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Husband shouted at my daughters

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Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 08:26

Bit of back story. I have two daughters from a previous marriage, 12 and 10. One with my current husband.
My husband has a very good relationship with my older two. He's the softer playful adult in the family whereas I'm more the disciplinarian. He is actively involved in all parts of their lives (discipline is left to me as my expectations are higher than his I guess). He has been in their lives 5 years.
our 2.8 year old has been having major tantrums recently - she has meltdowns over something she does not want to do (normally end of day when she is tired). This one was triggered by bath time. In these tantrums she is hitting crying screaming breaking anything around her. I would welcome any advice around this too?
Last night was a particularly bad tantrum. Both husband and I are fed up 10 mins in and we are laughing out of dispair while she is just going crazy on floor. My older two find it funny and are always laughing when she has these tantrums (we have spoken to them before to leave and go upstairs away from baby when this happens as it is not helpful).
Older two were upstairs laughing throughout the tantrum even though I had told them to go in their room.
Baby daughter scratched husbands face in the tantrum (really hard) almost drew blood so while I took her off him and restrained her the girls were on the landing and he shouting at them and pushed the 10 year old towards the stairs by putting hand on shoulder (she said forcefully I didn't see) and he shouted at both older girls 'I don't ever want to see you f*ing laughing again when baby has a melt down.'
Girls went down and I told him to calm down as we are at our wits end with baby's behaviour and I believe he took it out on the older two.
i am so disappointed with him and have told him never to swear or touch my girls again. I don't know how to be now. I explained to my girls that it is out of order but he was angry at the baby not them. This has never happened before as normally it is me that tells the girls off and is seen as the 'mean' disciplinarian.
But Aibu to be angry at him?

OP posts:
Allfur · 22/09/2024 15:35

jannier · 22/09/2024 15:18

I agree it immediately says the kids can treat dad like shit he's of no consequences

Not if the older kids have been brought up to not do that - not all kids need disciplining by a step parent

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 15:34

Do you think maybe I maybe referring to my TODDLER as a baby because she's the baby of the family and has the title baby sister rather than toddler sister? It's an error. I didn't realise there would be so much analysis of the term used.

OP posts:
GuPuddingRamekinHoarder · 22/09/2024 15:32

jannier · 22/09/2024 15:19

You do know that kids can lie especially if they are in trouble?

In trouble for what? For watching her mum and step-dad laughing and doing the same?

GuPuddingRamekinHoarder · 22/09/2024 15:30

greencheetah · 22/09/2024 14:37

@YellowphantGrey I think you have misunderstood.

For some reason, OPhas consistently referred to her nearly three year old as a baby.

There is no baby.

Maybe referring to the step-dad’s bio child as the ‘baby’ is a way of creating difference with the older children and allows the older ones to be held to different standards. In this case the very disturbing act of punishing the older children for laughing upstairs.

ThisBlueCrab · 22/09/2024 15:29

jannier · 22/09/2024 15:19

You do know that kids can lie especially if they are in trouble?

And abuse happens and goes unheard because if comments like this.

jannier · 22/09/2024 15:19

HazelPlayer · 22/09/2024 09:14

So op is saying that her younger girl is a liar??

About something as significant as having her step dad pushing her?

Hmm.

You do know that kids can lie especially if they are in trouble?

jannier · 22/09/2024 15:18

CypressPeace · 22/09/2024 09:04

I confess to having no direct experience about how blended families work. But I would find it strange to be with my husband for five years and he was not allowed to discipline the two older children.

It does not feel like a functioning cohesive family that way. Do the girls respect your dh?

I agree it immediately says the kids can treat dad like shit he's of no consequences

jannier · 22/09/2024 15:15

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 08:45

Washing her hair. Ever. But he tantrums can be over anything. Even a simple no to a request of sweets.

Do you give in or reward with bribes?

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 15:13

DeccaM · 22/09/2024 14:51

Of course, it's unacceptable for your husband to shout and swear at your children. A hand on the shoulder is OK, if that's what happened. But physical force and pushing obviously wouldn't be. I'm glad your DH is remorseful and has offered an apology to the girls.

