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Labour voters - do you regret voting for them?

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MeadowL · 23/09/2024 13:32

They got off to a really bad start and it's just gone downhill ever since. Within a couple of weeks we practically had martial law, we've had riots you name it. Law and order has completely broken down. They've cut the pensioners fuel allowance and all the while they've had their snouts in the trough. 2 tier Keir approval rating has fallen off a cliff - the country has had enough already lol.

Aibu to think that those who voted them in should apologise.

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TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:35

“Women’s rights matter but it doesn’t matter who is legally defined as a woman”

Fucking hell. I despair

ToWhitToWhoo · 29/09/2024 14:33

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:20

You don’t consider women’s rights to be a big issue?

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Women's rights are a very big issue. But most denials of women's rights involve not intrusion of some males on women's sex-based rights, but exclusion of women from what should be universal human rights. Politicians who are too preoccupied with 'what is a woman' are usually far too ready to exclude women from male spaces and activities and to try to keep us in our place..I don't include Rosie Duffield in this; she is a rare exception. The Andrew Tates and NatCons and JD Vances and anti-abortion American Supreme Court justices and at the extreme the Ayatollahs are all much commoner.

Lupeypoon · 29/09/2024 14:32

pointythings · 29/09/2024 14:28

Of course I do. I just see them as an issue that is far bigger than just the slice about transwomen. It must be very comfortable to be able to reduce a huge and complex thing down to a single aspect and then focus only on that.

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This. It's getting fucking tiresome tbh, and I'm gender critical.

No I don't regret voting Labour. They've been in power all of three months.

And frankly a ladder wearing a hat would be doing a better job right now than the absolute melons who've been in power for the last 15 years.

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:31

pointythings · 29/09/2024 14:28

Of course I do. I just see them as an issue that is far bigger than just the slice about transwomen. It must be very comfortable to be able to reduce a huge and complex thing down to a single aspect and then focus only on that.

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You don’t see that if women aren’t even able to define what a woman is, and who is supposed to benefit from women’s rights… they’re completely meaningless?

BIossomtoes · 29/09/2024 14:30

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pointythings · 29/09/2024 14:28

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:20

You don’t consider women’s rights to be a big issue?

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Of course I do. I just see them as an issue that is far bigger than just the slice about transwomen. It must be very comfortable to be able to reduce a huge and complex thing down to a single aspect and then focus only on that.

Childfreecatlady · 29/09/2024 14:26

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 23/09/2024 13:53

The only thing I’ve properly disagreed with so far has been the two child cap not being abolished.

Why? Why should people be able to continue having children they can't afford at the tax payers expense?

StMarieforme · 29/09/2024 14:26

After less than 3 months? When they have 14 years of shot to sort out? No I bloody don't.
Make no mistake that had the vote gone the other way there would have been a financial price to pay: however it would ONLY have been targeted on the ordinary and poorer elements of our country, rather than across the board. See Kemi Badenoch's views on Maternity pay for one.

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:21

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:20

You don’t consider women’s rights to be a big issue?

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What about male violence?

ilovesooty · 29/09/2024 14:21

cardibach · 29/09/2024 14:12

She 8s though. She said she resigned over

  • the 2 child cap - manifesto promise
  • donations - information fully available to her pre election
  • abbott’s expulsion - and yet she didn’t resign before Abbott was reinstated
  • the WFA - which she didn’t vote against when she had the chance.
None of those stack up. She used Labour money and contacts and the fact Labour were favourites to win, to get elected as an MP. She’s resigned on,y weeks into the parliamentary session. If she wasn’t a hypocrite she’d have resigned earlier and stood as an independent or, if something she’s not telling us has been a last straw, she should resign as an MP and stand as an independent in the by election. I said the same about Tory MPs who resigned the whip.
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Exactly. My opinion applies to any MP, of any political party who gives up the whip or crosses the floor. If you no longer represent the party whose manifesto you were elected on, your constituents should have the chance to decide whether they want to vote for you as an Independent or elect someone else.

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:20

pointythings · 29/09/2024 14:19

I didn't say that either. However, I do think that people who think that this issue is a more pressing priority than all the issues that affect so many more people are waffling on and missing the bigger picture.

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You don’t consider women’s rights to be a big issue?

pointythings · 29/09/2024 14:19

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 13:58

But women who want to have female-only provision, female-only intimate care etc. is “waffle”?

