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Neighbour kicked my door down/broke in

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Sparklfairy · 22/09/2024 20:51

AIBU to expect the police to arrest/remove him...?

I live alone in a flat in a block of 4. I have met this neighbour just once, and introduced myself. A few weeks ago he knocked on my door, not threateningly, but persistently - consistent knocking for 3-4 minutes... at 1.30am. I was awake as I WFH but nights, and just ignored it.

He went away, and there's been nothing since. Until yesterday at 6-something in the morning. Again, I was working but the flat was in total silence. No tv or any noise that would disturb him, I was literally just sitting on my bed.

Suddenly I heard a bang and froze. I was confused and didn't know what it was and was trying to work out where it was coming from. 3 or 4 further bangs and my front door burst open and he was stood there, swaying, glassy eyed.

I screamed. It's a studio, tiny flat, like one of those micro flats that you see advertised but yes, this is my life and I had no escape, no room to hide in, not even a bathroom with a lock on the door (as there is no lock, and the bathroom is opposite the front door).

I screamed at him, he said I was 'in' his head, fucking with his head (when I've done absolutely nothing), and when he tried to step towards me I screamed again and he suddenly 'clicked', became lucid and said ok and left. I was shaking.

My other neighbour (upstairs, but next door to him), texted me saying he heard screaming, and let me take refuge in his flat. Before I did, I obviously called 999. The police seemed non committal, that someone would come out at some point. 36 hours later I've had no visit.

But here is the kicker. When hiding in my neighbours flat, my friend/neighbour had the bright idea of just knocking on his door and talking to crazy tenant. He has recorded the conversation where crazy tenant admits I did nothing wrong but I just 'remind him' of someone and that's why he broke my door down

I rang 101 with the crime ref to update. The lady was so helpful and checked with her supervisor as she was astonished no one had come out to me yet. She reassured me that someone would attend and it had been miscategorised/recategorised now.

It's now nearly 9pm on Sunday and STILL nothing. I can't go home. The lock has been 'fixed' but obviously Crazy Tenant has proven that he can break it whenever he likes. I live alone. I have stressed every single detail which should have escalated this, but nothing is being done. I have chased with the letting agent but basically they're saying I have to wait until Monday for any action to be done. And even then, they were non committal as to WHAT would happen.

So I'm stuck, and cannot go home, and my rent is due today. I have no idea what to do.

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GuestFeatu · 23/09/2024 11:34

AncoraAmarena · 23/09/2024 11:21

You've misread it. The OP has stated that 3 of the flats, hers included are private rents. The other one is temporary - i.e. the guy that has barged into her flat.

Yes, apologies. In that case the council need to be moving the tenant on. It's still not her landlord's responsibility though.

ThisPresetIsSelected · 23/09/2024 11:31

IfOnlyTheyWent · 23/09/2024 11:10

How on earth does it sound like she has paranoia? The arm chair detectives on this thread are astounding.

Not defending the statement but I think OP said "I don't trust the police so I won't tell them where I'm staying" then later clarified she meant "I think the police will (accidentally or not) tell the violent man where I am staying" which makes much more sense. Obviously not her fault people interpreted what she was saying in a broader sense but you can see why MNers who don't really read the thread carefully latched on it.

AncoraAmarena · 23/09/2024 11:21

GuestFeatu · 23/09/2024 11:05

That's great news in a way, because you can petition the council to move you. I'm still not sure why you're focusing on the landlord as being the one who needs to do something as they let their properties via the council but at least it's a non traditional type of tenancy that can be ended or amended if your housing officer agrees to move you.
Of course the council should be moving him but they probably won't. If they did would you feel safe going back?

You've misread it. The OP has stated that 3 of the flats, hers included are private rents. The other one is temporary - i.e. the guy that has barged into her flat.

YaCannyKickYaGrannyInTheShin · 23/09/2024 11:21

blessedday · 23/09/2024 11:07

This is appalling and the police should have been out to you by now. I'd keep calling them on the hour every hour until they respond.