I think you've received some good advice about how to handle the youngest child's tantrums. But I also think it's important to look at your older girls' behaviour. It sounds as though they were unusually compliant toddlers. That may have set the tone for how you interact with them. However, as pre-teens they are no longer those compliant children for whom "no means no." Why didn't they go to their rooms when asked to? And why exactly were they laughing at their sister? It sounds as though they do this regularly. Is it a nervous reaction to the tension in the house when the little one is having a tantrum? Or is it an unkind reaction to her distress, jeering at her, intentionally intending to wind her up? In either case, I think it needs attention, but my response would be different depending on why they are laughing.

Their laughing is probably more linked to the former. They are not mean spirited children and have a lot of empathy for toddler and the rest of adults in the house and beyond.

OP posts:
jannier · 22/09/2024 15:13

A few things stand out ..
The girls are punished (in their eyes) by being sent upstairs if toddler kicks off....toddler gets all attention
Your not treating all children as equal in family your older girls are not his so they don't have to listen to him and can wind him up.
You say shouting then admit it was a firm voice....the voice recommended when saying I mean this...
The daughter says he pushed her....did he really or is this a division strategy?
You cuddle your toddler when she hurts daddy?
Lots of mixed messages that seem to be putting daddy in his place.

ThisBlueCrab · 22/09/2024 15:08

Coconutter24 · 22/09/2024 15:03

That’s exactly what the OP said happened in one of her replies

“No he put a hand in her shoulder and was ushering them downstairs he didn't push her. Older one corroborated.”

She also said he didn’t shout just spoke louder than normal

Edited

Dismissing and minimising the abusive behaviour of her husband.

Coconutter24 · 22/09/2024 15:03

HazelPlayer · 22/09/2024 09:47

If that's what happened.

🙄

That’s exactly what the OP said happened in one of her replies

“No he put a hand in her shoulder and was ushering them downstairs he didn't push her. Older one corroborated.”

She also said he didn’t shout just spoke louder than normal

DeccaM · 22/09/2024 14:51

Of course, it's unacceptable for your husband to shout and swear at your children. A hand on the shoulder is OK, if that's what happened. But physical force and pushing obviously wouldn't be. I'm glad your DH is remorseful and has offered an apology to the girls.

I think you've received some good advice about how to handle the youngest child's tantrums. But I also think it's important to look at your older girls' behaviour. It sounds as though they were unusually compliant toddlers. That may have set the tone for how you interact with them. However, as pre-teens they are no longer those compliant children for whom "no means no." Why didn't they go to their rooms when asked to? And why exactly were they laughing at their sister? It sounds as though they do this regularly. Is it a nervous reaction to the tension in the house when the little one is having a tantrum? Or is it an unkind reaction to her distress, jeering at her, intentionally intending to wind her up? In either case, I think it needs attention, but my response would be different depending on why they are laughing.

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 14:48

YellowphantGrey · 22/09/2024 14:46

Ffs. Why do parents do this?!

Because I wanted to. Sorry that's the issue you wish to focus on?

OP posts:
YellowphantGrey · 22/09/2024 14:46

greencheetah · 22/09/2024 14:37

@YellowphantGrey I think you have misunderstood.

For some reason, OPhas consistently referred to her nearly three year old as a baby.

There is no baby.

Ffs. Why do parents do this?!

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 14:43

Bestyearever2024 · 22/09/2024 14:25

What a weird comment.

If you truly believe that your 3 year old is smarter and more articulate than you, perhaps you spoil her because you are so "in awe"

Hence the tantrums

And how sad that you think your 3 year old is smarter and more articulate than your older children

This is a very strange thread 🙄😬

I highlighted her ability to talk in regards to not being able to communicate feelings. I can't understand how you can gather I prefer her over my other 2? I'm sure I said she's smarter than as all in jest. Obviously not. Definately not in awe of a child behaving as she does. Please be kind. If I was spoiling her I would never have posted or mentioned her tantrum?

OP posts:
Tiswa · 22/09/2024 14:42

Right so why are you doing these things when they are overtired - tiredness and hunger and huge triggers and yes you got lucky with your two

work out your battles - stop going in with 2 people pick a parent to do it and let them see if through then one can have the other two girls rather than sending them to their rooms when their sister has a tantrum

does she need to have a bath every day and if so what time, does she need to wash her hair etc

a smart 2/3 year old feels frustrated because she isn’t being listened to or allowed the agency she wants. Some things are non negotiable the rest well deicdr on thau

greencheetah · 22/09/2024 14:37

@YellowphantGrey I think you have misunderstood.

For some reason, OPhas consistently referred to her nearly three year old as a baby.

There is no baby.

