To find this unacceptable?

Howdoesitworkagain · 20/09/2024 15:58

It’s a no-win situation OP as the nursery has to choose to either breach the ratios or breach D&V policy. Both those policies are in place for risk mitigation.

The severity of something happening to a child if there aren’t enough staff around is potentially much higher than the severity of a child vomiting.

You don’t actually know if the worker’s condition is contagious, so there’s no evidence that the likelihood of spreading a bug is any greater than the likelihood of an accident happening with too few staff around.

As awful as it is for the worker having to stay on, and any child who might end up vomiting, the nursery probably made the right choice.

penguinbiscuits · 20/09/2024 15:31

'she is going to speak to management.'

😂

Some people are insufferable

nutrosti · 20/09/2024 15:31

i’d wager your neighbour will be a tad evasive about the nursery’s response to your calling.

Why? because she didn’t call 😆

nutrosti · 20/09/2024 15:30

LeopardPrint12 · 20/09/2024 15:22

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realise I had to reply to every one of you individually so you feel you are right and I should feel shamed for my reasoning @nutrosti .Honestly . This place......

ok

how about just respond to anyone regarding your solution

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LeopardPrint12 · 20/09/2024 15:22

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realise I had to reply to every one of you individually so you feel you are right and I should feel shamed for my reasoning @nutrosti .Honestly . This place......

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BobbyBiscuits · 20/09/2024 15:10

They obviously had no choice. They can't just leave when there's too many kids per adult. It's not safe. And they could get disciplined/shut down if it happened regularly. You don't know she was contagious. If she got a bug it could well have been off one of the children.
It's not ideal and I were her I'd speak to management if it's occuring regularly. It would seem that day there was simply no other option.
Sometimes people do have to be in work sick. It's just a sad fact of life, coupled with staff shortages and illness being unavoidable.

nutrosti · 20/09/2024 15:03

ThirstyThursday · 20/09/2024 15:00

What's your solution??

she may have the latest variant of Covid, but she'd have to go into work if she does anyway.

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OP goes very quietly on that question! 😆

ThirstyThursday · 20/09/2024 15:00

LeopardPrint12 · 20/09/2024 14:14

So you think it's acceptable that a member of staff is clearly sick and contagious (No, not pregnant) and has to stay in the room working until 6PM?
I called my neighbour and she is going to speak to management.

What's your solution??

she may have the latest variant of Covid, but she'd have to go into work if she does anyway.

HighPrecisionGhosts · 20/09/2024 15:00

LeopardPrint12 · 20/09/2024 14:14

So you think it's acceptable that a member of staff is clearly sick and contagious (No, not pregnant) and has to stay in the room working until 6PM?
I called my neighbour and she is going to speak to management.

I doubt anyone finds it acceptable.
But safety is priority for those children.
Nursery need to get in a replacement staff member (but if using bank staff sounds like a possible staffing issue).

Hopefully lots of children get collected earlier today and the staff member can be released.

Josephinesnapoleon · 20/09/2024 14:55

Why did you ask if you think you’re right? What was the point in that. Just crack on with your day.

Bayern · 20/09/2024 14:54

Personally, I would rather ratios were off for the afternoon than a sick person risked spreading it to a bunch of others. I would absolutely find a way to collect my child if asked under those circumstances.

MoonAndStarsAndSky · 20/09/2024 14:53

I'd rather low staffing for an afternoon than a sickness bug

Imnotarestaurant · 20/09/2024 14:51

If she had “just vomited” maybe she would’ve been allowed to go home once a few more children had been collected and they would be within the legal requirements.

LittleBrenda · 20/09/2024 14:50

You can't just 'mix rooms'. The ratios are based on age not what room they are in.

Nobody would want their child in a room with an unwell adult. You aren't unusual there.

I do supply. There is an absolutely enormous shortage.

nutrosti · 20/09/2024 14:48

they would have had to close the entire nursery if they sent her home

she was bank, which meant they were short staffed anyway

nutrosti · 20/09/2024 14:47

I wouldn't want my kid in a room with a contagious worker.

whereas the rest of us… would LOVE it!!

nutrosti · 20/09/2024 14:46

LeopardPrint12 · 20/09/2024 14:30

Just because she's a woman and being sick then she must be pregnant?....right. OK.

I wouldn't want my kid in a room with a contagious worker. Sure they could have mixed rooms or called in for another bank worker. This woman looked good for nothing and will just be running out the room every few minutes to be sick.

has anyone, anyone , said this woman “must be pregnant”

your neighbour won’t call management. guaranteed.

You don’t have children op and presumably very very limited experience of nurseries

LetMeGoogleThat · 20/09/2024 14:46

In settings, managers are not included in the overall ratios. Having been a manager, I would send the staff member home and step in.

It's worth remembering that bank staff are only paid the hours they work and you only have their version of events in this scenario. Did you confirm they had raised it with a manager?

TeenToTwenties · 20/09/2024 14:39

What is unacceptable is that funding for nurseries is so poor they can't afford to have staff over and above minimum ratios so there is no slack if someone gets ill.

Of course having an ill member if staff isn't great, but cover can't be produced in an instant either.

LittleBrenda · 20/09/2024 14:37

But what were they supposed to do? Even if they had immediately rung every parent to get them to collect their child she would still have been needed for ratio purposes.

They could have rung an agency but supply is hard enough to get as it is without trying after the day has started.

thesnailandthewhale · 20/09/2024 14:37

LeopardPrint12 · 20/09/2024 14:14

So you think it's acceptable that a member of staff is clearly sick and contagious (No, not pregnant) and has to stay in the room working until 6PM?
I called my neighbour and she is going to speak to management.

How do you know she was contagious?
I'm on Mounjaro and if I eat fatty/greasy food I will vomit. Not contagious though?

purpleme12 · 20/09/2024 14:35

Well of course it's unacceptable but I'm guessing they had no one to replace her with so 🤷

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LeopardPrint12 · 20/09/2024 14:30

Just because she's a woman and being sick then she must be pregnant?....right. OK.

I wouldn't want my kid in a room with a contagious worker. Sure they could have mixed rooms or called in for another bank worker. This woman looked good for nothing and will just be running out the room every few minutes to be sick.

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MonsteraMama · 20/09/2024 14:22

So you think every parent should have been called from work to collect their child immediately so the woman could go home? Because that's the alternative if they've got no cover, they can't fall below the legal requirements.

Of course it's not ideal but it's just making the best of a bad situation.

NoKnit · 20/09/2024 14:20

LeopardPrint12 · 20/09/2024 14:00

Went to pick up my neighbours daughter from nursery today. I noticed there was one staff member clutching her stomach and looking unwell. She was bank staff as have seen her before. I asked if she was OK and she said she had just vomited in the toilets but had been told she wasn't allowed to go home due to staffing levels and needing a level 3 worker in the room !
Aibu to say this is unacceptable?

Of course it's unacceptable.

However parents aren't going to rush and collect their kids due to low staffing so the question is what is more unacceptable