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To think people shouldn't have sex with people unless you would both be happy and able to raise children together?

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Jjiillkkf · 24/09/2024 06:56

Just reading the thread about the mother's of disabled children they have really struggled to cope with and no mention of fathers. Should society stigmatise abandoning families more? Would that not necessarily include discouraging quite so much recreational sex because of the potential outcomes?

Also inspired by other threads by women who alter an otherwise positive dynamic in their new relationship by having sex with their new partner.

Why is sex the be all and end all when it creates so many problems.

Aibu to think it is nothing but love and kindness to tell our sons and daughters to save it for a good person in a mutually loving, stable, permanent relationship?

OP posts:
SpudleyLass · 26/09/2024 21:35

I beg your BIGGEST pardon

XChrome · 26/09/2024 21:35

Catza · 26/09/2024 20:44

Chemical abortion is only performed in very early stages of pregnancy. There is no "life* *or "baby" to speak of. They are not even called foetus at that point but a zygote which is a simple cell organism, essentially. I assume you are one of those "pro birth" people... Stop shaming women who make positive decisions about their life. I don't think anyone here takes abortions lightly but it is our fundamental right to have access to this essential medical service so I don't appreciate you perpetuating the stigma.

Edited

Yes, it's one thing to be anti-choice, but quite another to call women who choose abortion "sinister." That was needlessly nasty. All she had to say was that she has a different outlook on it. She didn't have to stoop to that level.
Notice she refuses to explain why she said that, yet there's no apology. If you have the courage of your convictions, you should have no problem explaining your statements and at least admitting the language you used was insulting.
The least I'd expect, considering she started the thread, is to refrain from maligning a large chunk of the people responding.

CrochetForLife · 26/09/2024 21:07

Jjiillkkf · 26/09/2024 20:33

I thought it was perfectly clear that I was referring to the attitude shown towards ending the life of the unborn child.

ending the life of the unborn child

I think you're a nasty gaslighting and emotionally manipulative piece work who has no regard at all for womens rights. Only a blastocyst that is unwelcome whose host it is sitting in. FYI this AINT A CHILD. Born or 'unborn'.

To think people shouldn't have sex with people unless you would both be happy and able to raise children together?
XenoBitch · 26/09/2024 21:01

Ha, so no more one night stands?
I have never wanted kids, so I guess that means I should stay celibate then. I have only gone out with men who also did not want kids. We would both be fine with abortion if it was needed.

Do you live in Gilead?

Eightdayz · 26/09/2024 21:01

Catza · 26/09/2024 20:44

Chemical abortion is only performed in very early stages of pregnancy. There is no "life* *or "baby" to speak of. They are not even called foetus at that point but a zygote which is a simple cell organism, essentially. I assume you are one of those "pro birth" people... Stop shaming women who make positive decisions about their life. I don't think anyone here takes abortions lightly but it is our fundamental right to have access to this essential medical service so I don't appreciate you perpetuating the stigma.

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This!

Catza · 26/09/2024 20:44

Jjiillkkf · 26/09/2024 20:33

I thought it was perfectly clear that I was referring to the attitude shown towards ending the life of the unborn child.

Chemical abortion is only performed in very early stages of pregnancy. There is no "life* *or "baby" to speak of. They are not even called foetus at that point but a zygote which is a simple cell organism, essentially. I assume you are one of those "pro birth" people... Stop shaming women who make positive decisions about their life. I don't think anyone here takes abortions lightly but it is our fundamental right to have access to this essential medical service so I don't appreciate you perpetuating the stigma.

XChrome · 26/09/2024 20:41

Jjiillkkf · 26/09/2024 20:33

I thought it was perfectly clear that I was referring to the attitude shown towards ending the life of the unborn child.

You didn't explain why it's "sinister."
Upthread there is a good analogy about intestinal parasites. Is it "sinister" to take medication to kill them? Because actually, they are more sentient than a human embryo. Sentience does not start until much later in pregnancy than when abortions are typically done, with exceptions for health emergencies.

DinosaurMunch · 26/09/2024 20:35

OP you sound young, naive and idealistic. I thought like you when I was about 16. Unfortunately humans are flawed and life is difficult.
You will learn as you live a bit longer

Jjiillkkf · 26/09/2024 20:33

I thought it was perfectly clear that I was referring to the attitude shown towards ending the life of the unborn child.

OP posts:
XChrome · 26/09/2024 20:30

Jjiillkkf · 26/09/2024 20:29

Yet you take no issue with hyperbole in the other direction

Excuse me? What are you referring to?
Btw, are you going to explain your remark, or just deflect?