Get onto your MP (google them and their office email will be right there) and put
URGENT in the email heading. Basically turn your post above into the email. It's their job to put pressure on the police chief to find out why nobody's responded to you. Also copy in your police and crime commissioner for the area.

Is there any way you can make the front door temporarily safe so that he can't kick it in again?

Sending hugs.

I know this is well meaning advice, but you haven't read past the opening post, have you?

OutVileJelly1 · 23/09/2024 11:20

ok - OP, you need to move. Now. You wont win.

I am absolutely on your side but i have seen up close, how there is little protection in the community for people against those with serious and enduring violent MH issues.

I have a family member - lets call him 'Bob', (vulnerable adult) who was in this situation - in a small block of flats with a schizophrenic upstairs neighbor who honed in on Bobs vulnerabilities within a month of Bob moving in there

The neighbour broke into Bobs flat three times - whilst Bob was at home. He smashed Bobs nose, and cheekbone and Bob dare not leave his home as had to share a communal doorway

This mentally unwell neighbor would scream at kids in the street asking if they had seen bodies etc

The nottingham attacker ,this neighbor was another one who you could see had the real potential to go that way

The police and housing association were useless. THe police told Bob that he might as well drop the charges as it would not go anywhere, and visited him four times over a period of 24 hours to pressure him in to doing so

The housing association said their hands were tied as this neighbor had 'capacity' to choose where he lived. Three times this neighbour was sectioned and three times he returned getting more violent each time

I was trying to assist and trying to get bob moved became a full time job as each day there were calls and emails to social services, mps, counsellors, solicitors, police, housing association, mental health professionals etc etc. There were recordings, even a video of the neighbour screaming in Bobs face that he was going to kill bob. The police refused to even visit that time...sent the mental health team round to section him again

No one could help. Everyone involved said that this neighbour had the very real threat of seriously harming bob....but all agencies hands were tied

the police were appauling - they almost seemed to want to save themselves the paperwwork of dealing with it

Eventually Bob walked away from the flat and made himself intentionally homeless and left the city that all his family lived in.

Heartbreaking

Thistooshallpass24 · 23/09/2024 11:20

@blessedday the op is in a meeting with police now, she made arrangements to meet at 11am today

DaphneduM · 23/09/2024 11:17

PigeonLady · 23/09/2024 10:20

When you go to the police ask have they made a referral to mental health crisis team.

I would actually call them up now to double check in advance so they can’t lie.

The guy needs to be assessed for a section.

That’s the only chance you have to get him gone quickly.

Good luck.

This is absolutely excellent advice. There should be multi-agency working between the police and the mental health social work team to stage an urgent intervention.

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 23/09/2024 11:15

Bumblebeestiltskin · 23/09/2024 10:56

OK, it sounded like you were struggling with paranoia (I dislike/distrust the police, but if I'd reported something and they wanted to take a report, I definitely wouldn't refuse to tell them where I was). But I've caught up with the thread and seems like you were just tired/stressed?

Anyway, good luck today, I think it's absolutely shocking they didn't come out after your 999 call!

I don't think she sounds paranoid at all, I think she as very sensibly removed herself from a dangerous and volatile situation and alerted the appropriate people who have subsequently responded in quite a dismissive fashion.

Good luck with everything @Sparklfairy

IfOnlyTheyWent · 23/09/2024 11:10

Bumblebeestiltskin · 23/09/2024 10:56

OK, it sounded like you were struggling with paranoia (I dislike/distrust the police, but if I'd reported something and they wanted to take a report, I definitely wouldn't refuse to tell them where I was). But I've caught up with the thread and seems like you were just tired/stressed?

Anyway, good luck today, I think it's absolutely shocking they didn't come out after your 999 call!

How on earth does it sound like she has paranoia? The arm chair detectives on this thread are astounding.

blessedday · 23/09/2024 11:07

This is appalling and the police should have been out to you by now. I'd keep calling them on the hour every hour until they respond.

