To think people shouldn't have sex with people unless you would both be happy and able to raise children together?

Oh give over with this thinly veiled no sex before marriage bollocks.

People need to be more careful with whom they have children, that part I agree with. Too many are having kids with people who don't want to take any kind of responsibility, or they aren't taking care of themselves with regard to effective contraception. Then they complain when things are hard.

Sex is a natural part of adult life and we need to access to safe sex healthcare and contraception, not shaming people into not having sex. We are WAAAAAY beyond the 1950s now.

This is not true re: abortion and poor people having them in the USA and not the UK. In both countries the numbers of those accessing abortion is higher among those from lower socio-economic backgrounds (proportionately speaking.)

And the book Freakonomics also says the same. It says that crime rates fell as those from the socio-demographic background most likely
to commit crimes were never born in the first place.

I would, and do, actively wish for any and every woman to be able to access abortion if they want one. I do think it’s a good thing. How ‘seriously’ abortion should be taken is entirely dependent on the individual having one. For some it’s heavy and something to be conflicted if not agonized over. For others, myself included, it isn’t a big deal at all and we shouldn’t be obliged to pretend it is to satisfy someone else’s sensibilities

I’d never have sex if having it was dependent on being willing to have and raise children with someone. So, er, fuck that.

@ConsuelaHammock "Abortion as contraception is not something we should be teaching our girls."

I don't think anyone is. Contraception as contraception, and the MAP and then abortion is what we should be teaching our teenage girls. And boys.

It's rarely more complicated than that, it's not 'a life' & it's not 'sinister' for a woman to be relieved she won't be forced to give birth against her will. Stop scaremongering.

Abortion as contraception is not something we should be teaching our girls.

The problem with good access to abortion is that the sensible women who would have well rounded children have the abortions and the ‘not so sensible ones’ keep the baby and then society pays for it. We are a nation with a lot of problems and it’s getting worse when the children of so many already damaged children keep being born.
There’s a book called Freakomics which I recommend reading . The chapter on the introduction of abortions in America was very insightful. HOWEVER in America those living in poverty have the abortions because they can’t afford to raise the baby. In the UK those who can least afford it have the baby because they know the state will raise them. If they have more than two they just make sure they get a diagnosis for one and the benefit cap is null and void.

A parasite is just an organism that uses another organism's body as a host and derives nutrients from it. I get why the use of that word in this context bothers people, because they are looking it as an insult, but it's merely descriptive and accurately so.
The fact that the parasitic organism has human DNA does not alter the reality that it is using another independent organism as a host. Of course the host should get to choose not to be a host.

Personally, I don't use language like "parasite" although I understand why people do, because I see no reason to bring unnecessary emotion into the situation. For me, an abortion is simply a medical procedure that should be available to women who need and want it.

I have no problem with people choosing not to take a vaccine. Also I do not recall anybody being threatened with punishment for refusing a vaccine.

So try again.

You may have noticed that nobody was forced to have vaccines. People who objected to them were allowed to have autonomy of their bodies regardless of our feelings about it.

I agree with you the “parasite” language is problematic but think all of your examples are terrible. A foetus is making biological use of somebody else’s body. Migrants, the elderly, the infirm are not.

I would say though - I think women should think CAREFULLY before deciding to continue with an unplanned pregnancy when the father has shown clearly he does not want it. Or prepare for single motherhood.

Nah as long as it's living in a woman's abdomen, it's nothing if she decides it is, as far as I'm concerned. It's not ideal to have 20 abortions but that's vanishingly rare and in the cases where it does happen, it's probably for the best. And those people can still have sex with a consenting partner.

These flights of fancy are getting pretty wild. I don't have enough information on you to think you are evil. Nor do you have enough information on anyone else here to make that determination.
You still have not explained why it is evil to (allegedly) minimize the gravity of ending the life of a zygote or embryo. Who exactly does it harm?
Evil implies harm. Attitudes alone aren't harmful to others, but the actions that result from them certainly can be. So what actions are harmful here?

I certainly don't care what you think when you keep your thoughts to yourself, but I do care if you post unwarranted accusations towards women who have terminated a pregnancy. Again, it is the action more than the attitude that matters.

I have never had an abortion myself, but I feel for anyone who has been in that situation. You seem have more empathy for non-sentient beings than you do for sentient women who have had to make that choice. This is misplaced, as a non-sentient being cannot perceive or benefit from empathy.

It is not human life. It is not a life a that stage. No more than a tapeworm is a life, viruses are a life, or amoebas are a life. Cancer is a 'life' too, btw. Should we allow tapeworms, cancer etc to invade it's host and not be removed? If something is a parasite to the host, they have the right to remove it.

Between 10-20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. So the real figure for miscarriages will be higher as a lot of women would not even know they are pregnant. The human body does a great job of ending "human life" without abortion.
Are you expecting them to self flagellate in public and be dressed in black for months?

You referred to their alleged attitude as sinister, which is no different from saying they are sinister. Or do you believe there are non-sinister people with sinister attitudes? 🙄

The word, in this kind of context, means singularly evil or productive of evil, as per Merriam Webster.
Perhaps you were using the word incorrectly?

The human body does it all the time anyway. Look up miscarriage rates.

My husband and I weren’t sexually inactive before marriage, but I didn’t have sexual intercourse until I was married because I wouldn’t personally be okay with having an abortion.