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AIBU to worry about telling colleagues that I’m going to Israel?

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Doubtfulso · 24/09/2024 13:41

I’ve got a close friends wedding in Israel in 2 months and I am a bridesmaid. She is Israeli and so of course having her wedding in her home country.

I need to book the time off work now, and I work in the kind of company where everyone asks where you’re going or where you’ve been when you book leave.

there’s a lot of anger and strong feelings against Israel at the moment, and I’m worried that colleagues will turn against me or start treating me different when they know that I’m going to Israel.

would I be unreasonable to lie and tell them I’m going somewhere else, or should I be honest?

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DottieMoon · 24/09/2024 17:27

TheWayTheLightFalls · 24/09/2024 13:58

Also, and speaking as a Jew with Israeli family - I think it's fine to say "It's terrible what's going on there just now, I hope everything calms down soon." Anodyne but hard to pick a fight with.

Most of us are also rather disenchanted with what we're seeing OP, you aren't alone there!

I would definitely not say this. Hope ‘everything calms down’….it’s a genocide not a few protests. This would rub ALOT of people up the wrong way by minimalizing the situation.

I would just be honest and say why you’re going and nothing more

Kaete · 24/09/2024 17:26

I can only speak for myself, I am very much against the actions of the Israeli government and the atrocities committed by them and the IDF. I can only hope I see Netanyahu and his cronies seriously punished in the international courts for what has happened, and even then it wouldn't bring back all the innocent people they have killed.
I wouldn't have an opinion on anyone going to a wedding in Israel, if your friend is Israeli it makes sense to have her wedding there. I wouldn't relate the event to the actions of a government at all.
Would I go there myself? I'd have to say probably not, as I wouldn't want to indirectly show support through tourism and paying into the economy, but each to their own.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/09/2024 17:25

When I was travelling to a place I knew I would get judgment and/or concern for travelling to - but not, I stress, a country whose regime is before the courts for genocide - I didn't tell people at work. I couldn't be bothered with judgment/concern or questions as to my risk appetite (working in a conservative organisation). I just said I was spending some time with my mother in Hampshire - something so supremely uninteresting nobody asked anything further

ChallahPlaiter · 24/09/2024 17:25

pleasehelpwi3 · 24/09/2024 17:24

My great great grandparents changed their Polish Jewish name to one that still sounded rather Jewish when they came here...
I disagree that you have to be an expert to have an opinion on the Middle Eastern affairs, even if does help. I wonder if you'd call my opinions- totally in favour of Israel's right to exist within its pre-1967 borders, and totally against Hamas terrorism and Israel's completely over-the-top response to it- anti-Semitic?

Not at all. I can’t think why I would?

pleasehelpwi3 · 24/09/2024 17:24

ChallahPlaiter · 24/09/2024 17:06

No I wouldn’t say where I was going. I don’t even tell people at work I’m Jewish any more and I’m as secular as it gets.
I’m sick of listening to people opine about things they don’t understand using language that they think disguises or mitigates their antisemitism. My great great grandparents who changed their name to appear less openly Jewish would surely be upset to know it’s still something that some of us feel we have to hide.

My great great grandparents changed their Polish Jewish name to one that still sounded rather Jewish when they came here...
I disagree that you have to be an expert to have an opinion on the Middle Eastern affairs, even if does help. I wonder if you'd call my opinions- totally in favour of Israel's right to exist within its pre-1967 borders, and totally against Hamas terrorism and Israel's completely over-the-top response to it- anti-Semitic?

ChallahPlaiter · 24/09/2024 17:21

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Do you understand what Zionism is? And that the majority of Jews support it in some form?

I try not to get involved in these types of threads for obvious reasons. But having had a Socialist Worker seller screeching in my ear about the need to eliminate Zionism, I’m curious to know what people imagine it to be.

pleasehelpwi3 · 24/09/2024 17:19

Discretion is the better part of valour in this case I think.

HowToSaveAWife · 24/09/2024 17:16

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Wasityoubecayse · 24/09/2024 17:09

The black British experience can testify that the Israeli government is hostile to us. Ignore the poster who discounted the other person. The current government has members who openly call my people animals. I in no way support the big baby bibi BBB. But that would stop me from going to a wedding. Find an Israeli on the other side or in the airport if you're nervous. But be careful not to choose as Israeli, who will become enraged that you may have been offended and, though being about 85 and 5 feet, visibly prepare themselves to attack the border guards. Trust me, pick a millennial and a chill person.

ChallahPlaiter · 24/09/2024 17:06

No I wouldn’t say where I was going. I don’t even tell people at work I’m Jewish any more and I’m as secular as it gets.
I’m sick of listening to people opine about things they don’t understand using language that they think disguises or mitigates their antisemitism. My great great grandparents who changed their name to appear less openly Jewish would surely be upset to know it’s still something that some of us feel we have to hide.

Firealarm1414 · 24/09/2024 17:06

erwachen · 24/09/2024 17:00

So what percentage of people who report antisemitism are lying do you think? Last I chrcked rates are up 50% from the same time last year, so fifty percent of teports are about people being critical of Netanyahu? How many of thr Jewish people who are scared to go about their day are simply frightened of people criticising a foreign government? The increase in damage to Jewish property, the increase in threats to Jewish schools, the vandalism of Holocaust memorials, that's just because people don't like what's happening in Gaza is it?

Even the Amy winehouse statue was vandalized. I don't recall her being an outspoken supporter of Israel or even saying anything about them? It was the fact that Amy was proudly Jewish so the statue features a star of David which some people deemed objectionable. But yeah it's totally just about Israel and gaza 🙄

some people are just being wilfully ignorant at this stage if they deny that general anti semitism plays a big part in what's been going on lately.

betterangels · 24/09/2024 17:05

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 17:03

As if anti semetism didn't exist before 1948....