XChrome · 26/09/2024 20:29

Aussieland · 26/09/2024 14:47

In YOUR opinion. You seem to have that attitude that people have when THEIR life worked out exactly as they wanted. Nothing nasty like cheating husbands, failed contraception or not meeting the man of your dreams 🙄 And therefore on the basis of your sole experience you have decided that women should remain virgins until they meet the man of their dreams, get married (whether they want to or not) and then have the exact number of children, exactly when they intended and remain happily married forever. Newsflash…

IKR. It's like somebody who watched a lot of Disney movies and took it all to heart.
🎵When you wish upon a star.....

Jjiillkkf · 26/09/2024 20:29

XChrome · 26/09/2024 20:27

What "attitude" and how is it "sinister?"
What a hyperbolic word to use.

Yet you take no issue with hyperbole in the other direction

OP posts:
XChrome · 26/09/2024 20:27

Jjiillkkf · 26/09/2024 08:38

A chemically induced miscarriage is likely to be more complicated for people than that. There's something very sinister about that attitude to ending life.

What "attitude" and how is it "sinister?"
What a hyperbolic word to use.

Aussieland · 26/09/2024 14:47

Jjiillkkf · 26/09/2024 08:38

A chemically induced miscarriage is likely to be more complicated for people than that. There's something very sinister about that attitude to ending life.

In YOUR opinion. You seem to have that attitude that people have when THEIR life worked out exactly as they wanted. Nothing nasty like cheating husbands, failed contraception or not meeting the man of your dreams 🙄 And therefore on the basis of your sole experience you have decided that women should remain virgins until they meet the man of their dreams, get married (whether they want to or not) and then have the exact number of children, exactly when they intended and remain happily married forever. Newsflash…

GreekIslandsMap · 26/09/2024 12:36

I spoke with someone recently who was working on a new type of contraceptive. He seemed quite pleased, until I asked him why he was not working on a male contraceptive.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/09/2024 12:29

Abbylikeswine · Yesterday 20:00

MrsSkylerWhite · Yesterday 10:49
Marvellous things called contraception are available.

One of my friends who was using Contraception, got pregnant not long ago.
**
They have never said that Contraception 100% prevents pregnancy”

Obviously. People should never have sex unless they want a child? Don’t be daft.

Beezknees · 26/09/2024 10:48

Jjiillkkf · 26/09/2024 08:38

A chemically induced miscarriage is likely to be more complicated for people than that. There's something very sinister about that attitude to ending life.

No there isn't.

Haroldwilson · 26/09/2024 10:31

Nature is a messy process. Isn't it something like a third of fertilised eggs fail to embed or spontaneously miscarry anyway, without anyone knowing about it?

Every child should be a wanted child.

CrochetForLife · 26/09/2024 10:12

Jjiillkkf · 26/09/2024 08:38

A chemically induced miscarriage is likely to be more complicated for people than that. There's something very sinister about that attitude to ending life.

It's not a 'life'. There is something sinister in not understanding that women who choose to take 2 tablets do not see it as a life. You don't seem to understand that. It's a potential life, not an actual one. The womans life IS the only actual life here we are talking about. Not something that has no nerve receptors or sentience. They don't see it as a life they're ending. And they are entitled to see it that way. The same as someone taking worming medication wants to remove that 'life' from them. I can't think of another analogy at this point in time. But, just because something is technically a 'life' doesn't mean the host doesn't have the right not to see it like that.

Calling abortion and womens health rights 'sinister', on a feminist site - of all places, is abhorrent and disgusting and dehumanising of the woman. This is 2024. Abortion should be no less taboo than a hip replacement. That there are still women who shame their sisters over it, in 2024, shows how far we have still to come.

Doseofreality · 26/09/2024 09:49

I think it’s more a case of have (responsible, safe sex with whoever you want but for ffs, stop having children with someone you’ve only known for 5 minutes.

GreekIslandsMap · 26/09/2024 09:48

In some parts of the the the the world, some people have 20+ children. Due to cultural, religious & lack of contraception reasons.
When do you think it would be acceptable to say NO to sex ?

Some people have little choice in their life !

CurlewKate · 26/09/2024 09:45

@Jjiillkkf"A chemically induced miscarriage is likely to be more complicated for people than that." No it isn't. For the overwhelming majority of people that's exactly how it goes.
"There's something very sinister about that attitude to ending life." And there's nothing sinister about forcing women to carry and give birth to babies that they don't want?

ItsTheGAGGGGGG · 26/09/2024 09:39

Sometimes people just want to buss a nut

Circe7 · 26/09/2024 08:58

An unwanted pregnancy can occur within marriage anyway. It could be just as much of an issue to get pregnant when, say, you have two children already and can’t afford another or for example one of your children has significant needs than if you are in a “non-permanent” relationship. Are we saying people should stop having sex if they are married but don’t want another child?

GreekIslandsMap · 26/09/2024 08:53

So people who have passed the age of menopause should not be having sex ?

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