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Family member awarded enhanced pip - AIBU?

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Orangecrocs · 19/09/2024 15:42

My family member has just been awarded enhanced pip in both living and mobility components.
Shes told me that she’s twisted the truth during the assessment and told the assessor that she has lots of pain and can’t really walk at all, but she walks all the time as I see her out and about - we live in a hilly area. I know people who are in a wheelchair and struggle to get enhanced rate - so I really don’t understand how she’s managed this.
I know people will say mind your own business but she’s told me she’s actually lied to them.

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Miley1967 · 20/09/2024 10:31

NamelessNancy · 20/09/2024 10:28

How would that work? You have people who are entitled to benefits because they are not able to work (eg doing accounts) and then make them do detailed accounts? How about those with learning difficulties? Bonkers and demeaning.

Surely if someone had learning difficulties they would have an appointee.

NamelessNancy · 20/09/2024 10:28

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 17:34

A benefit debit card?

A benefit bank transfer?

The whole system needs changing.

I have a business bank account. Everything is accounted for.

Benefit claimants could have a benefit bank account and debit card and account for everything too.

Edited

How would that work? You have people who are entitled to benefits because they are not able to work (eg doing accounts) and then make them do detailed accounts? How about those with learning difficulties? Bonkers and demeaning.

Julen7 · 20/09/2024 10:26

pointythings · 20/09/2024 10:20

And you believed them. That's on you. My DS scanned in stack of medical evidence to get his PIP.

Yes I believe them. It actually says on the Benefit and Work guide website that medical evidence is not necessary to claim PIP.

Anyway got to get to work now so bowing out of this thread, I think everybody has had a good say and now just getting repetitive

Quacksalver · 20/09/2024 10:25

OhmygodDont · 19/09/2024 17:41

I know people who have been reported. But again how do you disprove how bad their anxiety and pain are?

When the women sits their sobbing that she cannot leave the house without a chaperone to the assessor and when she does go to the gp takes a grandchild with her. Like a child is really a proper chaperone.

Not when she goes Toby or bingo tho. Can do that alone 🤷🏻‍♀️

sure the women in question has issues, Breathing, would be helped with some weight loss and quitting the fags and microwave meals.

Her anxiety is not what she says and nor is her pain from the boxes of unused painkillers stacking up.

Classic newbie oversight. She could sell those pain-killers to rake in even more dosh!

CrossUniStudent · 20/09/2024 10:24

@Kitkat1523

anyway it will all be changing in the autumn budget ……talk of it being a diagnosis based benefit….so we will wait and see

Well that will be interesting seeing as you don't require a diagnosis to be classed as disabled covered by the equality act aka it will never happen

Teanbiscuits33 · 20/09/2024 10:22

Julen7 · 20/09/2024 10:14

Here

Nobody knows anybody on here from Adam so you only know what has been said, remember that. I’ve never ever known anyone to get pip without medical evidence in my life, and she did say she didn’t know whether they asked her GP or therapist.

Perhaps on rare occasions they give claimants the benefit of the doubt, but if this is the case they won’t be awarded it for long periods without reassessment. It’s overwhelmingly my experience that those who are clearly entitled get refused and need to go to court if they want to fight it.

kenidorm · 20/09/2024 10:22

All you people who believe that PIP is awarded on the say so of the applicants information, why don't you fill in the form, see how you get on?

LadyKenya · 20/09/2024 10:21

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 10:17

No you are incorrect…..no ‘medical evidence’ is required to claim…….of course you don’t have much chance of succeeding in getting an award…..but nowhere does it say you NEED medical evidence.

anyway…..no point discussing…..as it will all change in the Autumn statement…..I’m guessing there will be an official list of diagnoses ….and only people on that list will be able to apply

Stop guessing, and trying to scaremonger people. You have no idea what will be in the budget.

HauntedbyMagpies · 20/09/2024 10:20

@Kitkat1523 Source re: what's in the Autumn Statement

pointythings · 20/09/2024 10:20

Julen7 · 20/09/2024 10:10

Someone posted a few pages back about getting enhanced mobility with no medical evidence

And you believed them. That's on you. My DS scanned in stack of medical evidence to get his PIP.

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 10:17

Teanbiscuits33 · 20/09/2024 10:08

No, incorrect. You need medical evidence, you don’t need a specific diagnosis. Reason being is that someone may not have been officially diagnosed, but can have significant impairments. Secondly, a diagnosis is not required because it matters not about the condition in itself, but how it effects the person. Two people can have the same diagnoses but present with symptoms that can vary quite widely. You need a lot of evidence.

