you, so be it.

They are free to feel that way but they should keep their views to themselves at work about a colleague travelling to a family wedding. It really is absolutely none of their business, and not their place to comment.

erwachen · 24/09/2024 16:51

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Really? You think antisemitism rates are so high because people are lying about what antisemitism is?

I suppose the increased security around synagogues and Jewish schools is in case people criticise the Israeli government at them.

Saltedbutter · 24/09/2024 16:51

llamali · 24/09/2024 16:48

Really? She's going for a wedding

I’m not sure what angle you’re commenting from. Are you saying you wouldn’t understand her reason for travelling? I’ve said I do understand.

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 16:50

Wasityoubecayse · 24/09/2024 16:48

I think virtual signalling through passive-aggressive nonsense is a sign of a pathetic mind. So because I visit my family in Zimbabwe, I cosign the state. Bully in liberal clothing.

Bully in liberal clothing....love that phrase! So accurate

llamali · 24/09/2024 16:49

babyproblems · 24/09/2024 16:46

I wouldn’t say anything - but I am quite shocked you are travelling there at this time tbh! I would be really concerned about safety… I thought the UK gov stance currently was do not travel there.

And yet you still can fly there

llamali · 24/09/2024 16:48

Saltedbutter · 24/09/2024 13:59

If I’m being honest I’d judge you slightly (and silently) for attending but understand your reasons. If you were going for a holiday I’d expect a much stronger reaction from your colleagues.
If anybody gives you shit, go to HR.

Really? She's going for a wedding

Wasityoubecayse · 24/09/2024 16:48

I think virtual signalling through passive-aggressive nonsense is a sign of a pathetic mind. So because I visit my family in Zimbabwe, I cosign the state. Bully in liberal clothing.

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 16:47

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So fed up with having to read absolute crap like this

erwachen · 24/09/2024 16:47

Saltedbutter · 24/09/2024 16:12

There’s several times in this thread alone that the term ‘antisemite’ has been thrown around where it doesn’t seem warranted.

Who has said that you can't disagree with the actions of a country without hating a population/race/religion?

blackcherryconserve · 24/09/2024 16:47

TalkSomeSense2 · 24/09/2024 16:24

Massive difference between being Jewish and being Israeli. You aren't anti-semitic to disagree with what Israel are doing. And I say that as someone who is Jewish.

For some of us who are Jewish there is no difference at all between us and Israelis. They are all family.

babyproblems · 24/09/2024 16:46

I wouldn’t say anything - but I am quite shocked you are travelling there at this time tbh! I would be really concerned about safety… I thought the UK gov stance currently was do not travel there.

Sleepersausage · 24/09/2024 16:46

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Wasityoubecayse · 24/09/2024 16:45

Also, bloody hell, I can't believe the Israeli information management would bother with Mumsnet. No one wants to see you fall, but we believe in the humanity of the Palestinians and Lebonaese. Russia has used the moment, but the long term, isn't it better for a frosty peace. Is Benjamin the only man who can run the country?

Nightowl1234 · 24/09/2024 16:45

rainfallpurevividcat · 24/09/2024 16:43

No it doesn't.

It indicates someone is going to a family wedding.

People are entitled to their opinion. Some people would go, others wouldn’t. For some people, it might offend their morality to visit a country and put money into an economy that was committing war crimes. If that doesn’t offend your morality, then by all means go. If some people judge you, so be it.

rainfallpurevividcat · 24/09/2024 16:43

Nightowl1234 · 24/09/2024 16:42

I guess for the same reason a person might legitimately judge someone who was holidaying in South Africa during apartheid. It indicates tacit support for a state and government committing crimes against humanity and breaching international law.

No it doesn't.

It indicates someone is going to a family wedding.

Nightowl1234 · 24/09/2024 16:42

thebestinterest · 24/09/2024 15:51

Why would you judge her? Serious question.???

I guess for the same reason a person might legitimately judge someone who was holidaying in South Africa during apartheid. It indicates tacit support for a state and government committing crimes against humanity and breaching international law.

