To be annoyed the charity shop called me rude

I just tell them that I'm not a taxpayer (true) and they just leave it

@ohmydays37 it seems a strange conversation.
For me it would have gone -
Her : "Postcode"
Me : "What for?"
Her : "Gift Aid"
Me : "Oh I'm not a tax payer".
The End.
Anyway.....just forget about it now. It's done.
Either go to a different charity shop next time or just say "I'm not a tax payer".
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Last time I donated I didn't do gift aid as it's such a long process of forms etc and no one was rude to me

DH was self employed and I have no idea how much tax he paid, other than knowing it was very little if any some years. I wouldn't have gift aided anything on his behalf as I wouldn't know whether it would be covered by his tax.

'How can you not understand this' 😂 come on now, no need for the hyperbole. If he pays tax (which his wife of course in reality knows) then he is eligible for gift aid. It's really not rocket science and it's a normal everyday interaction. Practical life doesn't always involve being absolutely black and white.

Gift Aid is a Tax Declaration, you shouldn't be giving it on behalf of anyone else.

It’s not though - if you don’t pay tax and they mark you down as giving gift aid, you get charged the tax when you do your tax return. It’s not ‘free’ for everyone.

What I don't understand is why she didn't just say "I'm not eligible for gift aid" rather than going through all that nonsense about gift aid being something her husband deals with.

I was in a charity shop yesterday and overheard an exchange between one of the volunteers and a would-be donor (it was all very polite). The volunteer expressed reluctance to accept the bag and said 'Unless you're gift-aiding it? We can accept it if you're gift-aiding?'

Not sure whether to be or sad that it appears not worth the charity's time to sort through all the old crap they get given without having to prioritise gift aided donations in order to offset that. So perhaps those who gift-aid are subsidising the lazy buggers who use charity shops to offload any old crap (i.e. they should be going to the tip instead)?

Because it's not HER tax details. How can you not understand this?

Missing the point.

The woman at the school was rude and quite frankly quite peculiar calling a costumer/donator rude for simply not wanting to share details. It's the OPs prerogative

That doesn't make her rude. The shop person on the other hand

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People should be very careful signing up for gift aid anyway, you shouldn't be repeatedly giving charities permission to write off against tax you've paid without understanding how much tax you've paid and how much gift aid total is being claimed in a tax year, particularly for people who are self employed and do their own taxes. Charity shops I've found can be extremely pushy about it. But I agree, I've known adults with learning disabilities I volunteered with who went on to work in charity shops

It’s been a while but by signing a gift aid declaration you are making a legal declaration that you are that person. It’s a form of fraud / misrepresentation to sign it on someone else’s behalf. Fair enough if they’ve previously registered for gift aid and you are dropping stuff off with their knowledge.

Assuming the OP is allowed to speak before being spoken to by her dh, the conversation would have been something like

• I'm going to the chazza today, can I pass on your details for gift aid?

• yeah, that's fine love, thanks for keeping on top of this stuff.

Job done.

She has no right to sign her husband up to anything, including gift aid , without his permission.

That's not womaning up.

In my experience, charities tend to sell on personal information about donors, subscribe to one and a perpetual flood of demands from one and all hits you. So now I never give my name and address to any of them.

You what? ! " Sorry, I'm not a tax payer but my husband is, here are his details" is a reasonable response assuming you knew you were taking a large donation to a charity shop. It is definitely annoying when a charity shop doesn't ask if you'd like to gift aud, they are missing a significant income because the person on the till can't do the paperwork or the menager doesn't have time.
This trip didn't take you by surprise.
Woman up

I pay tax but I don't gift aid -it's my choice. I want the usual percent of my income to go to tax, and on top of that I donate to charity. Gift aid is a choice (if you pay tax) but charity shop staff/volunteers often get arsey when I say no thanks.

I hate going into the shops when donating, eventhough it is good stuff. We have charity drop off bins at the recycling stops dotted around, which is SO much quicker and easier to use and no people to talk to 😉

Gift Aid is given by the government. Guess where they get the money from.

When I said I couldn't do gift aid as I don't lay tax, the woman in the charity shop pulled a face and sighed.

Today I was arranging for some baby equipment to be picked up. He was so rude on the phone I made an excuse. He said the pick up slot might go so I said that's fine if it does, I'll ring someone else where the phone call doesn't go as this one had.

@surreygirl1987 there might be more legitimacy in the argument that gift aid was a redirection of taxes from the government (and hence public purse) if charities didn't plug such a massive gap in social provisions. true not every single one does but thousands upon thousands do. The government is reliant upon these organisation both as service providers and as vehicles to generate the necessary funding. There are reciprocal benefits here. The government does not give away revenue out of the goodness of its heart.. it makes good business sense to. hence tax breaks to the individual to donate. Of all the tax breaks to get worked up about Gift aid really shouldn't be one of them. Not whilst as a society we are reliant on charities to house, feed and care for us.

The initial comment I was replying to was 'I don't ga to charities because of (percieved) fat cat CEOs'...hence the question of is there the same moral objection to consumerism that actually feed fat cat CEOs (and shareholders) - where a whole host of other tax breaks which can apply ...and there are deliberate and highly orchestrated structures in place precisely to avoid paying tax

Also as someone who has had to spent a lot of work hours thinking about gift aid...this thread has surprised me in just how many people don't understand how it works. I can only assume that this is the same for people's understanding of the charity sector as a whole in the UK.

It's not the postcode, it would have to be in her DH's name as he's the taxpayer in the household.

I wouldn't want my DH to sign me up for Gift Aid.