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To want my husband to take up a martial art to develop his confidence?

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fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:24

Basically my husband is a very timid, anxious, scared person. He was bullied as a child. If he sees a group of teenage boys walking towards him, for example, he will want to cross the road. They are not doing anything other than being your average somewhat rowdy teenage boys.

This has come more to a head lately because I come from a minority ethnicity, and lately there have been local news reports of people of my ethnicity being racially abused. I feel like if push came to shove, I would not be able to rely on him at all to back me up. I don’t say this as a sexist thing, like as in a man-up thing, I think we should feel like we have each other’s backs. But I know I can’t rely on him if I needed it. I don’t expect him to start throwing down or anything like that, but just to not be so timid and frightened all of the time. I’m only 155cm meanwhile he’s 180cm and muscley, yet when we go out it’s me who is making him feel safe rather than me feeling safer with him with me. It’s stressful for me.

I want him to do something to build his confidence so that he is not so afraid, and I thought a martial art would help him. Would I be unreasonable to try to get him to do this? I’m willing to go with him to support him. Do you think this would help him?

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SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/09/2024 17:39

I think both of you taking up Aikido or whatever to build confidence and lessen fear is great.

But I would still cross the road to stay away from teen boys and other rowdy groups. People have been stabbed to death for just looking wrong or brushing accidentally against a teen knife carrier who thinks he is one of the Kray brothers.

The #1 rule of self defence in a confrontation is Avoid, avoid, avoid, don’t put yourself in a situation that could lead to a confrontation. Your DH is following this rule by giving rowdy groups of teen boys a wide berth.

But yeah some lessons to learn how to protect and escape if rule #1 fails would probably make you and him less fearful. I know you’re saying he is the timid one, but it seems like this is playing across your mind a lot too.

rumblegrumble · 23/09/2024 17:36

I think a martial arts instructor is much more likely to encourage him to cross the road than to encourage him to use his newly acquired skills. He's doing the right thing already by trying to avoid any potential danger, that should make you feel a lot safer than if he were strutting around convinced he can defend himself because he's had a few karate lessons.

DoYouReally · 23/09/2024 17:32

So basically you are telling a man, whi has struggled hugely to stand up for himself in childhood, that he needs to stand up for you now?

I think that could do further damage to his self esteem. You are telling him he's not good enough for you as he is. Thread carefully.

Shodan · 23/09/2024 17:06

I'm a karate instructor.

The number one piece of self-defence I teach is to get away. Run, walk, skip- doesn't matter how you do it, just get away.

After that I teach people to recognise potential danger, and how to de-escalate a situation.

Your martial art, whatever its form, is the last thing you should use. But you absolutely can use it out of the dojo, if necessary.

It can help self-confidence. It will almost certainly improve your fitness (enabling you to run faster).

I've been training for twenty years and I would absolutely cross the road if I felt unsafe.

That being said, if your husband wants to give martial arts a go, have a look around and see what kind he fancies. A lot of clubs offer a free first class. And join with him.

Lentilweaver · 23/09/2024 17:06

Can you give another example of how he is timid and frightened? That would be helpful. I am not the only one to ask this.

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 17:04

Lentilweaver · 23/09/2024 16:56

I am not. But you seem v keen to say that crossing the road to avoid teen boys is not normal.
There are many ways for minorities to be confident. Where I am in SE London it would be foolish to be feisty. Best hand it over.
My DS is a six foot tall confident and muscular lad. He knows to walk away.

All I said was: They are not doing anything other than being your average somewhat rowdy teenage boys.

But you embellished and added in ‘I cross the road to avoid loud drunk teen boys if it's late. Why are you so obsessed with that?’

Where did I say they are drunk, loud, or that this is even at night. And because I gave an example, that is being ‘obsessed?’ Ok then 🙄 Classic AIBU poster, not reading the OP and embellishing to prove your point. Happens all of the time.

Anyways other PPs have been actually helpful so I’m thankful to them and can ignore this type.

