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Family member awarded enhanced pip - AIBU?

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Orangecrocs · 19/09/2024 15:42

My family member has just been awarded enhanced pip in both living and mobility components.
Shes told me that she’s twisted the truth during the assessment and told the assessor that she has lots of pain and can’t really walk at all, but she walks all the time as I see her out and about - we live in a hilly area. I know people who are in a wheelchair and struggle to get enhanced rate - so I really don’t understand how she’s managed this.
I know people will say mind your own business but she’s told me she’s actually lied to them.

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Rosscameasdoody · 19/09/2024 19:11

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 19:04

It is not about spying.

It is about benefits not having a cash value only a monetary value.

Well if the government have their way by the end of 2025 it will be about ‘spying’ because the legislation for banks to monitor the accounts of benefit claimants will come into effect. And it won’t be just sickness/disabilty claimants, it will cover all benefits, including state pension and child benefit recipients. So those of you advocating that disabled people need to have their disability spending monitored to see if they’re using it properly, let’s see how you like having your spending on your child monitored in the same way.

Zanatdy · 19/09/2024 19:11

HungryLittleCrocodile · 19/09/2024 18:59

Exactly! I don't believe for a second, that people on PIP go around crowing to friends and family about their benefit, how much they get, and how they 'faked' it.

Some do, trust me as I know one, and he’s told me he has had to exaggerate to get it. I’m not saying he doesn’t have an illness, he does, but he had lied on his form. He told me and he was also worried as his ex girlfriend reported him to DWP and he received a phone call. I’m sure there are some people who just make assumptions that people are lying, but some people actually do just tell people they’ve had to bend the truth. I don’t know anyone who has completely made up an illness, but have made it out to be worse to qualify for PIP

nextdoornightmares · 19/09/2024 19:10

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 19:04

It is not about spying.

It is about benefits not having a cash value only a monetary value.

Most people on benefits are paying everything electronically not via cash. And even if they are using cash, how is that fraud?? If I withdrew all my benefit payment in cash, what does that actually prove??

The government will also never be allowed to just look at people's bank accounts whenever they like just to check their spending. There was a proposal to allow more monitoring of bank accounts to prevent fraud in the form of undeclared income or exceeding the savings threshold. This was in no way related to people withdrawing cash. And didn't go ahead anyway.

Efacsen · 19/09/2024 19:06

PandoraSox · 19/09/2024 19:00

Nope. MN prefer to let it stand so posts can be challenged.

Lots of 'engagement' on threads like this which translates into ad revenue+++

MMUmum · 19/09/2024 19:05

I have heart disease, diabetes and thyroid problems, I was refused PIP because I can walk 200 yards🙄, gets my goat, it really does 😡

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 19:04

YOYOK · 19/09/2024 18:59

This person knows absolutely sweet FA. Regardless, I’d love to have all student loans and child benefit and the winter fuel allowance paid into a particular bank account that the state can spy on, sorry I mean ‘monitor’ to make sure it’s being used correctly.

It is not about spying.

It is about benefits not having a cash value only a monetary value.

PandoraSox · 19/09/2024 19:00

XenoBitch · 19/09/2024 18:31

Yep, I hope it gets taken down.

OP just wants people to get in a froth about her "relative", and this thread is little more than a dog whistle for all the benefit bashers to come out. It happens every time, and it is sickening.

Nope. MN prefer to let it stand so posts can be challenged.

Mrsredlipstick · 19/09/2024 19:00

What an absolutely disgraceful thread.
The top level of PIP is £720 per month, £300 of which can be swapped for a car (a new one, whoop). It took me twenty years to be awarded this even with an Rheumatoid Arthritis reading of 800+ (the average is 6). I worked full time (70 hours per week) all of my career. When I fell ill with fibromaylgia on top of this I had to fight for treatment and benefits to live on whilst they tried a new treatment plan. I couldn't get out of bed let alone work.
I have been a higher rate tax payer for thirty years. I am the tax payer!
Next week I am having a cleaner because I can no longer bend down. I'm paying for it with my pip. Shock horror.
Earlier this year I suffered so badly I wanted to die, yet the tax payer would lose the £1m I will put in the pot before I retire. If I return to good health I will not get these benefits which is right and proper however anyone looking after me is paid £2 an hour. That is something people don't know about or care when they do. It's shameful.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/09/2024 18:59

nextdoornightmares · 19/09/2024 18:50

You seem oddly fixated on this idea of people on benefits withdrawing vast sums of cash. It's really not as big a thing as you think nor will your fantasy bank account/card ideas prevent any sort of benefit fraud. But if people want to withdraw all their benefit payment in cash, they can and that's ok.

Also, benefits ARE cashless. As far as I'm aware nobody has the option to be paid in cash anymore. It's all done via bank transfer. But you keep ignoring the multiple people who have pointed this out to you.

And once that money hits the claimants bank account, it's nobody's business what it's used for.

Yep. This is why benefits like PIP, DLA and AA were created. It gives the disabled person the freedom to spend the benefit on whatever their individual need may be. Disability isn’t a one size fits all thing, and disability benefits are meant to reflect this. What works for one person, may not work for another. So depressing to realise that many posters here don’t realise that.

HungryLittleCrocodile · 19/09/2024 18:59

Rosscameasdoody · 19/09/2024 18:29

I have. It’s bollocks. Unless you live with someone 24 hours a day, are intimately acquainted with their condition, have access to medical reports and are privy to the private details of their benefit claim, you can’t possibly know whether they qualify for benefit or not.

Exactly! I don't believe for a second, that people on PIP go around crowing to friends and family about their benefit, how much they get, and how they 'faked' it.

