Labour voters - do you regret voting for them?

Read it again. It’s not about support services, it’s about housing priority.

And we’re saying if you include males in your definition of “woman”, then your claims to want to improve things for “women” is meaningless.

Yes, Reform is indeed my greatest fear. And the far-right element among young males (far less among females). Even if they don't get the vote at 16, they'll get it eventually. And become part of adult society more generally. I hope that they end up rejecting the likes of Andrew Tate before it is too late.

Yes. That’s called coercion in any other situation.

Part of being in government if you want to stay in the party. Is it right? Not sure really. But not voting against the government and then resigning citing that vote as a reason? Definitely dodgy.

And I am saying, as I have said in the runup to the election, that there are many Labour policies which will benefit far more women than any policies around the trans issue. Because there aren't millions of predatory men pretending to be women to get at women - but there are millions of women being harmed by the current rules on DV, rape and employment rights. You're single issue on this - I get it. But the election result should have told you that the vast majority of voters did not feel this was their top priority.

So we shouldn’t have female only victims of domestic violence support services?

It's called whipped voting and it has been a feature of British politics for decades at least. If you didn't know this, you REALLY haven't been paying attention. It has always been a feature of governments here. And it is nothing at all to do with which party is in power.

I’m very concerned by the fact nearly all the Labour MPs voted for something they’re so politically and ethically opposed to.

Coercion?

OK. But the difference is that those, who didn't vote for Labour, or did but change their minds, will get the chance to vote again within 5 years, In the case of Brexit, we may never get another chance.

The post in question is about housing, not shelters. Do you think a victim of violence should be refused housing because of their sex?

Yes. If you go against the whip, you can have it removed. Given she was already going to resign, that wouldn’t have caused her any issues would it?

For the rest of it I have no problems with trans people taking up the benefit of these latest policies. A DV victim is a DV victim - it doesn't matter how they identify, they should get housing priority. The vast, vast majority of DV victims are biological women. Some won't be. Are you saying this last group should be excluded just because they're trans?

No. We're saying they shouldn't be in places where vulnerable females need space away from males to heal. Transwomen are male and need their own spaces.

Just look at how ERCC have harmed rape victims with their trans inclusions policy to see the issues.

I didn't vote Labour and I didn't vote Conservative either when they were in. ..

Starmer required Labour MPs to vote to cut the Winter Fuel Payment.

Some of them did refuse, but this is a punishable offence and it's considered disloyal and so on.

Just something to take into account when pointing fingers.

When it comes to women's prisons I'm probably in agreement with you - the prison estate needs to accommodate trans people separately. However, given that it was left without any kind of capacity by the previous government, that piece of work is going to take considerable time.

For the rest of it I have no problems with trans people taking up the benefit of these latest policies. A DV victim is a DV victim - it doesn't matter how they identify, they should get housing priority. The vast, vast majority of DV victims are biological women. Some won't be. Are you saying this last group should be excluded just because they're trans?

Because she’s the only one who has resigned citing it as a reason. Obviously.

I see your hypocrisy.

Here is a list of all the MPs who voted against the WFA.

Why did you target Rosie specifically?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0rx80yq8jo.amp

“this measure will do more for women than any amount of waffling about the trans issue”

How can you claim to want to improve things for women when you can’t even define what a woman is?

How can you claim to give a shit about women in prisons when you think women fighting to keep male criminals from being housed in women’s prisons is meaningless “waffle”?

Some more good stuff from Labour:

• Removing the demand for a local connection for council housing for veterans, care leavers and victims of domestic abuse - this measure will do more for women than any amount of waffling about the trans issue
• Decriminalising non-payment of the license fee; 70% of those prosecuted for this non-crime are women.

Very happy with my vote for Labour. The 2024 election was of course different from the 97 election and the country was in a far better place economically than we are today, plus no social media to spam out to the masses with reactionary view on all sides.

I think you would be surprised if you knew me.
I will not let you pull the discussion away from hypocrisy.
Can You see the hypocrisy?

It’s clearly Starmer’s hypocrisy that has resulted in her letter

He is receiving a lot of backlash and some MPs will show how they feel

RD by leaving

What is a woman?

Why are you so reluctant to answer such a simple question?

You brought up Rosie Duffield.