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To not understand why MIL hasn’t reached out?

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Popandcrackle · 23/09/2024 09:50

My mum passed away very unexpectedly almost four weeks ago. It’s been an incredible shock and I’m still devastated. I posted before about it at the time. I had to leave my partner and daughter for five days to go back home and arrange the funeral. I’m an only child raised by my single mum so I have very few relatives.

At the time my partner phoned his mum and told her what happened, our mums met a few times, mostly when my daughter was a baby and at Dds birthday parties. MIL and I get on pretty well, she’s had Dd for two days a week since she was one until she went to school at four. We have a group WhatsApp which we use to share pics and general chat. We’ve had dinners together however MIL can be reclusive and distant at times. MIL is aware how close I am to my mum, we went on holidays regularly etc. MIL asked partner to pass on how sorry she was and that I was part of their family etc.

However she hasn’t reached out to me personally at all, no texts, no asking how we’re doing or even how her grand daughter is. I asked my partner incase she had messaged him and he said he’s had nothing. I just find it so bizarre that she hasn’t asked in four weeks how we are. I’ve had lots of people from mums life contact me to pass on their condolences yet someone who shared a grandchild with has said nothing. I’m aware I’m very sensitive at the moment but it feels disrespectful to my mum and my gut reaction is to just never speak to her again and let my partner organise anything with Dd. However, she’s just lost one grandparent, I don’t want her to have any barriers to her relationship with her other.

any advice welcome, I know I’m feeling particularly sensitive but I just don’t understand it. I just can’t imagine not reaching out to MIL if she had any bereavement's.

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saraclara · 29/09/2024 08:02

stayathomer · 29/09/2024 07:48

My mum has always said about giving people privacy and space. I’ve always argued that people grieving need everyone more than ever. We will never see eye to eye on it

Neither of you is wrong. Or maybe both of you are. There's no one answer, as every grieving person is different. You both need to be flexible in your thinking and your responses.

stayathomer · 29/09/2024 07:48

My mum has always said about giving people privacy and space. I’ve always argued that people grieving need everyone more than ever. We will never see eye to eye on it

Lifestooshort71 · 29/09/2024 07:42

OhcantthInkofaname · 26/09/2024 02:10

I'm not sure what to tell you. I reached out to my daughter-in-law and her mother when her grandmother died. I sent sympathy cards to her mother because I didn't know her well and she was long distance. I called and spoke to my daughter-in-law.

They both told my son that I overstepped bounds by offering condolences. So I'm not sure what advice to offer you.

Gosh! Obviously some very mixed up feelings from your DIL's family. I wonder whether your son agreed that you'd 'overstepped the mark'? It's a minefield sometimes being a MIL x

AmIEnough · 27/09/2024 08:02

Maray1967 · 23/09/2024 10:26

How on earth did you reach that interpretation?

Referencing your name, I’d suggest that this is one occasion when you have been unreasonable.

OP, I’d let your DH handle this. She should certainly have sent a card by now. Mine would have sent a card and flowers.

Exactly this!! No idea how this interpretation was reached

AmIEnough · 27/09/2024 08:01

@Almostneverunreasonable

what? Where did you get all this from? Did you read her OP? I’m so sorry for your loss OP

OhcantthInkofaname · 26/09/2024 02:10

I'm not sure what to tell you. I reached out to my daughter-in-law and her mother when her grandmother died. I sent sympathy cards to her mother because I didn't know her well and she was long distance. I called and spoke to my daughter-in-law.

They both told my son that I overstepped bounds by offering condolences. So I'm not sure what advice to offer you.

Goodtogossip · 25/09/2024 13:53

Could it be that she doesn't know what to say or doesn't want to say anything in case she unintentionally upsets you. I never know what to say to someone who has lost someone close & usually offer a huge hug.