No you are incorrect…..no ‘medical evidence’ is required to claim…….of course you don’t have much chance of succeeding in getting an award…..but nowhere does it say you NEED medical evidence.

anyway…..no point discussing…..as it will all change in the Autumn statement…..I’m guessing there will be an official list of diagnoses ….and only people on that list will be able to apply

LadyKenya · 20/09/2024 10:16

I agree with you@Rosscameasdoody

Julen7 · 20/09/2024 10:14

HelpMePlease32 · 19/09/2024 21:22

One of the descriptors is "leaving the house causes overwhelming psychological distress" which I scored full points for as in my case I'm unable to do it alone, I can't drive somewhere alone, or follow a route on my own because of my panic and anxiety, I also have fibromyalgia and was awarded it on the basis that it is can be incredibly difficult on my worst days for me to walk 200 meters or I can do it but I would be in pain, it would take me an unreasonable amount of time and the after effects of doing that activity. Just to add, I didn't provide any medical info on my application. I'm not sure whether they did infact contact my GP or my therapist.

Here

Julen7 · 20/09/2024 10:13

I’ll try and find the post 😊

Teanbiscuits33 · 20/09/2024 10:11

Julen7 · 20/09/2024 10:10

Someone posted a few pages back about getting enhanced mobility with no medical evidence

And that person who is a complete and utter randomer posting anonymously on mumsnet has to be telling the truth as opposed to whipping up a storm how, exactly?

Julen7 · 20/09/2024 10:10

Teanbiscuits33 · 20/09/2024 10:08

No, incorrect. You need medical evidence, you don’t need a specific diagnosis. Reason being is that someone may not have been officially diagnosed, but can have significant impairments. Secondly, a diagnosis is not required because it matters not about the condition in itself, but how it effects the person. Two people can have the same diagnoses but present with symptoms that can vary quite widely. You need a lot of evidence.

Someone posted a few pages back about getting enhanced mobility with no medical evidence

Teanbiscuits33 · 20/09/2024 10:08

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 09:59

Hey ….no spite here…..I’m glad you getting it…..I don’t see any issues with people with mental health getting pip…..what I am saying is the system is currently set up that you don’t NEED ‘medical evidence’ to apply…..it’s not compulsory…..and no….most people won’t be sucessful ….granted…..but lots of people with mental health issues do apply without evidence as they simply don’t have it…..and they are relying on a comprehensively completed pip document and evidence which is non medical……you only have to frequent the scope forums to know this

anyway it will all be changing in the autumn budget ……talk of it being a diagnosis based benefit….so we will wait and see

No, incorrect. You need medical evidence, you don’t need a specific diagnosis. Reason being is that someone may not have been officially diagnosed, but can have significant impairments. Secondly, a diagnosis is not required because it matters not about the condition in itself, but how it effects the person. Two people can have the same diagnoses but present with symptoms that can vary quite widely. You need a lot of evidence.

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 09:59

Startingagainandagain · 20/09/2024 09:52

'@Kitkat1523

I’m not saying it’s easy….I’m saying the way the system is currently set up ….no one ‘has’ to provide medical evidence …….it is your choice to……of course it is going to be in your favour…..but some people who apply have no medical evidence as they have no diagnosis as such……especially with mental health'

More nonsense.

I have had mental health issues since my teens. Plenty of evidence of it in my medical notes: from referrals to NHS counselling, time spent under the care of the crisis team, letter from rape crisis service who looked after me after an assault and documented suicidal plans. Not to mention details of the medication I have to take. Clearly diagnosed with PTSD and depression.

I am so sick and tired of people who think that mental health issues are made up....

I will say this again: nobody will get awarded PIP without medical evidence.

So many spiteful comments on this thread. And just because they can't stand the idea that someone could receive some financial support for a health condition. It is truly appalling.

And I work by the way. I always have. PIP helps me stay in employment.

Edited

Hey ….no spite here…..I’m glad you getting it…..I don’t see any issues with people with mental health getting pip…..what I am saying is the system is currently set up that you don’t NEED ‘medical evidence’ to apply…..it’s not compulsory…..and no….most people won’t be sucessful ….granted…..but lots of people with mental health issues do apply without evidence as they simply don’t have it…..and they are relying on a comprehensively completed pip document and evidence which is non medical……you only have to frequent the scope forums to know this

anyway it will all be changing in the autumn budget ……talk of it being a diagnosis based benefit….so we will wait and see

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 09:59

DejaTu · 20/09/2024 09:39

Evidently a significant number of people are seriously short on cash.

I cannot imagine what it must be like putting themselves through the described indignities for such a small amount of funding.