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ChirrupItMightNotHappen · 23/09/2024 16:59

What is he doing apart from crossing the road when a group of teen boys approaches?

Lentilweaver · 23/09/2024 16:56

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:49

Why are you embellishing things to prove your point?

I am not. But you seem v keen to say that crossing the road to avoid teen boys is not normal.
There are many ways for minorities to be confident. Where I am in SE London it would be foolish to be feisty. Best hand it over.
My DS is a six foot tall confident and muscular lad. He knows to walk away.

YaCannyKickYaGrannyInTheShin · 23/09/2024 16:56

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:51

What I really want is us to feel like we’re protecting each other. I’m quite feisty so he feels safe with me because I’ll back us up, but I want to feel backed up as well. I don’t want him to start fights, I don’t even want to get into a fight. I thought it would help his confidence. And thank you for your input, I will join as well.

I’m quite feisty so he feels safe with me because I’ll back us up

Well he shouldn't do.

I live in a very rough part of East London and it's nearly always the 'feisty' ones who get stabbed.

Or worse still, get their husbands or boyfriends stabbed.

The best thing to do is to say as little as possible and get away as quickly as possible.

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:54

toomuchfaff · 23/09/2024 16:52

What you're saying and what you're saying is contradictory. You're not saying you want him to man up but you don't want him timid and frightened all the time.

You're not saying you want him to lay down fists or anything but you want him to have your back.

Seeing potential issues before they arise and being able to avoid conflict situations is going to be far more useful to you than him going to martial arts. The fact he does cross the road is better for you than him standing there yelling "come at me bro".

I can see what you’re saying. I appreciate the points of view I’m getting here, thank you.

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poppyzbrite4 · 23/09/2024 16:54

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:49

That’s a good point, maybe both things concurrently could be good, for both of us.

How do you know you did well in a fight?

You walk away unharmed.

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:53

YaCannyKickYaGrannyInTheShin · 23/09/2024 16:50

Do you suggest to all your friends they should take up martial arts before you go on a night out with them, or a shopping trip into town?

You married 'a very timid, anxious, scared person', so it's a bit off to try and change him now.

You could (if you really must) suggest it once, maybe as a way to keep fit but then leave it completely if he says no.

I agree with you, my aim is not to make him feel badly about himself.

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fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:53

Octavia64 · 23/09/2024 16:49

My whole family learnt martial arts when my kids were teens.

There was a very strong focus on the idea that you are training your body and your mind and that is good for you.

However our teacher, and many of the other teachers we met over the years were very clear:

If you are in a dangerous situation the safest thing you can do is get out of it. Run away. Leave.

Do not use your martial art - just get out as quickly and safely as you can.

The ONLY circumstances where they suggested it would be useful were if you literally could not leave. And even then you ideally use as little violence as possible,

Getting your husband to train in a martial art will not fix his anxiety and it certainly won't make him more likely to back you up in a violent situation.

Both my husband and my son trained up to black belt level. I don't feel any safer walking around with them than I do with other people.

If anything I'm better at dealing with those kind of situations because I was a teacher for 20 years and I'm quite good at de-escalating situstions. However that also means I'm good at recognising at when it's time to leave

Thank you for your experience, perhaps I’m expecting too much from a martial art and it would be good for the other reasons you listed.

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toomuchfaff · 23/09/2024 16:52

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:40

I said specifically: ‘I don’t say this as a sexist thing, like as in a man-up thing, I think we should feel like we have each other’s backs.’ Not sure how you translated that into me putting everything on him.

What you're saying and what you're saying is contradictory. You're not saying you want him to man up but you don't want him timid and frightened all the time.

You're not saying you want him to lay down fists or anything but you want him to have your back.

Seeing potential issues before they arise and being able to avoid conflict situations is going to be far more useful to you than him going to martial arts. The fact he does cross the road is better for you than him standing there yelling "come at me bro".