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I didn't say that either. However, I do think that people who think that this issue is a more pressing priority than all the issues that affect so many more people are waffling on and missing the bigger picture.

BIossomtoes · 29/09/2024 14:12

EasternStandard · 29/09/2024 14:08

Duffield is not a hypocrite she pointed Starmer is, which is the case

Of course she is. She was elected on false pretences. She didn’t vote against means testing WFA or retaining the two child benefit cap. She didn’t defend or support Diane Abbott during the period she was suspended. She’s the definition of hypocrisy.

cardibach · 29/09/2024 14:12

EasternStandard · 29/09/2024 14:08

Duffield is not a hypocrite she pointed Starmer is, which is the case

She 8s though. She said she resigned over

  • the 2 child cap - manifesto promise
  • donations - information fully available to her pre election
  • abbott’s expulsion - and yet she didn’t resign before Abbott was reinstated
  • the WFA - which she didn’t vote against when she had the chance.
None of those stack up. She used Labour money and contacts and the fact Labour were favourites to win, to get elected as an MP. She’s resigned on,y weeks into the parliamentary session. If she wasn’t a hypocrite she’d have resigned earlier and stood as an independent or, if something she’s not telling us has been a last straw, she should resign as an MP and stand as an independent in the by election. I said the same about Tory MPs who resigned the whip.
ToWhitToWhoo · 29/09/2024 14:12

More generally, I do dislike the fact that in our system, most votes are 'whipped', and the party leader has it 'my way or the highway', and you've got to vote with your party like a cloned sheep, or leave it altogether. One of many reasons why I could never be an M.P.! But it's true of both main parties, and to some extent the others, and not specific to Labour .

ilovesooty · 29/09/2024 14:09

Duffield ought to be subject to a by election immediately.

EasternStandard · 29/09/2024 14:08

Duffield is not a hypocrite she pointed Starmer is, which is the case

cardibach · 29/09/2024 14:08

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:07

Any news on what a woman is, @cardibach ?

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Irrelevant to my question. However you responded to a post about Duffield’s hypocrisy, so it’s rather relevant to that, wouldn’t you say?

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:07

cardibach · 29/09/2024 14:02

Any news on whether you can see Duffield’s hypocrisy, @TENSsion ?

Any news on what a woman is, @cardibach ?

cardibach · 29/09/2024 14:02

Any news on whether you can see Duffield’s hypocrisy, @TENSsion ?

ToWhitToWhoo · 29/09/2024 14:00

pointythings · 29/09/2024 13:23

When it comes to women's prisons I'm probably in agreement with you - the prison estate needs to accommodate trans people separately. However, given that it was left without any kind of capacity by the previous government, that piece of work is going to take considerable time.

For the rest of it I have no problems with trans people taking up the benefit of these latest policies. A DV victim is a DV victim - it doesn't matter how they identify, they should get housing priority. The vast, vast majority of DV victims are biological women. Some won't be. Are you saying this last group should be excluded just because they're trans?

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Agree on all these points. Also, a minority of DV victims are non-trans biological males, abused either by female partners or in same-sex relationships. They also deserve housing priority.

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 13:58

pointythings · 29/09/2024 13:56

I didn't say that. <sigh> I said that this piece of policy is going to be massively beneficial to victims of DV, the vast majority of which are biological women. I'm not a single issue voter, I look at the bigger picture.

Yes, refuge services should be single sex, with separate provision for trans people - if only because they will require specialist support tailored to their particular situation.

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But women who want to have female-only provision, female-only intimate care etc. is “waffle”?

pointythings · 29/09/2024 13:56

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 13:51

So we shouldn’t have female only victims of domestic violence support services?

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I didn't say that. <sigh> I said that this piece of policy is going to be massively beneficial to victims of DV, the vast majority of which are biological women. I'm not a single issue voter, I look at the bigger picture.

Yes, refuge services should be single sex, with separate provision for trans people - if only because they will require specialist support tailored to their particular situation.

cardibach · 29/09/2024 13:56

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 13:54

Yes. That’s called coercion in any other situation.

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They aren’t in any other situation.

BIossomtoes · 29/09/2024 13:55

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 13:13

I see your hypocrisy.

Here is a list of all the MPs who voted against the WFA.

Why did you target Rosie specifically?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0rx80yq8jo.amp

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She didn’t vote. Why didn’t she put her money where her mouth is? She didn’t vote for abolishing the two child benefit cap either. What’s the point of her being there?