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To want my husband to take up a martial art to develop his confidence?

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fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:24

Basically my husband is a very timid, anxious, scared person. He was bullied as a child. If he sees a group of teenage boys walking towards him, for example, he will want to cross the road. They are not doing anything other than being your average somewhat rowdy teenage boys.

This has come more to a head lately because I come from a minority ethnicity, and lately there have been local news reports of people of my ethnicity being racially abused. I feel like if push came to shove, I would not be able to rely on him at all to back me up. I don’t say this as a sexist thing, like as in a man-up thing, I think we should feel like we have each other’s backs. But I know I can’t rely on him if I needed it. I don’t expect him to start throwing down or anything like that, but just to not be so timid and frightened all of the time. I’m only 155cm meanwhile he’s 180cm and muscley, yet when we go out it’s me who is making him feel safe rather than me feeling safer with him with me. It’s stressful for me.

I want him to do something to build his confidence so that he is not so afraid, and I thought a martial art would help him. Would I be unreasonable to try to get him to do this? I’m willing to go with him to support him. Do you think this would help him?

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XChrome · 23/09/2024 23:17

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:42

Thank you, I didn’t know this. I assumed in a self defence situation you could use it to protect yourself. The one I was looking at said this:

’With its focus on responding to an attacker, rather than being the attacker, Aikido is a great martial art to learn for self defence’. If you can’t use it outside of the dojo, then how is it any good for self defence?

It isn't. IMO Aikido is not particularly useful for self defence as it is too difficult for the average person to master. People who take martial arts for self defence purposes would benefit from a simpler approach.
I have tried most of them and found kickboxing to be the simplest and most confidence building.
It's not true that all martial arts classes teach you never to use the techniques outside the class. You're taught you can use them for defence but not for offence. So please ignore that prohibition about not using them outside of class and go ahead and sign up. Ask your h if he wants to sign up too, but be aware that it won't make him somebody he is not. As you say, it might at least boost his confidence and you can both get some exercise in.

ShinyPrettyThings87 · 23/09/2024 23:07

I did martial arts for years and met many people from all walks of life. I'd suggest he tries CBT to help him make peace with his past, for his own benefit firstly.
I'd also suggest both of you try a martial art. Taekwondo has become popular recently. It would help with many aspects, his confidence, making friends or atleast realising not everyone is an idiot. I was maybe lucky in my groups but we all supported eachother like a mini family.
And I 100% would use my skills as a black belt on someone in the street to protect myself. Even though it would work against me in court if I use unnecessary force, due to my training.

My view is, you should avoid fighting if you can, but if you can't, well, what's that saying... Better to be a soldier in a field, than a farmer in a war. Something like that. I'm fully confident in myself in a fight with a man as they're who I trained against but not under any illusion that someone with greater body strength has the upper hand if I don't move first and fast. They should teach you self defense techniques like for example with a baseball bat, don't avoid it but get closer etc. i think it's always a good thing to know how to disarm/manipulate someone with a knife/weapon. But if he's not confident, he's got no chance.

But the main thing is, you never know what the other person is carrying if it comes to being physical. It's awful that anyone should do this, but keep a spray in your bag. Hairspray or something that will sting their eyes to give you a chance to avoid further conflict.
100% if he's ready to, he should seek therapy regardless of anything else.

HeddaGarbled · 23/09/2024 22:57

One person or a male/female couple doesn’t stand a chance against a group. No amount of self-defence classes are going to alter those odds.

gannett · 23/09/2024 22:55

Agree with the consensus that if you want to feel he has your back and can protect you then the best things he can learn are how to de-escalate situations and how to get away from them.

It's highly unlikely that he (or most people) would ever be a match in a fight with someone who really wanted to do you violent harm.

Building up his confidence should be an entirely separate matter to a hypothetical fist-fight and depends mostly on whether he wants to tackle it and what kind of thing he thinks will help. If he's interested in taking up a martial art by all means go for it.

HelloMiffy · 23/09/2024 22:54

'Very timid' doesn't sound like an attractive trait at all in a man. Nor does crossing the road to avoid some teenagers.

Not sure if a martial art is the answer but I'm not sure I'd want to be with someone like this tbh

IMustDoMoreExercise · 23/09/2024 22:53

Octavia64 · 23/09/2024 16:49

My whole family learnt martial arts when my kids were teens.

There was a very strong focus on the idea that you are training your body and your mind and that is good for you.

However our teacher, and many of the other teachers we met over the years were very clear:

If you are in a dangerous situation the safest thing you can do is get out of it. Run away. Leave.