Allfur · 22/09/2024 14:34

BoundaryGirl3939 · 22/09/2024 09:25

These blended families are a mess.

What, all of them?

greencheetah · 22/09/2024 14:34

I also feel there’s missing info. Your toddler (not baby) is having exceptionally violent and prolonged tantrums and you, an experienced parent, have never experienced this kind of behaviour before.

Do you think there is some neurodivergence involved? It sounds hellish for the two older children.

Ask your husband how he would feel if you were living with another man who had pushed his DD around and shouted at them like he did?

You need some professional input to resolve these issues as at the moment your youngest is dominating your family and her behaviour is causing serious problems.

YellowphantGrey · 22/09/2024 14:33

With a toddler having a temper tantrum and a baby continually crying and screaming, no wonder everyone is on edge

Ignore the toddler tantrums. As long as they can't hurt themselves, leave them. Fussing around them and picking them up can just add fuel to the fire. When they calm down, then go to them. They are doing it more often than not because they don't have the words or the ability to emotionly regulate and sometimes, it all just explodes.

What's causing the baby to cry? Are they getting upset because of the toddler noise?

One of you needs to take the baby, one of you be near for the toddler and all of you need to stop standing round and laughing at the toddler. The older two need to leave the room while the tantrum is happening and just leave one of you on there while the toddler works through it

oakleaffy · 22/09/2024 14:31

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 13:30

Baby of the family. She's smarter than us all and speaks better than us on a bad day!

This makes it sound like she is perhaps being spoiled?

The genetic father is there, and a child of almost 3 is far from being a baby.

The shiny new kid, while the older, ''good'' children are cast aside?

No way is a child of nearly three ''cleverer'' than four older people.

However- she may have the ability to be very manipulative - and have the entire

household running around out of fear of her noisy, disruptive tantrums.

Do what I want, Give me what I want or I'll scream and SCREAM.

The tantrums probably get far too much attention, so they are paying off.

Bestyearever2024 · 22/09/2024 14:25

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 13:30

Baby of the family. She's smarter than us all and speaks better than us on a bad day!

What a weird comment.

If you truly believe that your 3 year old is smarter and more articulate than you, perhaps you spoil her because you are so "in awe"

Hence the tantrums

And how sad that you think your 3 year old is smarter and more articulate than your older children

This is a very strange thread 🙄😬

Crystallizedring · 22/09/2024 14:22

Well your daughter's didn't listen to you did they? You told them to go upstairs, you have told them in the past don't laugh at your sister's tantrums but clearly they paid no attention.
If they had your DH wouldn't have shouted or sworn at them. No it's not acceptable to shout or swear at the kids. Absolutely he should not have done that but your children also need to listen. Tbh I'd get them involved in something away from the bathroom and the toddler before you start bath time and tell them they need to stay there until after bath time. They are old enough to understand that.
So yes your husband needs to apologise but everyone needs to be on the same page.
Can you do bath time in the morning? Can she get involved, like choosing bath toys or helping to get her pyjamas ready. Or have you tried a shower instead?

Sapphire387 · 22/09/2024 14:17

gapattachment · 22/09/2024 14:05

Replies like this are ridiculous and out of touch with reality.

It's dangerous and unhelpful to start telling someone they're being abused or their children are being abused when there's no evidence or red flags at all.

Decent but imperfect human beings lose their temper under pressure sometimes. Nobody in the family comes off looking great from this incident. Calling it abuse is obscene.

The op gave him the silent treatment, why isn't she being called an abuser?

Agreed. Nobody can lose their temper and shout at their kids ever or someone on mumsnet will call it 'abuse'. It detracts from the actual meaning of the word.

OP, I am also in a blended family. I am concerned by some of the things you say - like you 'left your first husband for less'. Obviously people can leave marriages for any reason but you seem to think your DH is totally out of order and first DH behaved similarly but less badly so you left. Also you are allowing your 10 year old to wield so much power than you would leave your husband - father of your younger dc - on her say so (reading one of your later posts).

I think there's a bit of Disney parenting of your older two going on here. Of course they shouldn't be laughing and getting in the way while a toddler is having a tantrum. They hadn't gone to their room as you had asked. DH got hurt and encountered them being silly and generally contributing to the situation. It's not ideal but it happens, it's not crime of the century. I suspect a large part of the problem is that you have said your older two laugh and almost encourage the tantrum behaviour. Clearly this is not helpful.

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