AtlanticMum · 25/09/2024 07:12

Bikkigirl · 24/09/2024 20:13

My brother dried suddenly and tragically in his thirties, I had been with my husband around 12 years at that point, neither of my sisters in law got in touch or sent a card. They had met him, but even if they hadn’t this is a member of their brothers close family, uncle to their nieces and nephews…how could they not reach out. A text or if you don’t feel confident enough just a card to say thinking of you…it costs so little. I was so hurt and felt like it really showed how much they thought (or didn’t think) of me. We are civil but I will never forget their lack of empathy to a young family in a tragic situation.

Exactly this

Askingforafriendtoday · 24/09/2024 23:59

Bigearringsbigsmile · 23/09/2024 10:18

She's scared of interfering, I'll bet.
She doesn't want you feeling like " oh god, now I've got the mother in law on at me".
She's sent love via your husband and she's showing love in practical ways. I'd just let this lie.

This. I think she is purposely not trying to overstep and step into surrogate mother, only grandmother left role. I am very sorry for your loss but I do think this feeling is to do with your current feelings of loss and sadness... she has reached out to you via DH after all

Minxmumma · 24/09/2024 23:31

I can see this from both sides.

Yes you are feeling very sensitive and raw right now, rightfully so. Its been four years since I lost my Mum and still around the anniversary I fall back into that prickly tearful state.
Allow yourself to grieve, don't jump to conclusions about your MIL. The dynamics are complicated,

Yes your MIL could have reached out to you. BUT perhaps she is acutely aware of how close you and your dm were and is mindful of intruding to much / being seen as stepping on toes etc.

My MIL still gets very quiet around me over those few days every year. And we are very close. She just doesn't know "the right thing" to say so perhaps wisely chooses to say little.
Maybe you could ask dh to pass on your thanks and to suggest she reach out, that you would like her to.

Give yourself time and space to process your emotions. Gentle hugs and beyond sorry for your loss.

Disturbia81 · 24/09/2024 22:00

I've been through grief too many times and this always happens
So often the people closest go into hiding until they feel you're out of the trenches.
And the ones you thought were acquaintances go above and beyond.
Every time

MandEmummy · 24/09/2024 20:41

It's not ideal at all but like others have suggested it's probably because she's awkward and doesn't know what to say.
I live in the UK but I have family in Turkey and in laws in Portugal and find those countries are much approachable regarding death. The people in the UK are SUPER awkward about it where it's so cringe.
If I were you I'd speak to her about it though at some point or else you'll hold on to that resentment for a looooooong time.

Bikkigirl · 24/09/2024 20:13

My brother dried suddenly and tragically in his thirties, I had been with my husband around 12 years at that point, neither of my sisters in law got in touch or sent a card. They had met him, but even if they hadn’t this is a member of their brothers close family, uncle to their nieces and nephews…how could they not reach out. A text or if you don’t feel confident enough just a card to say thinking of you…it costs so little. I was so hurt and felt like it really showed how much they thought (or didn’t think) of me. We are civil but I will never forget their lack of empathy to a young family in a tragic situation.

SisterAgatha · 24/09/2024 19:24

aperolspritzbasicbitch · 23/09/2024 10:35

Sorry for your loss OP.

Going against the grain here, I think that your MIL is massively out of order.

I don't think it takes much to even send something as small as a quick text to say 'I'm so sorry, you are in my thoughts, please let me know if you need anything'

It's actually fairly easy to be supportive without being overbearing.

I can see why you are hurt.

I agree with this.

I think at a time of bereavement it’s important to support the bereaved outside of your own feelings of awkwardness or “not being able” to deal with it. It’s not about MIL, it’s about you.