Do not use your martial art - just get out as quickly and safely as you can.

The ONLY circumstances where they suggested it would be useful were if you literally could not leave. And even then you ideally use as little violence as possible,

Getting your husband to train in a martial art will not fix his anxiety and it certainly won't make him more likely to back you up in a violent situation.

Both my husband and my son trained up to black belt level. I don't feel any safer walking around with them than I do with other people.

If anything I'm better at dealing with those kind of situations because I was a teacher for 20 years and I'm quite good at de-escalating situstions. However that also means I'm good at recognising at when it's time to leave

Which martial art do they do?

All my step children who are black belts in karate say that they feel much safer.

One of my step sons is below average height and he says that his skills mean that he isn't intimidated by bigger guys.

It also meant that he wasn't bullied at school and that he could protect his friend who was being bullied.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 23/09/2024 22:52

I think as long as you're willing to learn it too it won't do any harm.

But I will say, some people are slapless. They might run into a burning building to save their loved one, or leap in front of a bullet, but they will never be able to deal with physical confrontation.

It is also probably true that men who are confident to get involved physically are more likely to get stabbed than ones who back down.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 23/09/2024 22:46

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 16:42

Thank you, I didn’t know this. I assumed in a self defence situation you could use it to protect yourself. The one I was looking at said this:

’With its focus on responding to an attacker, rather than being the attacker, Aikido is a great martial art to learn for self defence’. If you can’t use it outside of the dojo, then how is it any good for self defence?

You can use it to protect yourself

My husband is a black belt in karate as are his children.

His daughter was able to use her karate when she was groped.

You should both try karate. It is an amazing skill to have.

My husbands teacher was was able to use his karate when he was attacked. The police didn't do anything to him.

DaemonMoon · 23/09/2024 22:43

Martial arts isn't great against street fighters. You have to train long and hard to be really good. It is more difficult as you age. We were taught blackbelt meant you were now a beginner ready to understand the art.

Getting away is the first thing taught to children in lessons.

Sparring is a different beast and not everyone is suited to it emotionally. It can be intimidating.

However, I think taking classes together is a great idea regardless. It does help with confidence in general.

Thelnebriati · 23/09/2024 22:38

Look up the Gray Man books by Matthew Dermody. Gray Man is the philosophy of not drawing attention to yourself as a form of self defence.

Edingril · 23/09/2024 22:27

You need to see a therapist, good grief poor man

Mischance · 23/09/2024 22:25

He is a gentle-man - it is who he is - it is who you married and the person who fathers your children.

My late OH would go out of his way to avoid conflict - I did not see that as timid, but rather as pragmatic and sensible. I loved him for who he was.

You want him to be a protector for you; but that is not his style. I am sure there are many other ways in which he supports you.

You cannot make him someone he is not; and it would be unacceptable to try and mould him to your wishes. He will quite rightly see your attempts to get him to martial arts classes as manipulation and as a criticism of who he really is.

I know what my OH would have said if I had tried to get him to do this!

Shodan · 23/09/2024 21:28

Can we spar against each other as practice?

I know you've said you've had enough of this thread OP, and that's fair enough, but I really, really wouldn't recommend sparring against each other outside of the dojo until you've had at least a years' training (or maybe two)

I don't want to be insulting, but every newbie/lower grade student goes through a phase of thinking that a few classes have given them greater skills than they actually possess. And if a couple spars, without the watchful eye of the instructor, feelings as well as noses/limbs etc get hurt.

SleepToad · 23/09/2024 20:57

I'm a large guy, but I'm now 55. Because of where I grew up I have been involved in lots of violent situations, plus going to football in the 80s and 90s. I was brought up to have a sixth sense about violence and I know actively avoid situations where I could potentially be in a violent scenario. That doesn't make me any less of a man.

You seem to think that your husband needs to stick for for you and perhaps if someone attacks you he should. But if it is a verbal attack, disgusting as that may be, the best course of action is to ignore it and when safe report to the police.
I know you would be upset to be racially abused and I'm sure your husband would be too...but I had a friend who got into an argument about an £8 yes £8 drug deal in the 1980s and he was murdered.

PonyPatter44 · 23/09/2024 18:56

Martial arts would probably help to build up his self-confidence a bit. OBVIOUSLY he isn't going to turn into Chuck Norris, but knowing that you could defend yourself if you absolutely had to is a good thing.

I used to do krav maga. I was rubbish at it, but I loved doing it.

