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To feel uneasy about this school mum relationship…

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PinkyPhonk · 19/09/2024 18:06

DD really struggles to make friends, but I’m so delighted that she has now made a friend and her friend is amazing. I’ve had a few playdates, and I feel the Mum has latched on to me a bit.

Thing is, we share very different political views : and a few things have made me really squirm. E.g. we met a friend of mine when we were out, and there was a comment about : what country is she from (in a tone that made me feel uncomfortable. I just shut it down with ‘the UK’.

And I just feel pushed into things before I can say no. A trip away is being planned, and would involve me paying accommodation for all my family on something I otherwise wouldn’t have done. DH is staunchly Labour, and will really create an atmosphere if he comes and any ReformUK type views are expressed. I’m dreading taking him along, but feel weirdly guilty about saying maybe it’s best if he doesn’t come.

I don’t quite ‘get’ what is going on?? I accept that people are different, and think I can stand my ground - but I’m feeling pushed into things, and almost scared of saying/doing the wrong thing??

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Lndnmummy · 19/09/2024 20:58

redskydarknight · 19/09/2024 20:43

I applaud OP's husband for speaking out against racism rather than pretending he hasn't heard it and changing the topic to talk about TV programmes.

The world would be a better place if more people were prepared to stand up against prejudice rather than not saying anything because it's a bit awkward.

What she said.

Lndnmummy · 19/09/2024 20:57

PinkyPhonk · 19/09/2024 18:16

I was fuming this week because my friend - that the comment was made about - is one of the loveliest people I know, and I would happily spend time with. And her children were with her, and then this comment was made.

So a racist comment was made/insinuated about your friend and her children? Surely that puts an end to any further contact?

pictoosh · 19/09/2024 20:52

DodoTired · 19/09/2024 20:32

Why do you have to go on holiday with her?? Surely playdates are enough

This. How has your daughters being friends become a whole family overnight stay together with dhs and so on?

Why do you have to go?

Bunnycat101 · 19/09/2024 20:49

You don’t accidentally say yes to going on a holiday you don’t want to go on with someone you don’t like unless you’ve got some major boundary issues.

redskydarknight · 19/09/2024 20:43

Pleasegotobed · 19/09/2024 20:29

Your husband sounds like an utter nightmare. He’d create an atmosphere if someone had different views to him?! Maybe he needs to get out a bit more and mix with a more diverse group of people to widen his perspectives.

Maybe you’re so used to fear of wrong think from living with him that it’s making you uncomfortable.. it’s not racist to ask
where someone is from. Maybe clumsily phrased. But my dad will often answer “oh I was born here but my parents are American - hence the accent!”. It has never caused offence or been intended offensively by anyone who is just making chit chat.

Dont go on holiday with her if you don’t want to as it sounds like it cause a fall out. When you see her otherwise just talk about other things?! TV shows you like? Music/ books / comedians / holiday destinations? All valid alternative topics………

I applaud OP's husband for speaking out against racism rather than pretending he hasn't heard it and changing the topic to talk about TV programmes.

The world would be a better place if more people were prepared to stand up against prejudice rather than not saying anything because it's a bit awkward.

redskydarknight · 19/09/2024 20:41

I can't think of a single occasion where saying "no, I don't want to" is not an acceptable answer to anyone who wants their family to go on holiday with your family. I have some very near, dear friends whose families I wouldn't go away with; not going away with your DD's school friend's family is a complete non problem.

OP - I'd stick to polite small talk in the playground and play dates only.

I'd also suggest you do say something re the racist language - if for no other reason than your daughter will start to pick it up and will want to know why it's ok for X's mum to say it, when it's not ok for her.

Radiat · 19/09/2024 20:40

I wouldn’t encourage a close relationship here. The kids can play at school, but I wouldn’t want my child being invited to their house, where they could hear all sorts of views being aired freely. I certainly wouldn’t associate with her myself.

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 19/09/2024 20:36

Why are you being so pally with her?

Your dd can have a friend without you and the other mum being mates.

I think you are showing a complete lack of integrity tbh.

AmberAlert86 · 19/09/2024 20:35

PinkyPhonk · 19/09/2024 19:48

@DevotedSisterBelovedCunt

Exactly. It’s other comments about : sympathising with the recent riots, negative comments about how multicultural the school/our area is. It’s a gradual build - not just the one isolated comment.

Wow! Your new friend would really get on my nerves. If I hear racist/prejudiced comments, I struggle to look past it, it really taints the person for me. Good on you if you challenge her. She should be able to keep your friendship free from "political views". I hope she's not indoctrinating her kids.

Namechangedforthis25 · 19/09/2024 20:34

housethatbuiltme · 19/09/2024 19:10

I'm White and English with a strong Iconic British accent, I get asked where I'm from ALL THE TIME because I have an uncommon name people don't recognize.

Sometime the person is blatantly racist (I would say less than 1 in 10 but it is funny when some 'corrects' you about they can clearly tell your actually 'Polish' etc...) but more time than not people just didn't engage brain before mouth and are just perfectly normal people.

