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Husband shouted at my daughters

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Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 08:26

Bit of back story. I have two daughters from a previous marriage, 12 and 10. One with my current husband.
My husband has a very good relationship with my older two. He's the softer playful adult in the family whereas I'm more the disciplinarian. He is actively involved in all parts of their lives (discipline is left to me as my expectations are higher than his I guess). He has been in their lives 5 years.
our 2.8 year old has been having major tantrums recently - she has meltdowns over something she does not want to do (normally end of day when she is tired). This one was triggered by bath time. In these tantrums she is hitting crying screaming breaking anything around her. I would welcome any advice around this too?
Last night was a particularly bad tantrum. Both husband and I are fed up 10 mins in and we are laughing out of dispair while she is just going crazy on floor. My older two find it funny and are always laughing when she has these tantrums (we have spoken to them before to leave and go upstairs away from baby when this happens as it is not helpful).
Older two were upstairs laughing throughout the tantrum even though I had told them to go in their room.
Baby daughter scratched husbands face in the tantrum (really hard) almost drew blood so while I took her off him and restrained her the girls were on the landing and he shouting at them and pushed the 10 year old towards the stairs by putting hand on shoulder (she said forcefully I didn't see) and he shouted at both older girls 'I don't ever want to see you f*ing laughing again when baby has a melt down.'
Girls went down and I told him to calm down as we are at our wits end with baby's behaviour and I believe he took it out on the older two.
i am so disappointed with him and have told him never to swear or touch my girls again. I don't know how to be now. I explained to my girls that it is out of order but he was angry at the baby not them. This has never happened before as normally it is me that tells the girls off and is seen as the 'mean' disciplinarian.
But Aibu to be angry at him?

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HazelPlayer · 22/09/2024 08:54

ushering/pushing them along their way. Does it matter?

Well tbh, to me, yes it does matter quite a bit.

Ushering is totally different from pushing.

And you said your dd said it was a forceful push.

But that you didn't see it.

Does your dd have forn for lying?
Because, if she doesn't have significant form, i think it's unfair to assume she's lying.

NerrSnerr · 22/09/2024 08:54

It seems so odd that you think it's ok for the adults to laugh at the 2 year old but not the children. They're just learning from you.

None of you laughing at the toddler is going to help the tantrums. That's not going to help resolve it at all.

ThisBlueCrab · 22/09/2024 08:53

You cannot punish your older 2 for following your lead. You and dh are laughing so they have followed this behaviour.

Your dh shoved your dd. A 10 year old, near stairs. That could have ended very differently.

LTB and do better. Stop minimising his actions, he shouted then just talked more loudly than normal. Protect your girls and step up.

HazelPlayer · 22/09/2024 08:52

Flossyts · 22/09/2024 08:37

I would definitely push two large children that were laughing at a tantrum if they weren’t listening and being obnoxious 🤷‍♀️

Then you'd be wrong.

But he's a man.

Even worse.

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 08:52

Imstillmagic · 22/09/2024 08:48

You’ve gone from saying he shouted at them to “well not really shouted he just raised his voice from his normally soft spoken tone” and from he pushed my younger one while she was near the top of the stairs to “well he didn’t really push her, he put his hand on her shoulder to gently guide them to go down stairs”. So which ones are true?

My shouting voice and his would be different. But yes shouting for him and hand on daughter, ushering/pushing them along their way. Does it matter? Either way the response towards the older two is not on and I am angry at what he did.

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BurbageBrook · 22/09/2024 08:51

Firstly why is anyone laughing at your DD having a tantrum? That's just horrible and should've been clamped down on much earlier.

Regarding his behaviour, it's really not okay but it does sound like he was at the absolute end of his tether. It's really nasty to laugh at a distressed 2 year old.

BubbleGumSplit · 22/09/2024 08:50

Stop laughing at the 2 year olds distress. 4 of you.laughing at her? Think about it. No wonder she's not calming down. Would you calm down while 4 people laughed at you?

It's good to decide how you want to handle these tantrums and then just be consistent. Some people ignore, others stay nearby offer hugs when the child is ready. All of you could try the same tactic for a week and see if you feel it's working. If not try something different.

NotEveryoneIsHelpful · 22/09/2024 08:49

CucumberBagel · 22/09/2024 08:36

The girls likely don't know how to react and are taking their cue from you two. If you're laughing, they think laughing is the way to deal with it. It must be scary for them to have to deal with a new sibling behaving this way.

He needs to own that he took his frustration out on them and apologise genuinely. And you all need to come up with a plan as a team of how to best deal with these meltdowns.

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Imstillmagic · 22/09/2024 08:48

You’ve gone from saying he shouted at them to “well not really shouted he just raised his voice from his normally soft spoken tone” and from he pushed my younger one while she was near the top of the stairs to “well he didn’t really push her, he put his hand on her shoulder to gently guide them to go down stairs”. So which ones are true?

Flossyts · 22/09/2024 08:47

I think you need to set up a different post about handling the littlest one.

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 08:47

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 22/09/2024 08:46

He shouldn't have sworn at them but your children had ignored your attempt to discipline. You told them to go to their room and they hadn't. Your husband is right to be frustrated by your children making toddler's tantrums worse when they've already been told to leave.
He needs to be able to discipline all children just like you do. You've said he's not as strict as you so why wouldn't you have combined parenting?
The tantrums at bath time, can you try bath time when the older children aren't home? Toddler doesn't need to be bathed at bedtime when they are tired.