DejaTu · 19/09/2024 18:59

HungryLittleCrocodile · 19/09/2024 18:57

Rosscameasdoody · Today 18:15
Nope. What a fucking awful comment. The motability scheme is reserved for those who are awarded the enhanced rate mobility component of PIP because they have severe mobility problems. Christ people. Stop reading the Daily Fail, do a bit of research into the eligibility criteria for PIP and apply a bit of critical thinking before you post from sheer ignorance.

Yes there are some fucking rancid comments on this thread... by some equally rancid posters.

As has been said, it needs deleting. It's fucking horrible!

Motability is a terrific scheme, agreed.

FlakyTealMaker · 19/09/2024 18:59

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YOYOK · 19/09/2024 18:59

Rosscameasdoody · 19/09/2024 18:57

I hate to correct you, but state pension actually is classed as a benefit - it’s been defined as such since it was created. Sorry.

This person knows absolutely sweet FA. Regardless, I’d love to have all student loans and child benefit and the winter fuel allowance paid into a particular bank account that the state can spy on, sorry I mean ‘monitor’ to make sure it’s being used correctly.

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 18:58

Rosscameasdoody · 19/09/2024 18:57

I hate to correct you, but state pension actually is classed as a benefit - it’s been defined as such since it was created. Sorry.

This is being petitioned to change too.

LadyKenya · 19/09/2024 18:57

Honestly, moe and more I think it is unwise to confide in friends or family - or anyone - details about personal finances. It can cause resentment which may not be shown openly but festers away.

This has always been my stance. It amazes me how free some people seem to be with their private financial affairs though. But saying that, I do know someone who talks rather too freely about their financial business. I think that nobody needs to know my business in real life.

HungryLittleCrocodile · 19/09/2024 18:57

Rosscameasdoody · Today 18:15
Nope. What a fucking awful comment. The motability scheme is reserved for those who are awarded the enhanced rate mobility component of PIP because they have severe mobility problems. Christ people. Stop reading the Daily Fail, do a bit of research into the eligibility criteria for PIP and apply a bit of critical thinking before you post from sheer ignorance.

Yes there are some fucking rancid comments on this thread... by some equally rancid posters.

As has been said, it needs deleting. It's fucking horrible!

Rosscameasdoody · 19/09/2024 18:57

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 18:53

@YOYOK you do know state pension is not a benefit, are you thinking of pension credit?

I hate to correct you, but state pension actually is classed as a benefit - it’s been defined as such since it was created. Sorry.

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 18:57

nextdoornightmares · 19/09/2024 18:50

You seem oddly fixated on this idea of people on benefits withdrawing vast sums of cash. It's really not as big a thing as you think nor will your fantasy bank account/card ideas prevent any sort of benefit fraud. But if people want to withdraw all their benefit payment in cash, they can and that's ok.

Also, benefits ARE cashless. As far as I'm aware nobody has the option to be paid in cash anymore. It's all done via bank transfer. But you keep ignoring the multiple people who have pointed this out to you.

And once that money hits the claimants bank account, it's nobody's business what it's used for.

For now.

Businesses are going cashless and I believe benefits will too.

I am not ignoring what posters are saying my POV is that cash is not needed anymore and I believe the benefits system would be better if it was a system which only allowed debit card transactions or bank transfers. No cash withdrawals.

A cashless society is the way forward for all transactions not just benefits.

YOYOK · 19/09/2024 18:56

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 18:43

You make no sense.

Businesses are going cashless all the time.

Benefits will too.

Guess what? My DC gets a student loan, do you know how many times he has got cash out in the last 2 years? None!!!!!😂

I run a business and I have never withdrawn cash from that bank account!!!!!

Cash is on the way out and this will be introduced into the benefit system sooner or later.

Edited

No you make no sense.
Benefits are cashless. They are bank transferred.

Your DC should have a special bank account that the government can monitor to make sure he’s using his student loan for appropriate purposes.

Todaywasbetter · 19/09/2024 18:56

I suspect you’ve made it up. But if not, and you feel like you do report it.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/09/2024 18:56

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 18:36

A big difference. Cash is not needed anymore.

Benefit fraud, tax evasion, money laundering. human trafficking, drug money all of these things are easier when cash is the currency.

If cash was removed all these things would lessen.

The UK should become a cashless system and benefits in cash are not necessary. We are moving towards a cashless society so I believe in the future this will be something that is seriously considered.

Edited

Yes indeed. And if a cashless society is created it will make it all the easier for government to keep track of everyone’s spending habits. Not just those of benefit claimants. And you seriously want to hand over this kind of control voluntarily ?

HungryLittleCrocodile · 19/09/2024 18:55

talatala · 19/09/2024 18:23

Absolute nonsense. Yet another benefits bashing thread by a first time poster. It’s really demoralising to see some of the replies though.

This exactly!

HungryLittleCrocodile · 19/09/2024 18:54

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 19/09/2024 18:13

How's that rude????
You go to your Dr, all the time complaining of pain, he/she can't find anything wrong......
Fibromyalgia
How can Fibromyalgia be proved?
It's an umbrella term that is completely and utterly abused.🙄

Tell me you know fuck-all about fibromyalgia, without telling me you know fuck-all about fibromyalgia.

What shitty, ignorant comments from you. I am embarrassed for you!

!

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 18:53

@YOYOK you do know state pension is not a benefit, are you thinking of pension credit?

DejaTu · 19/09/2024 18:52

Daschund · 19/09/2024 18:48

So much bullshit spouted on here. If you think it's so easy to claim and get awarded enhanced care and mobilty on PIP, knock yourselves out.
One poster confidently asserts that the DH of a claimant is a high earner but he claims carer's allowance. CA is about £80 a week (for providing 35hrs of care) and you have to earn less than £151 per week.

At least it exists.

Some people would literally die to get it (and tragically do).