Family member awarded enhanced pip - AIBU?

You do know we don’t get giros any more I pay my stuff by bank transfer or direct debit it goes in my bank account like you say it’s auditable they can see my bank statement if they wish

I actually have 2...😯

Well, I personally default to 'most of these stories are bollocks', because

-An acquaintance of mine had form for making up such tales, including the time she tried to do it to me based on assumptions she'd made about our lifestyle (DP worked from home before it was standard, I was a freelancing SAHM, we had a nice car, went on holidays and such). She didn't get very far because we didn't actually claim any benefits other than CB.

-A vile neighbour of my MIL, who managed to note every time she left the house to do something nice with her grandkids, but didn't bother counting the days she'd spend at home in absolute agony.

-A PIP tester who outright lied in the assessment for a cousin of mine who has severe learning disabilities, (claiming that she'd got the bus on her own, when my aunt was in the room with her etc. etc).

You could save it all up in a bank account and when you reach 16k you could come off benefits.

You do realise that PIP and UC are paid directly into the claimants bank account and not handed over as cash in an envelope...right??

Don’t you dare have a car either!!

People will say you’re BU but I know loads of people who have lied to get PIP. One claiming he could hardly walk and was going ski-ing every weekend in winter. And yes I know this as he told me. No I wouldn’t report him, but he should he careful who he tells as if I was scamming benefits I wouldn’t be telling a soul

Yes fraud happens and as a work coach sure you must have reported the ones commiting it I always find with work coaches you have the decent ones and then you have the Hitler types the power trippers. Work coaches do naff all finding folks jobs nowadays so tgere is that. If we gonna crack down on fraud let’s take all them covid contracts from the tories first as they are worth loads more.
what we need are people turning up and I don’t have a prob checking I live in my flat I do know of folks that have council flats and don’t live there that would help the housing as they use it so they can claim single allowances . I don’t know them personally but you can tell they don’t live in these flats . Housing officers should be knocking and checking but they don’t.

Of course. Silly me. I should really call the DWP and ask how I repay any surplus money I have left each month 😂

Only what the milkman told her.

They receive Government money which should be able to be accounted for to stop abuse of the system.

Tut tut benefit claimants shouldn’t be able to have a mortgage silly billy. Or Leisure activities.

I didn’t say otherwise.

And how exactly do you propose these benefits are paid then? How will people pay their bills? Mortgages? Childcare? Food shopping? Leisure activities? Because people on benefits are allowed to have extra left over and are allowed to spend it however they like without having to justify it to anybody.

I know people who have been reported. But again how do you disprove how bad their anxiety and pain are?

When the women sits their sobbing that she cannot leave the house without a chaperone to the assessor and when she does go to the gp takes a grandchild with her. Like a child is really a proper chaperone.

Not when she goes Toby or bingo tho. Can do that alone 🤷🏻‍♀️

sure the women in question has issues, Breathing, would be helped with some weight loss and quitting the fags and microwave meals.

Her anxiety is not what she says and nor is her pain from the boxes of unused painkillers stacking up.

It is accountable.

It would stop huge sums of cash being debited and spent or sent abroad. Stopping cash on hand jobs too.

Why do you need cash anyway?

I pay all by bills and employees via bank transfer.

I am not talking about vouchers I am talking about accountability.

Ok smarty pants no difference between money in a bank and vouchers really when you think about it as we still have our bills etc to pay and it’s cheaper to put money in bank then vouchers

Because they don't run a business?

A tad emotional.

Nobody wants anyone to be stigmatised, just to ensure that the public purse is not defrauded.

We are all being asked to contribute to a fairer society, so it’s reasonable to ensure there is no abuse of the system.

It’s the right thing to do.

Absolutely this. I used to work in what is now the DWP, and I'm close to a fair few people who still work there. One of whom works in Fraud and Error.

The amount of fraud cases currently being investigated is staggering, totalling well over £1 billion since Covid. Fraud prevention has been so under-resourced for so long, it's crazy. A couple of years ago, the government panicked and started recruiting in to Fraud investigations, but it's never going to be enough.

The government is understandably reluctant to admit to letting taxpayer cash (money that should those truly in need) be abused in this way, so figures given to the public are only on those they've bothered to bring to justice. In the same way NHS stats are often censored and manipulated- but we can generally see through that.

I'm always shocked that people can be so naive. The result of blindly defaulting to 'benefits claimants never do anything wrong' is that money is haemorrhaging out to people who do not need it, and away from those who do.

I suspect I wouldn't be believed if I gave some examples on here of the things I saw when working as a Work Coach. There's none as blind as those who will not see.

All tax payers should be able to see how their contributions are being spent

So should all public servants be paid in vouchers, so we can see how our tax contributions are spent?

So what’s the difference between money in bank account and a card and how do I pay carers with that or my other bills

I take it you reported her then to dwp? Also about carers they means test you as I got means tested did you ask for a financial form I pay towards my care I get carers 6 and half a week and I get pip I still have to put 70 a week or so to it because they don’t cover all the money which is what I sue my pip towards that’s what it’s there for you should appeal and report her

Yep. Why not just pay everyone in vouchers? Benefit claimants, employees.

Or is it only disabled people who should be stigmatised and dehumanised? Maybe we could send them to camps instead of allowing them to live amongst us.

I don't understand why people don't believe that there are people out there who scam the benefits system. I know a few in my area, no one says anything because snitches get stitches and all that but it's very common. There's families who on paper don't live together, lots of exaggerated illnesses, cash in hand working etc. Just because the majority of MN don't see this behaviour it doesn't mean it's not happening.

On the subject of PIP, I've heard that since covid it's easier to claim because there's no face to face assessments and it's easier to speak to your GP over the phone or econsult and your symptoms are not checked as much. I don't know how much of that is true but I do know that more people seem to be getting the higher rate now, these people are unwell so probably would qualify but not at the higher rate. There's a reason why benefits are being looked at, the welfare bill keeps increasing year on year so that can only mean more people claiming.