Get onto your MP (google them and their office email will be right there) and put
URGENT in the email heading. Basically turn your post above into the email. It's their job to put pressure on the police chief to find out why nobody's responded to you. Also copy in your police and crime commissioner for the area.

Is there any way you can make the front door temporarily safe so that he can't kick it in again?

Sending hugs.

GuestFeatu · 23/09/2024 11:05

Sparklfairy · 23/09/2024 10:51

That flat is temporary accomodation. The council has an arrangement with the LL where they put people in there while they find them somewhere permanent.

The other three flats in the block, including mine, are private rents with the same LL. I don't have 'needs'.

That's great news in a way, because you can petition the council to move you. I'm still not sure why you're focusing on the landlord as being the one who needs to do something as they let their properties via the council but at least it's a non traditional type of tenancy that can be ended or amended if your housing officer agrees to move you.
Of course the council should be moving him but they probably won't. If they did would you feel safe going back?

Bumblebeestiltskin · 23/09/2024 10:56

Sparklfairy · 23/09/2024 10:51

That flat is temporary accomodation. The council has an arrangement with the LL where they put people in there while they find them somewhere permanent.

The other three flats in the block, including mine, are private rents with the same LL. I don't have 'needs'.

OK, it sounded like you were struggling with paranoia (I dislike/distrust the police, but if I'd reported something and they wanted to take a report, I definitely wouldn't refuse to tell them where I was). But I've caught up with the thread and seems like you were just tired/stressed?

Anyway, good luck today, I think it's absolutely shocking they didn't come out after your 999 call!

Sparklfairy · 23/09/2024 10:51

Bumblebeestiltskin · 23/09/2024 10:48

Is it some kind of supported accommodation? Because it sounds like both you and your neighbour have needs - in which case do you have a support worker to help with this?

That flat is temporary accomodation. The council has an arrangement with the LL where they put people in there while they find them somewhere permanent.

The other three flats in the block, including mine, are private rents with the same LL. I don't have 'needs'.

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Bumblebeestiltskin · 23/09/2024 10:48

Sparklfairy · 22/09/2024 23:10

The reactions to this are so weird. They have failed in their basic duty to protect me, so no, I'm not telling them where I am, because it's the only place that I am 100% safe.

However, I have made arrangements that I will go to them tomorrow morning. I'm accommodating them, just not in the way they dictate.

This is their fuck up, not mine. It's on me to protect myself because they won't.

Is it some kind of supported accommodation? Because it sounds like both you and your neighbour have needs - in which case do you have a support worker to help with this?

BunnyLake · 23/09/2024 10:43

Sparklfairy · 22/09/2024 23:45

Okay so they wouldn't have come immediately. I'd have had to stay up all night waiting for whenever they had time. Surely it's better that I define the time of 11am tomorrow that just wait for them to turn up, or not turn up.

I agree with you OP and can see why you want to keep safe and have some control over when you see the police. Also being at the police station rather than in a cosy hotel will bring it home to them they have a job to do.

magicmole · 23/09/2024 10:37

WearyAuldWumman · 22/09/2024 23:52

Given what the OP said about the police seeming to assume that this was some kind of neighbourly dispute where "both sides" were at fault, my impression was that she's lost all trust in the police and fears that they might be stupid enough to let slip her location.

This. I can see why some think the OP is being obstructive but there are far too many examples where the police (and other organisations) have shared information they shouldn't have.

So I can also understand why someone might be happier to fix a time to go to them rather than have them come to where she currently feels safe.

https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/media-centre/news-and-blogs/2023/09/data-breaches-put-domestic-abuse-victims-lives-at-risk-uk-information-commissioner-warns/

Data breaches put domestic abuse victims’ lives at risk, UK Information Commissioner warns

Warning comes after the ICO reprimands seven organisations in the past 14 months for data breaches affecting victims of domestic abuse. Most cases related to organisations inappropriately disclosing the victim’s home address to alleged perpetrators....

https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/media-centre/news-and-blogs/2023/09/data-breaches-put-domestic-abuse-victims-lives-at-risk-uk-information-commissioner-warns

PigeonLady · 23/09/2024 10:20

When you go to the police ask have they made a referral to mental health crisis team.