Thankyou. I appreciate the words offered

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Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 08:46

Concentrationneeded · 22/09/2024 08:44

He was overwhelmed and took it out on your DC. Your DC were just doing what you and your husband have taught them to do in this situation. He needs to apologise to them today then you both need to find strategies to help your toddler regulate her emotions rather than leaving her to deal with it herself whilst laughing at her. You need to be the calm for your DC, talking calmly, offering cuddles, discussing big emotions and helping her deescalate.

Can I just say this was a one off laughing response. It often takes over 45 minutes for her to calm down. We laughed because I would have cried and I guess he did the same. It's exhausting and honestly I don't know what we are doing wrong.

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FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 22/09/2024 08:46

He shouldn't have sworn at them but your children had ignored your attempt to discipline. You told them to go to their room and they hadn't. Your husband is right to be frustrated by your children making toddler's tantrums worse when they've already been told to leave.
He needs to be able to discipline all children just like you do. You've said he's not as strict as you so why wouldn't you have combined parenting?
The tantrums at bath time, can you try bath time when the older children aren't home? Toddler doesn't need to be bathed at bedtime when they are tired.

Sharptonguedwoman · 22/09/2024 08:46

cryinglaughing · 22/09/2024 08:38

I don't agree with sending your elder 2 upstairs.

Why should they be shoved out because the two adults of the house can't manage a toddler?

Bath time....what doesn't the toddler like about it? Getting undressed? The water? Hair washed?
Try and work out which part is the sticking point and go from there.

The elder children were making a bad problem worse. They'd been told.

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 08:45

cryinglaughing · 22/09/2024 08:38

I don't agree with sending your elder 2 upstairs.

Why should they be shoved out because the two adults of the house can't manage a toddler?

Bath time....what doesn't the toddler like about it? Getting undressed? The water? Hair washed?
Try and work out which part is the sticking point and go from there.

Washing her hair. Ever. But he tantrums can be over anything. Even a simple no to a request of sweets.

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Concentrationneeded · 22/09/2024 08:44

He was overwhelmed and took it out on your DC. Your DC were just doing what you and your husband have taught them to do in this situation. He needs to apologise to them today then you both need to find strategies to help your toddler regulate her emotions rather than leaving her to deal with it herself whilst laughing at her. You need to be the calm for your DC, talking calmly, offering cuddles, discussing big emotions and helping her deescalate.

MultiplaLight · 22/09/2024 08:44

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 08:41

Because It's distressing and I have run out of ideas on what to do.

Create a safe space you can leave her to tantrum and walk away.

Offer hugs every couple of minutes. Apart from that, give them no air time.

Currently 2yo is ruling the roost.

Enko · 22/09/2024 08:42

I agree with @Idtotallybangdreamoftheendlessnotgonnalie a calm meeting to discuss how to deal with the toddlers melt downs with the older 2.

However if toddler scratched pm his face enough to almost draw blood I do understand why in frustration 2 girls laughing could feel very annoying (not saying it was a good way he handled it)

However family meeting. Agenda how do we as a family deal with the tantrums. What makes them go away the quickest. Listen to the girls and allow them input.

Dh needs to apologise and the girls should for laughing and not leaving you be as told. Then find a way forward that works for all.

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 08:42

Tapestree · 22/09/2024 08:35

Oh come on. He forcefully pushed your child for lying at a situation he himself has been laughing at?
You don't get physical with a child. Ever.

No he put a hand in her shoulder and was ushering them downstairs he didn't push her. Older one corroborated.

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nirishism · 22/09/2024 08:42

Sounds like the scratch really caused a big wave of stress / cortisol for him and he lost it. I’m sure the shock of him shouting at them if he never has before made it feel especially bad for them.

Separately you cannot expect the kids not to laugh if you are - they were literally doing what they learnt from you guys.

On the whole though, it’s one of those stressful situations that crop up in families and nothing that can’t be sorted by a proper talk, apology/ies, and a better plan / expectations for what happens next time. Caveated by saying if it was a truly forceful push (could’ve potentially pushed her over or into an object and so was violence) that’s a different matter.

Also, you know him, you were there, provided this is definitely a one off and you aren’t turning a blind eye to anything, do listen to your gut.

Screamingabdabz · 22/09/2024 08:42

You laughed and the girls did the same. They were just copying. And got abused for it. It all sounds very grim and neither of you sound very competent. I think parenting classes might be the way to go.

Unknown987 · 22/09/2024 08:41

Sepoctnov · 22/09/2024 08:35

Why on earth would you and DH laugh at your 2 year old whilst they are having a tantrum?

Edited

Because It's distressing and I have run out of ideas on what to do.

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Dollshousedolly · 22/09/2024 08:41

Let’s not pretend here that the majority of families would smile and skip through this scenario. Your girls were wrong to be laughing at their little sister’s tantrum, as were yourself and your DH. I can imagine myself yelling at the older two to stop if the situation was getting out of control. I could imagine myself putting my hand on my DD’s arm and tell her to just go to her room, not a push though, just a firm go I think you all need to have a chat this morning, with apologies and boundaries and expectations on how to handle things going forward.

Flossyts · 22/09/2024 08:41

Sepoctnov · 22/09/2024 08:39

But the adults themselves were laughing at the toddler. The older kids were taking their cue from the adults. Then they get punished by being physically pushed and shouted at.

The OP and her DH both need to take a long hard look at their parenting.

Agree- they need to get a handle on these tantrums quickly.

Sepoctnov · 22/09/2024 08:39

Flossyts · 22/09/2024 08:37

I would definitely push two large children that were laughing at a tantrum if they weren’t listening and being obnoxious 🤷‍♀️

But the adults themselves were laughing at the toddler. The older kids were taking their cue from the adults. Then they get punished by being physically pushed and shouted at.

The OP and her DH both need to take a long hard look at their parenting.

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