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Why do so many women blame peri menopausal for their moods?

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needsomewarmsunshine · 22/09/2024 14:07

It's a totally natural thing but so many on here blame it for moods, bad behaviour, petty thinking and more. Inspired by another thread becoming annoyed about two men wearing caps in a restaurant.
You don't like it but why blame it on peri ? You are allowed to be annoyed /irritated about anything you want. It doesn't need an excuse to be human, just makes women look a slave to their moods.
I've been through it and used to get pmt badly. You are women and your body is taking its natural course in life.
If someone is being a twat, they are a twat whether you are peri of have pmt.
Ready to be flamed😄

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Cantsleeper · 22/09/2024 15:27

I like how the op of that post was annoyed about everyone ‘having an excuse’ while using peri as an excuse to be judgemental 😂 I see both sides. I get horrendous PMS and am currently all up and down with breastfeeding/postpartum hormones. I feel ‘run’ by my hormones most of the time! I acknowledge it and apologise if I’ve been a dick, and I don’t use it as an excuse to be more of a dick!

Getonwitit · 22/09/2024 15:26

I was never peri menopausal, I was just a moody cow. I had a hysterectomy that brought on the menopause and i was an even moodier cow, i own my moods but not every woman can, they will come up with any excuse for being mardy. It would seem the vast majority of British women become peri menopausal at aged 21.

Choochoo21 · 22/09/2024 15:24

MsKatia · 22/09/2024 15:08

I'm 51 so probably peri, no symptoms yet though and I don't have any rage. I don't live with men though, so I think that's probably an advantage.

I was mildly annoyed at work though, when a male colleague referred to a female colleague who forgot something. She blamed peri, and he repeated it. I was annoyed with him, not her Wink

Why were you annoyed at him?

Choochoo21 · 22/09/2024 15:23

YANBU

It does affect your mood but that is absolutely no excuse to act like a bitch.

Same as when you come on your period.
Some women really struggle to regulate their emotions but again it’s no excuse to be a dick.

Every person you meet that is rude to you is likely because they’re stressed about something - but that is absolutely no excuse.

We are responsible for our own behaviour.

If we are feeling short tempered then we should try and remove ourselves from the situation if we cannot regulate our emotions.

We shouldn’t have to pay the price because you are in a bad mood.

spikeandbuffy · 22/09/2024 15:21

I mean yes I'm allowed to be angry but every month I get angry, then burst into tears and say "I don't know what's wrong with me" and get really stressed about it
Then I check my phone app and without fail I'll be due on
Otherwise I would think I was going mad because it's so sudden and so unlike me

pigsDOfly · 22/09/2024 15:18

I'm way past the age of peri and menopause, being almost 76.

I didn't go down the usual menopause route as I has a total hysterectomy in my late 40s and was on HRT for a number of years.

I don't have mood swings but I can, and do still get angry about a number of things: politics (particularly Brexit), injustice, the treatment of women and so on and so on; the list is long.

What I have found though, is that as I've aged I've become more comfortable with expressing my opinions.

When I was younger I would bite my lip, more often than not, in order not to offend or upset anyone. And often if I did voice my opinions they might be ridiculed, or I'd been seen as a nag or harridan.

I think a lot of women have been made to feel that they need to offer a reason for having an opinion sometimes; almost as an apology for their thoughts, otherwise they might be called a 'Karen'.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 22/09/2024 15:11

Thepeopleversuswork · 22/09/2024 14:43

@AllProperTeaIsTheft

Maybe because what you're saying doesn't make any sense. Hormones are capable of having very real, very powerful effects on all kinds of things in the body and and brain, including mood. It's no more wrong for a woman to recognise and acknowledge that perimenopause is affecting her state of mind than it is to recognise that, for example, teenage boys' behaviour can be affected by hormonal changes during puberty

I think both can be true though?

Peri undoubtedly can make people anxious, short-tempered, moody and intolerant. Thats unequivocally true.

But it is also true that “hormones” is an established get-out-of-jail-free for women who have been brought up to believe it’s unseemly or unfemine to tell people in direct language that they are pissed off.

As a recovering people pleaser I have done this many many times. My ex husband would typically respond to any criticism or anger from me by saying: “Are you on your period?”

It’s a time honoured way to shut down valid criticism from women and sadly we are shockingly complicit.

Well yes. You can be pissed off because you're pissed off and you can be pissed off (or extra pissed off) because hormones are affecting your mood. Either may be understandable. But what the OP really seems to be saying is 'Stop talking about how menopause affects your mood. It's natural, and therefore nothing to complain about, so shut up. Also, you're probably just pretending it's your hormones when actually you're just a horrible, angry woman. So doubly shut up.'

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 22/09/2024 15:11

I agree to some extent, but like clockwork every month the week before my period I will rage at every little thing it's awful. Hormones causing mood swings are a real thing unfortunately!

MsKatia · 22/09/2024 15:08

I'm 51 so probably peri, no symptoms yet though and I don't have any rage. I don't live with men though, so I think that's probably an advantage.