On point.

JaneDoeHere · 24/09/2024 17:03

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No it’s not.

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 17:03

As if anti semetism didn't exist before 1948....

erwachen · 24/09/2024 17:01

Sleepersausage · 24/09/2024 16:58

Yes I do, same way the Iranian government coined the term islamaphobia to try and silence criticism of it's horrendous behaviour. But pp above me has put it more eloquently, using fear of being labelled antisemitic to shut down criticism. I don't deny that antisemitism has increased more widely but I think there's a pretty obvious explanation for that

See my previous post.

I don't deny that antisemitism has increased more widely but I think there's a pretty obvious explanation for that.

Yes, the explanation is that antisemitic cunts feel more free to be antisemitic cunts.

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 17:01

Sleepersausage · 24/09/2024 16:58

Yes I do, same way the Iranian government coined the term islamaphobia to try and silence criticism of it's horrendous behaviour. But pp above me has put it more eloquently, using fear of being labelled antisemitic to shut down criticism. I don't deny that antisemitism has increased more widely but I think there's a pretty obvious explanation for that

What's that then?

erwachen · 24/09/2024 17:00

Nightowl1234 · 24/09/2024 16:54

Yes. No matter how much this Israeli government try to claim any criticism of them is anti-Semitic, it is not. They are trying to use fear of being labelled an antisemite as a means to suppress dissent or criticism of their abhorrent actions.

So what percentage of people who report antisemitism are lying do you think? Last I chrcked rates are up 50% from the same time last year, so fifty percent of teports are about people being critical of Netanyahu? How many of thr Jewish people who are scared to go about their day are simply frightened of people criticising a foreign government? The increase in damage to Jewish property, the increase in threats to Jewish schools, the vandalism of Holocaust memorials, that's just because people don't like what's happening in Gaza is it?

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 24/09/2024 16:59

I'd be worried about my safety in Israel and wouldn't go for that reason. That's the only thing that comes to mind.

I am extremely critical of Israel's policies and have been for many years.
But if my dear friend from Israel invited me to the most important event of her life, in her home country, surrounded by her favourite and most important people, I would have no problem telling friends and colleagues I'm off to Israel to celebrate my friend's marriage.
You're not Bibi or Ben-Gvir or the rest. You're just a person going to your friends wedding. Mazel to your friend and have a great time. I sure hope things calm down by the time you go. That would be great for the whole planet, but mostly for the Palestinian and Lebanese people who are suffering the unfathomable.

Sleepersausage · 24/09/2024 16:58

erwachen · 24/09/2024 16:51

Really? You think antisemitism rates are so high because people are lying about what antisemitism is?

I suppose the increased security around synagogues and Jewish schools is in case people criticise the Israeli government at them.

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Yes I do, same way the Iranian government coined the term islamaphobia to try and silence criticism of it's horrendous behaviour. But pp above me has put it more eloquently, using fear of being labelled antisemitic to shut down criticism. I don't deny that antisemitism has increased more widely but I think there's a pretty obvious explanation for that

Comedycook · 24/09/2024 16:58

Nightowl1234 · 24/09/2024 16:54

Yes. No matter how much this Israeli government try to claim any criticism of them is anti-Semitic, it is not. They are trying to use fear of being labelled an antisemite as a means to suppress dissent or criticism of their abhorrent actions.

What are you even trying to say? Just out of interest...how do you define anti semetism?

ZarZarGabor · 24/09/2024 16:58

Jewnicorn · 24/09/2024 16:24

I am an Israeli Jew. I currently live in the UK but my family are in Israel and I visit several times per year. We live in a border town and I lost two family members in the October massacre.
My experience so far has been that when people find out I am Israeli they express concern for my family’s safety and ask about my experiences of growing up there. I’ve had the occasional negative comment but as I point out, it’s not like I had any say about where I fell out of my mother. I also didn’t vote for Netanyahu BUT I also can’t claim I know the answers for how the situation should have been dealt with.
Conversely, I’ve had more abuse from people about the situation in Israel when they’ve found out on Jewish without knowing my nationality. This is purely anecdotal and could be pure bad luck, but it makes the whole ‘antizionist not antisemitic’ line I keep hearing very hard to swallow.

So with that in mind I’d say don’t hide where you’re going. Israel is a beautiful country with such a rich culture, wonderful food, friendly people etc. People may well be concerned for your safety but you can reassure them. Enjoy the wedding 💜

I’m so sorry for your loss last October and the abuse you have had since

llamali · 24/09/2024 16:56

Gwenhwyfar · 24/09/2024 16:33

I agree.
I would tell the truth, when you start making up stories you forget what you've told to whom and it gets complicated, but I would make it clear that the wedding is there because the bride is Israeli so it's not you who's chosen the destination.

Why on earth would anyone think OP decided where the wedding should be?

Walrusdress · 24/09/2024 16:55

People judge others for anything and everything so expect to be purposely misunderstood and talked about by those around you.

RedHelenB · 24/09/2024 16:55

Just say you're going to a wedding if you dont want to risk any ill feeling . They'll probably assume it's in this country

Firealarm1414 · 24/09/2024 16:55

Nightowl1234 · 24/09/2024 16:42

I guess for the same reason a person might legitimately judge someone who was holidaying in South Africa during apartheid. It indicates tacit support for a state and government committing crimes against humanity and breaching international law.

Or maybe she is going to support her good friend at her wedding? If you would really destroy a presumably long friendship just because the person happens to be a nationality you don't like and has the temerity to want to get married in their own country, then you have bigger issues and I'd legitimately judge that more than visiting israel for a wedding tbh.