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AIBU to be irritated at new neighbour (parking)

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FrozenLimeMargarita · 24/09/2024 13:01

Visualise a London road of the slightly wider villa-style Victorian terrace houses. The road is single track, one way. Parking is in this parallel to the road format:

/|-@-/|-@-/|\

They are little bays marked up for two cars lengthways, then the bay terminates in a traffic-calming outcrop with a big oak tree before dipping back in as the next bay starts then pops back out with another tree and so on. These bays are on either side of the road. There are 10 bays in total and 10 houses. So spaces for 20 cars. There is little to no other parking locally as it is more of the same style streets on either side.

However, these bays do not belong to each house they are just a version of on-road parking. Whilst we all have never agreed to just use the two nearest your house, the road has a consensus that there are 20 spaces for 10 houses so that's has been what has happened over the years. Each house has two spaces and it's the two spaces nearest your door. We knock and ask, or trade off places if there are visitors or a household has an extra car. For example Vera* down the end only has one car but Betty uses the other space on an agreement for when her granddaughter stays, which is most days and so on.

A new neighbour moved in 6 weeks ago and has......

One VW camper (takes up a two bay)
One works van (takes up a two bay)
A tonka toy type truck (takes up a two bay)
and a family of 5 each with a car

So while I understand none of us own the road but buying a house with the knowledge that you have enough vehicles to wipe out over half the whole roads parking is just straight-up CF behaviour.

AIBU

OP posts:
Allfur · 03/10/2024 13:41

Given they live in a capital city, could they think about using public transport/walking/and cycling, are they going to live in the stone age forever?

Lemonadeand · 03/10/2024 13:36

MissJoGrant · 24/09/2024 13:33

Where do you think they should put their vehicles?

In a garage or on private land. Far too many vehicles for one household to keep on public roads.

Ivehearditbothways · 03/10/2024 13:10

sandyhappypeople · 03/10/2024 13:03

That really is a 'them' problem, and shouldn't be the problem of everyone else on the street, why buy a house with no off road parking and very limited street parking when you have eight vehicles? Madness.

Yup. My cousin has multiple cars along with a couple of tractors (as he is a contractor who works independently and is hired to do railway work etc so needs his own tractors and equipment). He could have parked them up on his residential street, it was allowed. Instead, he moved house and bought somewhere with a decent bit of land round the back with tall trees and he turned it into parking for his vehicles which are mostly blocked by the trees so residents don’t have to look at them. Best he could do, because he didn’t want to be a dickhead.

sandyhappypeople · 03/10/2024 13:03

MissJoGrant · 24/09/2024 13:33

Where do you think they should put their vehicles?

That really is a 'them' problem, and shouldn't be the problem of everyone else on the street, why buy a house with no off road parking and very limited street parking when you have eight vehicles? Madness.

Beautiful3 · 03/10/2024 12:54

Tengreenbottles2 · 03/10/2024 11:21

Wow, I was reading the OP all ready to be all "you don't own the road, they can park where they want", but one family effectively taking up ELEVEN bays?? absolutely ridiculous. Keep up the affront until they get tired of being so selfish I say.

My sentiments exactly.

Tengreenbottles2 · 03/10/2024 11:21

Wow, I was reading the OP all ready to be all "you don't own the road, they can park where they want", but one family effectively taking up ELEVEN bays?? absolutely ridiculous. Keep up the affront until they get tired of being so selfish I say.

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 03/10/2024 11:19

If they start harassing neighbours they might find a few visits from the police more annoying than having to park their 5 vehicles somewhere else.

FrozenLimeMargarita · 03/10/2024 10:55

To the person who asked what they did with their long vehicles - The VW van didnt move, so no one was able to half and half that space. Only the tonka truck moved and the two elderly ladies who moved their cars into the spot don't drive often so the space will be blocked for a while.

The half and half worked with all other other cars in that everyone got back two spaces - with the VW van taking up the two spaces for the BCF. Where BCF are now parking the rest of their cars I don't know.

The elderly ladies, one older gent and two families on the street are pushing hard to keep the half and half rather than everyone being penalised with the huge expense of asking for parking enforcement. COL has impacted a number of them, some are on fixed incomes and they would like not to have another significant yearly expense.