CaveMum · 23/09/2024 18:53

My children do a martial art - Kuk Sool Won - my daughter (10) should get her black belt next year, if all goes well, after 4 years of training. My #1 reason for signing her up originally was self-confidence, followed by discipline, respect, flexibility, balance and coordination. Self-defence wasn’t even on my radar!

Absolutely sign up for classes, but don’t expect to actually use it in self-defence - for a start it will take a few years of training before you’re actually any good!

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 18:44

Anyways I’ve had helpful responses and this is now resolved, I don’t need to hear from anymore keyboard warriors such as certain pirate robots 🙄 Thanks for the helpful responses and experience from people who do martial arts.

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fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 18:42

Lentilweaver · 23/09/2024 17:06

Can you give another example of how he is timid and frightened? That would be helpful. I am not the only one to ask this.

Tbh a lot. It affects his life in many, many ways. His sleep is affected, his work is affected, driving is another source of fear, it’s very widespread. I can see now how I was misguided in my view of a martial art as defence, but I also see how it would nonetheless help his confidence generally speaking. Anyway sorry for my short response to you earlier 🙏

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fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 18:41

DreadPirateRobots · 23/09/2024 18:39

Do you like it when people "suggest" you take up things that you have no interest in, but that they think would make you a "better" person?

🙄 Do you live your life looking for ways to be outraged on behalf of others? As I literally just wrote but which you apparently ignored, he is game to try it but thanks for your faux concern for him.

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DreadPirateRobots · 23/09/2024 18:39

Do you like it when people "suggest" you take up things that you have no interest in, but that they think would make you a "better" person?

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 18:32

wastingtimeonhere · 23/09/2024 18:16

To be realistically able to use it effectively for defending you or himself he would need to train for years, unless he really took to it at best it would not be effective and at worst put him in a position that he could have the confidence but he wouldn't be able to execute it well enough.
As a general confidence builder, it is great though.

As a general confidence builder, it is great though.

This is how I’m going to approach it. I actually talked with him just now and asked him what he thought about us trying it together and he’s a bit nervous but is game. The dojo near us is open to visitors observing and even giving it a go so we’ll do that.

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wastingtimeonhere · 23/09/2024 18:16

To be realistically able to use it effectively for defending you or himself he would need to train for years, unless he really took to it at best it would not be effective and at worst put him in a position that he could have the confidence but he wouldn't be able to execute it well enough.
As a general confidence builder, it is great though.

fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 17:58

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/09/2024 17:39

I think both of you taking up Aikido or whatever to build confidence and lessen fear is great.

But I would still cross the road to stay away from teen boys and other rowdy groups. People have been stabbed to death for just looking wrong or brushing accidentally against a teen knife carrier who thinks he is one of the Kray brothers.

The #1 rule of self defence in a confrontation is Avoid, avoid, avoid, don’t put yourself in a situation that could lead to a confrontation. Your DH is following this rule by giving rowdy groups of teen boys a wide berth.

But yeah some lessons to learn how to protect and escape if rule #1 fails would probably make you and him less fearful. I know you’re saying he is the timid one, but it seems like this is playing across your mind a lot too.

I know you’re saying he is the timid one, but it seems like this is playing across your mind a lot too.

You’re right, it’s the recent rise in racial abuse that has me feeling like this. I mean it’s always been around but lately it’s been more heightened.

And I will reevaluate my thinking about things, I appreciate the advice and perspectives. I can see ways I’ve been thinking about this wrongly.

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fleeceyjumper · 23/09/2024 17:54

Shodan · 23/09/2024 17:06

I'm a karate instructor.

The number one piece of self-defence I teach is to get away. Run, walk, skip- doesn't matter how you do it, just get away.

After that I teach people to recognise potential danger, and how to de-escalate a situation.

Your martial art, whatever its form, is the last thing you should use. But you absolutely can use it out of the dojo, if necessary.

It can help self-confidence. It will almost certainly improve your fitness (enabling you to run faster).

I've been training for twenty years and I would absolutely cross the road if I felt unsafe.

That being said, if your husband wants to give martial arts a go, have a look around and see what kind he fancies. A lot of clubs offer a free first class. And join with him.

Thank you! That’s really helpful hearing from someone in the know. I have the wrong idea certainly about martial arts. I think being more aware of danger, how to de-escalate, that running away is not being cowardly, and as a last resort, having some level of skill to defend would be valuable for self confidence. And I will join with him, thank you. Can we spar against each other as practice?

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BeerForMyHorses · 23/09/2024 17:48

He needs therapy.

It take years of skill discipline and training to be good at Martial arts. Even then there is no stopping a heavy right hook or a gang of teenagers.