Wasityoubecayse · 24/09/2024 16:40

Israel really is a democratic state i cant understand what people are saying here you will travel to america france asia and understand they do ni not share your politcs. Its like libraials are secretlty authourtarian you must believe our words or we will destroy you. Weird man. Also dont believe your worry is normal or perhaps e never encountered in a working enviorment where id get a judgemental racisit responce for a holiday. Hezbollah clearly started a fight they cant win. Israelli govetnment inder current leadee is clearly unfit and genocidal towards palastines. For god sake its like not going to new york because donald trump was preisent absouloute bunch of predjudiced individuals. Because eveeyy british pwrson is rsponsible for boris johnson thefefore.....

Doubtfulso · 24/09/2024 16:40

If it was some random people, or so called ‘friends’ that took issue with me going, I wouldn’t care.

I only care about colleagues because they have the ability to shape and control my progression in my career, especially anyone senior to me. But I’m leaning towards telling them the truth, and hopefully people won’t be brave enough to come out with anything too offensive.

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zendeveloper · 24/09/2024 16:40

A (native British) colleague went to Russia for a holiday a few months ago, came gushing about what an amazing highly cultured country it is and what a shame it is treated so unfriendly with direct flights cancelled. No one said a word, although the silence was so thick you could cut it with a knife. I think you'll be fine, OP.

Sleepersausage · 24/09/2024 16:39

Mumsntfan1 · 24/09/2024 14:46

Which 'non combatants'? They ones who attacked Israel and are still holding hostages including a one year old child?

All the civilians that are dying, fucking obviously

israelilefty · 24/09/2024 16:39

I'm Jewish-Israeli. I've visted Europe/UK (4 countries in total) a few times for work since the war. I absolutely understand your question. Indeed, I was sitting with a Palestinian-Israeli colleague on a train in a European country, I was having a nice chat with the woman opposite me, then eventually she asked "where are you from?" and both my colleague and I burst out laughing because before we left we had discussed simply saying a random country in a situation like this to avoid "the conversation". Anyway, she just wanted to know whether I had any great ideas about how the conflict will end, and I don't really but gave her the best "insights" I've got, then we went back to normal conversation.

My experience, both with strangers and with overseas colleagues, has overwhelmingly been that even when I know people are vehemently pro-Palestine/anti-Israel, they don't come out with the kind of aggressive political comments we see on this thread to my face, maybe simply because most people are not interested in picking fights. In the vast majority of cases, people are just curious to hear a bit about what things are like behind the headlines, they are sympathetic to the challenges of living in a conflict zone, and sometimes they are itching to ask questions. In a minority of cases, people were polite but basically ignored me.

So I think you'll be fine, and in reality, there's a lot less political flame throwing in real life than on the internet, and obviously it helps if you keep the conversation to personal experiences rather than political opinions.

Gwenhwyfar · 24/09/2024 16:36

TalkSomeSense2 · 24/09/2024 16:24

Massive difference between being Jewish and being Israeli. You aren't anti-semitic to disagree with what Israel are doing. And I say that as someone who is Jewish.

Yes, and if you reported a colleague for being anti-semitic for disagreeing with the Israeli government, they could report you back for diffamation.

Gwenhwyfar · 24/09/2024 16:35

"I think any discussion on politics is unacceptable in the workplace"

It totally depends on the workplace doesn't it. Plenty of workplaces are ideological or political to begin with.

Gwenhwyfar · 24/09/2024 16:33

Stompythedinosaur · 24/09/2024 14:27

I understand why you are going, but tbh I think I just wouldn't share where you're going if you want a quiet life.

I think the pps who assume everyone will "only be worried about your safety" are being unrealistic. Whether or not it's correct, there is a huge amount of concern currently about Israel's actions. It's an emotive topic.

I agree.
I would tell the truth, when you start making up stories you forget what you've told to whom and it gets complicated, but I would make it clear that the wedding is there because the bride is Israeli so it's not you who's chosen the destination.

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