I think the next time it rains or the BCF family has a large shop or people visiting they are going to see the blocked spaces and just start hammering on doors and it is going to end in tears.

OP posts:
Brobdingnagian · 02/10/2024 12:56

Poor Vera. That is shocking behaviour! NGL, I wouldn’t condone letting the tyres down, but I would secretly think they quite deserved it.

Ivehearditbothways · 01/10/2024 23:26

That was meant to say what have they done with the long vehicles. That’s why I get for typing without my glasses!

Ivehearditbothways · 01/10/2024 23:11

What have the done with the king vehicles if you guys have managed to block off the double length spaces?

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 01/10/2024 17:40

Absolute low life intimidating an elderly lady.
Hope you get your TPOs and they can't park more than 2 vehicles in the street at all.

FrozenLimeMargarita · 01/10/2024 14:24

Sorry - I didn't realise there would be requests for updates I only posted to have a rant.

Half and half worked to a degree......BUT.... BCF decided to knock on the door of Vera* on Sunday to complain upsetting her. Vera is not a 'near' neighbour and neither was she participating in the half-and-half so cynically I feel they went for a soft target.

Vera was so upset that she asked everyone to stop the half and half, but everyone was outraged and it caused a frankly unacceptable escalation where BCF came out Monday morning to find a number of their cars had flat tyres. (air being let out not slashed)

No one is owning up and BCF is creating merry hell about a toxic and unwelcoming street while heavily hinting that it is racially motivated. (trust me, it is just about the parking)

It's been quiet since and they came out to their cars being untouched this morning.

I want to be clear here, the tyres thing should not have happened, no one I spoke to has condoned it at all and we are genuinely stumped about who did it - it was not caught on a few ring doorbells in the street so whoever it was has ninja skills.

We are all due to have a talk about permits at the end of the week. The whole street is in agreement about TPOs and the Uni Lass is on it with the local auth. For the poster that asked re Telly Hill, other side of the river but about the same distance out from central.

OP posts:
Ivehearditbothways · 01/10/2024 08:02

It’s going to be a problem which doesn’t have an end. You won’t be able to drive them off the street, you won’t be able to keep up the game of musical cars. I know the permits are a cost issue, but it really is the only way to limit their parking.
Hope something works out!

ludocris · 01/10/2024 07:46

Hope everything has worked out OP. NGL I was hoping for live updates over the weekend, but perhaps you were too busy shuffling cars around!

ludocris · 29/09/2024 08:13

Is there any update on this OP? Have you and your neighbours been able to carry out your silent protest?

BruceAndNosh · 28/09/2024 15:35

Our neighbours with the 6 cars finally moved Hooray! But they moved further into London. I wonder how they managed in Fulham to find spaces? Possibly double parking and pissing off their new neighbours

EdgeOfSixty · 28/09/2024 13:16

Ozanj · 26/09/2024 16:04

If you can’t afford to buy a house with a driveway / garage / carpark this is going to happen. It’s not the new family’s problem.

It is the new family's fault. They chose to move to a street without sufficient parking. They don't need 8 vehicles, they just want 8 vehicles, and to hell with their neighbours.
They should have moved to outer London where property is a bit cheaper and there's more space on driveways and the street.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 28/09/2024 13:12

CarlaH · 28/09/2024 12:19

How does it work when visiting other people? If everybody who owns a car has to have a parking space where they live that's fine but presumably they don't have a spare space for a visitor?

In a city, people would tend to use public transport most of the time, but if you come by car, you’d generally find one of the small private car parks (they are dotted around here and there) and pay for parking there, then walk to your friend’s house from there. Depending on circumstances, parking briefly on the street during daytime can sometimes be OK, but if it’s more than a short period you’d need to find an actual car park and walk, or risk getting a ticket. Overnight street parking is always a no-no, as it’s classified as blocking the public highway.

In the countryside, where of course most journeys longer than walking distance tend to involve a car, most people have driveways with some extra space. Here, most houses are new as there is not the tendency to preserve old houses, so rural houses are built to have some parking capacity (I really love the look of English villages with the pretty old stone houses, but the combination of rural living and old cottages with no off street parking can be quite tricky to manage), but also if it’s really rural, there is more leeway for bending the rules and you can probably find some random around spaces where nobody minds you parking a car.