I was mildly annoyed at work though, when a male colleague referred to a female colleague who forgot something. She blamed peri, and he repeated it. I was annoyed with him, not her Wink

Floofydawg · 22/09/2024 15:08

ginasevern · 22/09/2024 15:07

When was peri menopause invented/discovered or whatever. I mean when was the term coined. I'm late sixties and I don't remember anyone talking about it. The first I heard about it was on Mumsnet.

Are you actually serious?

ginasevern · 22/09/2024 15:07

When was peri menopause invented/discovered or whatever. I mean when was the term coined. I'm late sixties and I don't remember anyone talking about it. The first I heard about it was on Mumsnet.

Movinghouseatlast · 22/09/2024 15:06

Because the rage I felt in perimenopause was like nothing I had ever experienced. And was uncontrollable. It wasn't being 'moody' it was debilitating anger.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/09/2024 15:05

Missamyp · 22/09/2024 14:13

I believe some people use it as an excuse to avoid being called out for behaving unreasonably, similar to the current trend of using neurodivergence as an excuse. If someone is being publicly disruptive, unreasonable, or rude, then they should expect a negative reaction. Friends and partners might make allowances, but it shouldn't be a free pass to behave inappropriately.

Well said, missamyp
Of course some struggle more with menopause than others, even though it's a natural process, and yes it can affect moods quite severely, but that hardly justifies taking it out on others

FWIW I'm another who didn't have an easy time of it, but took the view that I have faults enough without making things even worse - though admittedly that was years ago, before all kinds of neurodivergence became the subject of armchair diagnosis

Missed word

Silverfoxlady · 22/09/2024 15:04

I have had peri rage - this led to a 6 month separation with my partner and literally wanting to blow up my life. It was eye opening, as I am usually just the grin and bear it type of person, and it turned me into a crazy ‘this is not right - I need to sort this out immediately and with anger!’

Then we had counselling and got back together.

I am wondering if it will come back after having a baby recently. Scary days.

bifurCAT · 22/09/2024 15:04

Convenient scapegoat. It happens for everything.

QuitChewingMyPlectrum · 22/09/2024 14:59

Somehow I knew neurodivergence would be brought into this.
🤦🏻‍♀️
FML.

Although I should mention that neurodivergent women typically have a hard time with depleting oestrogen levels as this restricts dopamine transfer across the brain.

lonelynewname · 22/09/2024 14:58

This is like something my mother in law would say, from the same book as:

”I didn’t have any pain medication during child birth”

”periods are natural, just get on with it”

sigh.

Heatherbell1978 · 22/09/2024 14:58

To an extent I agree with you. I have a friend who is a bit of a bitch (friend of a friend really) and since being diagnosed ADHD she'll rant at us then go ' I can't help it - ADHD' so I'm kind of sick of bad behaviour being blamed on something.
But...I am peri (diagnosed through blood tests last year) and I'm a different person than I used to be. So I can't deny that my attitude to things and people has changed as a result.

QuitChewingMyPlectrum · 22/09/2024 14:57

SpiggingBelgium · 22/09/2024 14:47

Peri Menopause would make a great name for a middle-aged drag queen.

👏👏👏👏👏👏😂

Augustus40 · 22/09/2024 14:55

AbstractThought · 22/09/2024 14:47

I don't know about moods (mine went easily), but I am often flummoxed by the amount of women on MN who blame meno for their body weight.
In some, rare cases, perhaps - but not generally.

Even medical research has concluded that whilst weight gain may grow in different areas (belly instead of hips) it has nothing whatsoever to do with what you weigh. Unless you have medical issues or a metabolic problem, there is no reason peri or meno ought to make you fatter.
Middle age invariably correlates to less activity on the whole, from dependence on cars, seated jobs and WFH. A few hours at the gym won't shave off the extra cheese brick Grin

I personally don't know anyone who gained weight at meno, unless they decreased activity and ate more.
The metabolism might slow somewhat but not to the extent that one has to live on 600 cals per day. This is extraordinarily dangerous advice, and I see it a lot on here.

I eat as I have always done, and only get a belly when I increase drinking wine. I am no more active then 20 yrs ago.
I do think meno is used as an excuse, tbh.
Some people's bodies alter after having children, but that is a completely different issue.

I am amazed by how many threads in S&B and Weight loss Chat focus on not being able to eat much now meno has arrived. People are taking this as factual and blaming it for weight gain. Not a healthy approach, really.

And to bust a myth - no, we don't all have to diet and exercise like crazy after meno to keep to a healthy weight.

I disagree with everything written here.

Augustus40 · 22/09/2024 14:54

It is well known that for most people menopause onwards you need to eat less and exercise more.

TomatoSandwiches · 22/09/2024 14:53

A lot of the responses here just highlight how insidious misogyny is.

Didimum · 22/09/2024 14:51

I sort of disagree. Humans will always be slave to their hormones, that’s what they are there for – to drive behaviour. And some people have higher sensitivity to them than others.

GuestFeatu · 22/09/2024 14:49

RenoDakota · 22/09/2024 14:49

I agree with you, OP. Never bought in to the 'baby brain' thing either or used it as a reason / excuse for anything.

Lucky you

Floofydawg · 22/09/2024 14:49

I don't know about moods (mine went easily), but I am often flummoxed by the amount of women on MN who blame meno for their body weight.

Oh nice. Throw in a bit of fat shaming as well.