I would actually call them up now to double check in advance so they can’t lie.

The guy needs to be assessed for a section.

That’s the only chance you have to get him gone quickly.

Good luck.

Starlight7080 · 23/09/2024 10:03

That sounds very scary . Have any of your other neighbours had any problems with him?
I'm not surprised the police didn't show up . Which is very sad to say.
I hope something gets sorted today so you can atleast go home and feel safe .

Allthehorsesintheworld · 23/09/2024 10:02

@Sparklfairy Good luck at police station this morning. Take a notebook or use your phone and take the name and number of anyone you speak to. Useful if needed in the future and shows them you mean business.
Ask why they didn’t attend and tell them you’re recording their answer.

Domainedor · 23/09/2024 10:01

Sparklfairy · 23/09/2024 09:48

It's not off base, although I appreciate your advice. It's more I'm treading some dodgy ground Wink According to the tenancy agreement which I've double checked, my rent isn't officially 'late' until it's 14 days late. So I have a bit of leeway for them to get this resolved, and then I'll just pay it (in full), no drama.

Obviously I haven't seen your Tenancy Agreement but I would strongly suspect (because it's very common) that the 14-day provision relates to when the Landlord is entitled to charge you for additional amounts (e.g., interest) on top of the rent you owe. That doesn't mean that you're allowed to pay your rent up to 14 days late, or prevent the landlord from initiating an eviction.

ThisPresetIsSelected · 23/09/2024 09:58

OP you deserve better treatment from the police. Out of interest if you had a thumb lock on before, how come it wasn't replaced? Lazy landlord? (I'm assuming it was that same flat?)

I HOPE that once you make it clear you're not going to sit back and take it - while not being obstructive and remaining polite.... - they might start to act, to get you off their backs...

Best of luck. I really can't imagine how it must have felt.

AnonymousBleep · 23/09/2024 09:49

Get in contact with your local councillor and local MP if you've not done so already. You need to escalate this as you're potentially in danger (as you know).

housethatbuiltme · 23/09/2024 09:49

I just realized in case my story wasn't clear advice. Hopefully this won't ever happen to you again but IF it does have the police/emergency services on speed dial.

Calls are recorded and they HAVE to respond to a crime in action especially a violent one where as if you phone after the fact they have a 'whats happened has happened and is over and in the past now so we can do the statement now or in 6 weeks time' type attitude.

If they failed to respond to a violent recorded 'in real time' call they would be held over a barrel and hung out to dry if anything did happen so you have strong basis for a complaint.

Sparklfairy · 23/09/2024 09:48

Domainedor · 23/09/2024 09:45

OP, I read your email to the letting agent and just wanted to flag that you cannot unilaterally decide to withhold a portion of your rent. You'd be putting yourself in default of your tenancy agreement. Respectfully, your understanding of the law seems way off-base. Not trying to be unkind, this sounds like a horrific experience, amd you don't want to inadvertently put yourself in a more vulnerable position, even if you feel as though your position is morally justified.

It's not off base, although I appreciate your advice. It's more I'm treading some dodgy ground Wink According to the tenancy agreement which I've double checked, my rent isn't officially 'late' until it's 14 days late. So I have a bit of leeway for them to get this resolved, and then I'll just pay it (in full), no drama.

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Domainedor · 23/09/2024 09:45

OP, I read your email to the letting agent and just wanted to flag that you cannot unilaterally decide to withhold a portion of your rent. You'd be putting yourself in default of your tenancy agreement. Respectfully, your understanding of the law seems way off-base. Not trying to be unkind, this sounds like a horrific experience, amd you don't want to inadvertently put yourself in a more vulnerable position, even if you feel as though your position is morally justified.