Blushingm · 28/09/2024 12:53

FrozenLimeMargarita · 26/09/2024 11:01

A neighbour came by and updated me (while dropping a parcel off) and said that one of the more affected neighbours* knocked and asked them about the parking.

They were told by the big car family very calmly, politely but firmly that they just didn't care. (which was as expected)

The road did have a discussion about permits but some of our older residents got really upset and worried about the cost as well as the logistics as they have family and carers in regularly. It's close to £200 per year per car with £100 for extra cars - there are exceptions but most are elderly, but not disabled. Vera* for example has carers twice a day, her daughter pops in mid-morning and her Son at dinner time. She also has a companion who stays regularly. thorough she has a lot of care needs she does not have a disability as such.

So I was advised that operation 'half and half' will be beginning this weekend. there is a uni lass whose desk is up against the window of the middle house and opposite her is a woman who WFH. The big car family tend to go out en mass at the weekend so each household will half and half the spaces. The two lasses are going to keep an eye out for spaces opening up.

I think it will get old fast, cause bad feelings and not really achieve much - but I think everyone is beyond irritated with the sheer volume of the spaces being used by one household alone is a place where spaces are known to be a premium.

(*) The big car household likes to park as close to their house as possible so tend to monopolise the bays on either side of the road nearest their house which pushes everyone outwards but means that most of the time their nearest neighbours are the ones hunting down spaces. Whereas the bays further down are then just becoming a free for all, but your odds are better.

Edited

I work as a district nurse - we have permits for residential areas when on visits so carers woukd/should be able to have to same do they can park

DrinkElephants · 28/09/2024 12:37

TemuSpecialBuy · 24/09/2024 13:12

That’s shocking

i would actually talk to your council about controlled parking
it might be the only answer to this.
my sibling and neighbours successfully did this on their road.

another crappy example of “this is why we can’t have nice things”

This. My parents road became a residents parking area and they are only allowed two permits each plus visitor hours on the app. So I think pushing for residents parking with the council may be the best way forward.

But I completely agree with you. Although legal it’s just bloody selfish to buy a house without parking for all the vehicles!!

CarlaH · 28/09/2024 12:19

GreenTeaLikesMe · 28/09/2024 11:53

It is basically how it works where I live! not crushing the cars, but towing and fining, yes. I think it would be a step too far for the UK, but some sort of middling restrictions on vehicle numbers and sizes ought to be brought in.

How does it work when visiting other people? If everybody who owns a car has to have a parking space where they live that's fine but presumably they don't have a spare space for a visitor?

cardibach · 28/09/2024 12:01

GreenTeaLikesMe · 28/09/2024 11:53

It is basically how it works where I live! not crushing the cars, but towing and fining, yes. I think it would be a step too far for the UK, but some sort of middling restrictions on vehicle numbers and sizes ought to be brought in.

I agree about sizes and numbers. In my small Victorian seaside town next to nobody has off street parking and the only car parking available otherwise is at the leisure centre and station.
I think work vans should have to be located elsewhere, as a business expense, and some sensible number of permanent vehicles and visitor passes decided.

MotherWol · 28/09/2024 12:01

Also in London, living on a street with a CPZ and I think you should reconsider asking the council for a resident’s parking zone. Eight vehicles for one house is ridiculous, they need to be renting a garage if they have that many vehicles. You mentioned that parking permits cost money, but this is the upshot of ‘free’ on street parking - eventually someone comes along and points out you don’t own the road and they can legally park there, and it’s not free any more. Your elderly neighbour may be eligible for a blue badge which would likely mean her (and her carers) are exempt, but CF neighbours would have limits on how many spaces they could use.

the alternative is faffing about moving your cars until they eventually try to poison an oak tree. Be serious.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 28/09/2024 11:53

cardibach · 28/09/2024 11:11

Not really practical in terraced residential streets, is it?

It is basically how it works where I live! not crushing the cars, but towing and fining, yes. I think it would be a step too far for the UK, but some sort of middling restrictions on vehicle numbers and sizes ought to be brought in.

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