Id not be able to teach out either. In a similar scenario, my DH asked directly why they hadn’t been in contact and maybe a check in would be the nice thing to do. Which they did. It was the best I was going to get but it did mean something. YANBU and I’m sorry for you loss x

Purpl · 24/09/2024 19:18

losing your mum is so hard. grief is exhausting and your emotions can make you get the situation seem worse than it is. that will go for everything. even petty things like someone queue jumping.
if you can message her saying sorry not been in touch feeling so sad and overwhelmed at moment hopefully that might get her to respond. i’m sure it’s just awkwardness. i’m mean it’s just so difficult knowing what to say with bereavements big hugs

AtlanticMum · 24/09/2024 18:59

Totally recognise and appreciate your unmet expectations OP and I am very sorry for your loss. I lost a sibling during lockdown and my MIL similarly went completely NC - it was cruel, weird and completely unsupportive with a large dose of ‘my grief taking centre stage from her’ through that time. I called it out and asked why not so much as a card, a phonecall, flowers - nada. No acknowledgement whatsoever. All I got was hysteria - how dare I call her out-I was clearly mad - ‘you lot’ are obsessed with grief. ( This was the sudden and tragic death of a young parent of two children). I found the whole thing so upsetting and downright disappointing - shocking actually. I have gone full no contact now and it doesn’t bother me. I get that some people just don’t know how to ‘be’ around death. And that’s fine if you are a teenager who hasn’t perhaps experienced it previously or know how to activate your empathy. It’s not okay for a mother and grandmother to behave like this.

Laura95167 · 24/09/2024 18:30

Maybe reach our and tell her? She might think she's giving you space to grieve or be unsure what to say.

You might need to tell her what you need

Wingingit247 · 24/09/2024 17:56

Oh OP I am so sorry, you must be feeling so adrift right now 💐

I lost a little boy at 13 days old and got blanked, shunned and ghosted by countless friends and acquaintances. People don’t know how to deal with death, so they ignore it, and you by default. All about her and not you I promise. But I know that’s not what you need when a few comforting words and a little care goes a long way - hugs

HauntedbyMagpies · 24/09/2024 15:02

RossGellersCat · 23/09/2024 11:43

I'm really sorry for your loss OP.

I think your MiL for whatever reason hadn't felt able to show you support, and you're not unreasonable to feel hurt by this. Both can be true.

For validation if nothing else, my uncle passed away a couple of weeks ago (died 'young' from cancer). Told my MiL when we saw her and literally all she said to me was "oh. But you knew he was ill". None of the conventional 'I'm so sorry to hear that, are you ok?' etc. And coming from someone who lost their own younger sibling to cancer and was devastated by this. I've always sent her a message after any sad news she has received to let her know I was thinking about her. I was initially angry and upset, but told myself I have support from my DH, I don't need it from his family and will now know not to expect it from them going forward.

How appalling. I would've kicked her out straightaway.

HauntedbyMagpies · 24/09/2024 14:59

Doesn't sound like she cares very much. My mum has become a bit like this as she's become elderly. She's 80 now and doesn't care about anything or anyone except herself. I'm not saying that's how it is for all old people - obviously not! But it could be the case.

I'm sorry for your loss, OP.

Nothinglikeagoodbook · 24/09/2024 12:58

kindlyensure · 23/09/2024 11:05

I'm so sorry about your mum and yes, of course your MIL should have reached out to you. You will feel angry at her now but further down the line I think you won't feel so strongly. But it may inform how you react to other's bereavements.

As an example, my dad died suddenly and unexpectedly. Some members of DH's family rang me on hearing the news. I really appreciated that and was very touched and surprised by it. I wanted to tell the story (over and over!) and I wanted them to acknowledge how painful it was and how sorry they were- and they allowed me to do that.

It made me realise that if someone you are close to suffers a bereavement, you should have a conversation with them soonest - something that, without personal experience, I probably hadn't done previously (other than a sympathy card). My thinking was they need space/time to grieve/it's too early.

But it is never unwelcome and always appreciated. You cannot make the bereaved person feel any worse. (Unless you really put your foot in it, eg 'I never liked him much'!!)