Yeah not the same thing as being judged on your skin colour…..

Namechangedforthis25 · 19/09/2024 20:32

PinkyPhonk · 19/09/2024 18:16

I was fuming this week because my friend - that the comment was made about - is one of the loveliest people I know, and I would happily spend time with. And her children were with her, and then this comment was made.

I really don’t understand what you are doing

you don’t need to even explain that your friend of another race is lovely - why is that even important. People of all races are just people / good, bad, just people.

don’t other people of other races.

and detach from your idiot acquaintance - she isn’t your kind of person and frankly seems like a person of absolute stupidity and ignorance. Why would you even want your daughter hanging out with that family

have some backbone and move on and say no

DodoTired · 19/09/2024 20:32

Why do you have to go on holiday with her?? Surely playdates are enough

Pleasegotobed · 19/09/2024 20:29

Your husband sounds like an utter nightmare. He’d create an atmosphere if someone had different views to him?! Maybe he needs to get out a bit more and mix with a more diverse group of people to widen his perspectives.

Maybe you’re so used to fear of wrong think from living with him that it’s making you uncomfortable.. it’s not racist to ask
where someone is from. Maybe clumsily phrased. But my dad will often answer “oh I was born here but my parents are American - hence the accent!”. It has never caused offence or been intended offensively by anyone who is just making chit chat.

Dont go on holiday with her if you don’t want to as it sounds like it cause a fall out. When you see her otherwise just talk about other things?! TV shows you like? Music/ books / comedians / holiday destinations? All valid alternative topics………

Lorelaigilmore88 · 19/09/2024 20:28

If shes racist and you don't want to spend time with her, as pps have said, start saying no. It doesnt have to affect dds friendship necessarily, she also wont want her daughter to lose a good friend.

Although I will add your DH sounds insufferable... staunchy Labour is one thing but 'creating an atmosphere' because his views differ to others. Urgh major ick.

Ifoughthefight · 19/09/2024 20:27

Makelikeatreeandleaf · 19/09/2024 18:09

So there's a woman you don't particularly like, who has opposing views to you and you don't really want to hang out with her...so you are going to resolve this by taking your whole family on holiday with her whole family. Think that's actually a definition of madness.

you are going that mad just for the sake of playdates and the friendships which at that age come and go like your new day outfits

??

itsmylife7 · 19/09/2024 20:17

PinkyPhonk · 19/09/2024 19:48

@DevotedSisterBelovedCunt

Exactly. It’s other comments about : sympathising with the recent riots, negative comments about how multicultural the school/our area is. It’s a gradual build - not just the one isolated comment.

She's sounding you out to see if you share her views.

cromwell44 · 19/09/2024 20:15

I wouldn’t go away with another family even if we’d known them for years and loved them to death and certainly not a school mum ‘friend’ with dubious opinions. Just tell them going away in a group isn’t for you, you don’t have to make it personal.
Then distance yourself a bit, just be polite. Parents don’t have to be involved in their children’s friendship and it becomes less of an issue as the children grow up.

offyoujollywelltrot · 19/09/2024 20:12

newusername2009 · 19/09/2024 18:36

voting reform doesn’t make you racist!

hahahahaha

yes it does.

Cupooee · 19/09/2024 20:08

Why would you have your daughter around such people?

It is not friendship at any cost?
You are setting your daughter up for the inevitable fall out of this not working out.
Pull back now.
How could you allow a racist comment about your friend pass with out comment?

coxesorangepippin · 19/09/2024 20:07

Don't go on holiday with them!

coxesorangepippin · 19/09/2024 20:07

Is she one of those adults who always insists the parents are around? Like, why do you have to be there?

Can't the girls just play together??

Delphiniumandlupins · 19/09/2024 20:04

housethatbuiltme · 19/09/2024 19:25

People almost always hear my name before meeting me given the very few time I go out are for appointments.

Trust me racists judge most white races too. Look at what Jewish people, Irish travelers and Polish people face. Cries of 'immigration' aren't usually lobbied just against 'black' or 'brown' people but many Europeans (especially eastern ones) too.

Racism isn't just about having dark skin, people who are racist will other anyone they think is 'different' to them based on country/culture/religion not just skin.

Yes racists will find lots of reasons to be racist.

Whatwouldnanado · 19/09/2024 19:57

Trust your gut. Forget the holiday, just say it doesn’t work for you. Trust your daughter to be able to make other friends. How old is she? Choose not to socialise with this person and minimise the possibility of your daughter spending time with her. Widen your circle smile and do as you like.

LadySummerislesApple · 19/09/2024 19:51

I absolutely would not get involved socially with this woman.

You can support the kids friendship without being friends/going on holiday with a racist.

PinkyPhonk · 19/09/2024 19:48

@DevotedSisterBelovedCunt

Exactly. It’s other comments about : sympathising with the recent riots, negative comments about how multicultural the school/our area is. It’s a gradual build - not just the one isolated comment.

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