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:51

KrisAkabusi · 23/09/2024 16:48

’With its focus on responding to an attacker, rather than being the attacker, Aikido is a great martial art to learn for self defence’. If you can’t use it outside of the dojo, then how is it any good for self defence?

I used to learn aikido. Of course you can use it for self defense. But that's not what you want. You want him to use it to protect you! That's very different.

Absolutely recommend he learns aikido, but you should be there too.

What I really want is us to feel like we’re protecting each other. I’m quite feisty so he feels safe with me because I’ll back us up, but I want to feel backed up as well. I don’t want him to start fights, I don’t even want to get into a fight. I thought it would help his confidence. And thank you for your input, I will join as well.

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YaCannyKickYaGrannyInTheShin · 23/09/2024 16:50

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:40

I said specifically: ‘I don’t say this as a sexist thing, like as in a man-up thing, I think we should feel like we have each other’s backs.’ Not sure how you translated that into me putting everything on him.

Do you suggest to all your friends they should take up martial arts before you go on a night out with them, or a shopping trip into town?

You married 'a very timid, anxious, scared person', so it's a bit off to try and change him now.

You could (if you really must) suggest it once, maybe as a way to keep fit but then leave it completely if he says no.

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:49

poppyzbrite4 · 23/09/2024 16:46

I think it's a really bad idea and he'd be better off getting therapy and working on his self esteem.

It would take years for him to become competent and the best thing to do is get away, not try to fight someone who might have a knife.

That’s a good point, maybe both things concurrently could be good, for both of us.

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Octavia64 · 23/09/2024 16:49

My whole family learnt martial arts when my kids were teens.

There was a very strong focus on the idea that you are training your body and your mind and that is good for you.

However our teacher, and many of the other teachers we met over the years were very clear:

If you are in a dangerous situation the safest thing you can do is get out of it. Run away. Leave.

Do not use your martial art - just get out as quickly and safely as you can.

The ONLY circumstances where they suggested it would be useful were if you literally could not leave. And even then you ideally use as little violence as possible,

Getting your husband to train in a martial art will not fix his anxiety and it certainly won't make him more likely to back you up in a violent situation.

Both my husband and my son trained up to black belt level. I don't feel any safer walking around with them than I do with other people.

If anything I'm better at dealing with those kind of situations because I was a teacher for 20 years and I'm quite good at de-escalating situstions. However that also means I'm good at recognising at when it's time to leave

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:49

Lentilweaver · 23/09/2024 16:48

I cross the road to avoid loud drunk teen boys if it's late. Why are you so obsessed with that?

Why are you embellishing things to prove your point?

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KrisAkabusi · 23/09/2024 16:48

’With its focus on responding to an attacker, rather than being the attacker, Aikido is a great martial art to learn for self defence’. If you can’t use it outside of the dojo, then how is it any good for self defence?

I used to learn aikido. Of course you can use it for self defense. But that's not what you want. You want him to use it to protect you! That's very different.

Absolutely recommend he learns aikido, but you should be there too.

Lentilweaver · 23/09/2024 16:48

I cross the road to avoid loud drunk teen boys if it's late. Why are you so obsessed with that?

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:47

cestlavielife · 23/09/2024 16:46

Both of you could attend Foundation self defence classes like krav maga. A lot of it is teaching you to walk away with confidence from a situation

Yes this sounds great, I ultimately want to help him build confidence.

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fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:46

Mischance · 23/09/2024 16:45

I think you should accept him as he is. There are more ways to love someone than coming on all macho.

Even if he wants to cross the road to avoid teenage boys just minding their own business? I feel like this is not just being un macho, it’s not healthy.

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poppyzbrite4 · 23/09/2024 16:46

I think it's a really bad idea and he'd be better off getting therapy and working on his self esteem.

It would take years for him to become competent and the best thing to do is get away, not try to fight someone who might have a knife.

cestlavielife · 23/09/2024 16:46

Both of you could attend Foundation self defence classes like krav maga. A lot of it is teaching you to walk away with confidence from a situation