Some people I thought I was close to did not reach out. I was resentful at the time, but I have learned to let it go and now actually, I also can't remember exactly who rang me and who didn't. But I remember the sentiment and I try to carry that forward.

I’m afraid I don’t agree that phone calls after a bereavement are never unwelcome. I hated them. I didn’t want to talk to people saying the same things over and over again and expecting me to tell them details I didn’t want to talk about. I wanted to be able to mourn on my own terms, in my own way, not theirs. I felt some people were phoning because they were thinking about what would make them feel better, not about whether they were sure I would welcome the calls.

I much preferred it when people sent sympathy cards, most of which I didn’t feel the need to respond to. We're all different.

saraclara · 23/09/2024 14:29

smallchange · 23/09/2024 12:22

I'm so sorry for your loss. It's hard to have this in your head on top of everything else.

I do think people assume everyone is like them and will want what they want in difficult situations. So some will send flowers as it would be a great comfort to them, unaware that the recipient hates being surrounded by fading bouquets.

Others will phone, unaware that it's the last thing the person can deal with at the moment and a card or message without need to reply would have been much better.

If your response is the majority response (appreciate a call, want people to stay in touch, find flowers a tangible and welcome sign of how you are loved and your loved one is being remembered), then you're much more likely to get it right. For those of us who have the minority response (just want to withdraw, find having to repond "correctly" to people just checking in exhausting and unhelpful) we have to be more careful not to offend and it's difficult to judge.

I suspect your mil responded as she would have liked to have been treated and didn't mean to hurt you, but it doesn't stop it hurting none the less.

I think that sums it up. I'm very aware that my response to grief and loss isn't everyone's. So I massively overthink how to respond to other people's losses. And then still get it wrong, I suspect.

OP, of you withdraw as you plan, this will only get worse. It won't help your grief. Negotiating this long path, you need people beside you. And given how thoughtful your MIL has been in the past, there's no reason to think that she won't ultimately be a positive companion.

Communication is key when people have accidentally got it wrong @Popandcrackle . So get your DH to pass along the message that you'd like to hear from her, and that you need some support. Have something positive come out of this, and don't add more negativity into your life.

ChampagneLassie · 23/09/2024 13:52

I would give her benefit of the doubt, she passed on love via your DP and I suspect is of belief to give you space and that you’re close enough that you’d reach out to her. Perhaps there is also something of it flagging her own mortality that makes her uncomfortable. But I don’t think she’s done anything that suggests wilfully mean.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 23/09/2024 13:43

For what it's worth OP, your MIL may just be doing what she'd want in the same circumstances.

When my Mum died I found DPs family a bit overwhelming. What I mostly wanted was to be left alone, and while their messages and phone calls were obviously well meaning, I wish they'd just passed them on via DP and left it for me to get in touch when I was ready. If felt the same about work mates etc getting in touch. The only people I really was comfortable speaking to at that time was DP, my brother, and one or two really close friends.

So your MILs response would have been perfect for me, but not for you. I imagine if you question your husband about it, she's probably asking after you frequently.

thepariscrimefiles · 23/09/2024 13:40

saraclara · 23/09/2024 11:56

She's a good person. Don't over-think this.

my gut reaction is to just never speak to her again and let my partner organise anything with Dd. However, she’s just lost one grandparent, I don’t want her to have any barriers to her relationship with her other.

This is grief speaking. You know that this would be a massive MASSIVE over-reaction, right? When this woman has been nothing but kind and thoughtful to you until this?

Talk to your partner (without being critical of his mum) and say that you're confused by her not contacting you, and does he think she's worried about being tactless. Maybe he could then just let her know that you'd be pleased to hear from her

I initially thought that my MIL was lovely and she was great when I had my first baby. Then my mum died completely unexpectedly when my baby was 4 months' old. My MIL then began to be really horrible to me. It was as though she didn't have any competition and she could be as unkind as she liked with no repercussions as she was the only grandmother my baby had.