Said with goodwill and peace and ❤️

Edited

Goodwill and peace my arse !! A heart emoji doesn’t make it any less offensive or ableist.

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 09:55

LadyKenya · 20/09/2024 08:54

Far better controls are needed and IMO the system that is the motability car scheme needs totally scrapping and replacing with a limited scheme which provides specially adapted cars ONLY (for wheelchair users/amputees etc).

Another poster, who I am glad to say does not have any influence on how this scheme is run. So people who are not any of the above should not benefit from motability? Those people with walking issues that do not require a wheelchair, or those that just walk with a stick sometimes, have you considered them in your rush to give us your rather short sighted opinion?

Let’s just go down this rabbit hole for a moment. Quite apart from the astounding lack of understanding of disability this poster displays, there are a couple of things they haven’t factored in.

Firstly Motability is accessible only to those claimants who have secured the advanced rate of mobility allowance. This is only awarded to the most severely disabled. So either they are suggesting that awards should be lower for certain disabilities - in which case the basis of the whole assessment would change because currently PIP doesn’t look at the disability itself, but rather considers the effect of it. Or she’s suggesting that even those with the most severe disabilities shouldn’t be allowed to join a scheme for which they are eligible by way of benefit award. Either way it’s outrageously ableist and discriminatory.

Secindly, Motability itself is a large organisation - a charity. And it’s large customer base and unique contribution to the disabled gives it very significant buying power - it has a significant effect on the UK motor industry and works with most manufacturers, securing vehicles and selling them on at the end of the lease period. Suddenly severely limiting eligibility on the basis she suggests would almost certainly render the scheme unviable, and then everyone would lose. But then l think some posters would be only too happy with that judging by some of the most ignorant input on the thread. They just can’t handle the idea that severely disabled people’s lives may be enhanced by the scheme, so the notion that these are ‘free cars’ issued like sweeties at the tax payers’ expense prevails. It’s nonsense.

Startingagainandagain · 20/09/2024 09:52

'@Kitkat1523

I’m not saying it’s easy….I’m saying the way the system is currently set up ….no one ‘has’ to provide medical evidence …….it is your choice to……of course it is going to be in your favour…..but some people who apply have no medical evidence as they have no diagnosis as such……especially with mental health'

More nonsense.

I have had mental health issues since my teens. Plenty of evidence of it in my medical notes: from referrals to NHS counselling, time spent under the care of the crisis team, letter from rape crisis service who looked after me after an assault and documented suicidal plans. Not to mention details of the medication I have to take. Clearly diagnosed with PTSD and depression.

I am so sick and tired of people who think that mental health issues are made up....

I will say this again: nobody will get awarded PIP without medical evidence.

So many spiteful comments on this thread. And just because they can't stand the idea that someone could receive some financial support for a health condition. It is truly appalling.

And I work by the way. I always have. PIP helps me stay in employment.

LadyKenya · 20/09/2024 09:44

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 09:34

For ‘l know a woman’ read ‘l know nothing - l’m just a curtain twitching nosy parker waiting for my ‘gotcha’ moment because l’m not capable of reasoned thinking’.

Correct!

DejaTu · 20/09/2024 09:39

PandoraSox · 20/09/2024 08:09

I see the disability hate is still spewing from this thread. Sadly, some of you bigots will one day find out what it is like to be disabled. I am sure you won't apply for benefits, though.

I am disgusted MN has let this thread stand.

💐 to everyone who has tried to challenge the hate.

Evidently a significant number of people are seriously short on cash.

I cannot imagine what it must be like putting themselves through the described indignities for such a small amount of funding.

Said with goodwill and peace and ❤️

Daltonbear1 · 20/09/2024 09:37

BooneyBeautiful · 20/09/2024 02:01

Not relevant whether they can work or not. Plenty of working people are awarded PIP. Most disabled people or people with chronic health conditions will need extra money. They are likely to be at home more so will use more heating, they are likely to spend longer in the shower so another extra cost. They will probably have to pay for their shopping to be delivered as may not be able to get round the shops. They will probably have to pay for taxis or use part of their PIP on a Motability vehicle (Enhanced Mobility award only). They will need to pay someone to do the household chores they can't manage. The list goes on.

I said those that don't and you will find actually that a few don't

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 09:34

LadyKenya · 20/09/2024 09:24

The amount of people who "know a woman who...." never ceases to amaze me. These people who are gaming the PIP always seem to be a fan of extreme sports as well.🏂Hmm

For ‘l know a woman’ read ‘l know nothing - l’m just a curtain twitching nosy parker waiting for my ‘gotcha’ moment because l’m not capable of reasoned thinking’.