Labour voters - do you regret voting for them?

It's not really an argument to say the tories were crap so Labour must be better. They are both terrible and I have never felt so depressed about the state of the country and my children's future. I personally think the pm and cabinet should be paid alot more to attract people of a much higher calibre than the likes of Starmer, Raynes, Reeves and Lammy - I have just read on twitter that the leader of Singapore earns ten times more and it shows.

"I’m sure Labour started off saying no one in prison for violent crimes would be let out early"

Are you?

"So we all went along with it"

Really? That was the main thing people voted about, was it?

And has this problem suddenly emerged the last few weeks?

Or did Sunk call the election at that weird time precisely to avoid the problem that everyone knew was coming and that his party had create?

Honestly, I don't want to be rude, but the people I've interacted with on this thread...

Mumsnet used to be at a decent level of conversation and debate; when did all the Daily Mail and Express readers come in?

I don't think it's either of those. I think it's ongoing fear of the Lexiters. He needs to find the guts to bin them and I hope he will. Until then, softening them up will have to do. Brexit was the single most stupid thing this country ever did and it's going to be difficult to fix, in part because so many people still have exceptionality delusions of superiority about being British.

At least he's trying

Is he though? My conclusion is that there are two scenarios:

• he's either paying a lip service knowing full well what concessions are needed to make new agreements with EU and he'll never make them. So everyone can say "at least he tried but those EU baddies..."
• or he's incompetent if he doesn't know the rules of the game (don't want to question his intelligence)

At least he's trying, unlike the previous government. I would love it if the Labour Party abandoned their Brexit voters and stopped being timid in the face of their stupid wing. Until that day, we'll have to make do with what crumbs we can get. It's better than the Tories with their insistence on British Crumbs Only.

I completely agree with this!
If labour and conservatives can’t get their shit together, then nothing good will come from voters’ desperation and anger.

@Slinky1460 agree completely, but there is another, much scarier, scenario - electorate will be so frustrated with both that I can fully anticipate Reform getting substantial numbers.

Starmer promised to give vote to 16yo who are usually pro Labour. Well, given TikTok, Reform actually led in this category

I couldn't stomach voting for either of the two main parties so my vote went to the person I believed would better represent our community.

Labour will only get another term if the Conservatives fail to put a strong person at the helm. The people who have put themselves up for that role will damage the party even further.

😂😂😂

Edited to add: dialogue with EU was especially productive - Starmer was told to jog off... according to all media, incl FT

You got a party line response to this but we'll see how it goes

True, the list is impressive. Strikes ended, abortion clinic buffer zones brought in, WFA means tested (yes, I see this as a positive), Rwanda scheme ditched, constructive dialogue with the EU, restoration of workers' rights. All good stuff. Let's see what the budget brings.

You would be wrong. In 2010 I was completely fed up with Labour and was fully prepared to give the Tories a chance. That lasted until the Lansley reforms of the NHS, which were predictably a disaster. When you accuse people who want to give a new government more than 3 months of being tribal, you are projecting.

Well, they've made an impressive list given it's not even three months yet.

And they haven't run the country through Covid and war in Ukraine with all its consequences.

Bring your popcorn.

Well, time will tell. I suppose.

Although, I have a feeling that even if we have 14 years of this and worse from labour, you’d still be blaming the Tories.

We’re doomed precisely because of these tribal politics.

If a Tory government were doing this in the aftermath of 14 years of Labour neglect of the prison system with warning given 3 years ahead - I would feel exactly the same as I do now, when the positions are reversed. These events are on the previous government. They had time, they were warned, they did nothing. It's rank hypocrisy to blame a new government that hasn't had 3 months in power.

Labour has made quite a few errors, but they are nowhere near the last government's level of utter shitshow.

You’re the type of person who would be losing their shit if the tories had done this. And rightly so!

Seemingly, because it was labour, the victims will just have to accept that “things change” like what’s for tea tonight, hey?

You don’t really understand analogies, do you? Or my post really, which wasn’t comparing anything to violent offenders but was about the nature of lying.
Bad faith or lack of thought? I’m out either way.

Well, none of them would be able to go so both I guess.

Not right bright are you 😂 with your copied insults and absolute lack of understanding. How original and sad.

And to your edit:

It Is a lie when they try to sneak it past without any discussion.

It’s not ok when the tories do it. It shouldn’t be ok if the people you happen to vote for do it.

It’s either wrong or not.

It can’t depend on your political allegiance

And to your “metaphor” comparing rapists and violent offenders being released early and reoffending with cooking the wrong ready meal… disgusting.

It completely depends on what crimes the “new offenders” have committed. More or equally violent to the ones being released?

Absolutely no regrets here!

It says those serving 4 years or more for violent offences, not all violent offenders.
Look, nobody is happy about this, but it has had to happen due to terrible under investment. Would you prefer new offenders not go at all?

Edit: this new tendency to call anything that has changed ‘a lie’ is weird. Even if some more than 4 year sentence for violent offence prisoners have been released, it doesn’t make that statement a lie. It means things had to change due to circumstances. If I say I’m going to make chicken casserole then discover the meat in the freezer is actually pork so make pork casserole I’m not a liar. I’m a pragmatist.

In this article, dated 12th July aw perk after the election, it clearly states that sexual and violent offenders would NOT be included in this nor would domestic abuse perpetrators.

This has now been proven to have been a lie.

People are angry about this. Rightly so.

Would you rather have the Tories back OP?