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Family member awarded enhanced pip - AIBU?

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Orangecrocs · 19/09/2024 15:42

My family member has just been awarded enhanced pip in both living and mobility components.
Shes told me that she’s twisted the truth during the assessment and told the assessor that she has lots of pain and can’t really walk at all, but she walks all the time as I see her out and about - we live in a hilly area. I know people who are in a wheelchair and struggle to get enhanced rate - so I really don’t understand how she’s managed this.
I know people will say mind your own business but she’s told me she’s actually lied to them.

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Windchimesandsong · 20/09/2024 16:41

Garlicandchilli · 20/09/2024 16:09

She face timed me to show me her black eyes!

My goodness! So it definitely sounds like she might be too unwell to work. I'm assuming mental health and/or alcohol addiction issues.

A good example of failing, underfunded and/or badly managed/ineffective mental health services, social services, and substance issues services.

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 16:21

WalkingonWheels · 20/09/2024 14:41

No I didn't.

It's not a free car, though. We lose half our PIP to pay for it. And they still aren't suitable without investing thousands into something you can't keep. If you think that's fair to disabled people that's eeally odd. Literally every other disabled person I know has the same opinion.

Perhaps if there wasn't so much PIP fraud, there'd be more money for the things that disabled people actually need.

This is what you said. The level of fraud in the disability benefits system is less than 1%, nowhere near paying for the level of support through motability that you seem to think is reasonable for the princely sum of £75 a week. And I absolutely did not say it’s a ‘free car’ I said the mobility allowance when used for Motability provided the claimant with virtually care free use of a car. And as has been said before, if you meet the thresholds, you can apply for funding for more complex adaptations.

Julen7 · 20/09/2024 16:12

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 16:12

Didn’t read the article, was just speaking generally.

Ok

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 16:12

Julen7 · 20/09/2024 16:11

Well it isn’t relevant in this case because the woman in the news has been convicted for fraud and has to pay all her PIP money back. She claimed for physical reasons and was doing pole dancing and yoga, there were no MH factors at all. End of.

Edited

Didn’t read the article, was just speaking generally.

pointythings · 20/09/2024 16:12

@Garlicandchilli given that you seem unable to understand that PIP is not an out of work benefit, I'm disinclined to believe a word you say.

The hate for disabled people here is chilling. There's so much complaining about means testing the WFA, but the moment it's about disabled people, everyone is totally cool with cuts and dehumanising things like unworkable voucher schemes. Some on here need to look in the mirror and realise they are seeing the face of hypocrisy.

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 16:11

Everlore · 20/09/2024 14:56

I've been completely blind since birth. I use my PIP to pay for equipment and adaptations which allow me to access things that sighted people are able to every day without a single thought. I'd happily give up my PIP to one of the moaners on here if they'd like to give me their sight in exchange.

👏👏👏

Julen7 · 20/09/2024 16:11

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 16:03

Whataboutery that’s actually relevant here. If someone makes a claim for PIP entirely based on their mental health, DWP won’t give a monkeys’ about what they can physically do. Yoga would likely be seen as beneficial - dunno about pole dancing though, but if they do it for exercise, that potentially helps with mental health. This example proves that it’s dangerous to make assumptions that someone is cheating. As with the poster who was convinced that because the woman she knew could cook a meal for her family she must be claiming PIP fraudulently. Unless she was claiming she couldn’t cook, she wasn’t actually doing anything wrong. And there’s no way of knowing that without knowing the details of the claim.

Well it isn’t relevant in this case because the woman in the news has been convicted for fraud and has to pay all her PIP money back. She claimed for physical reasons and was doing pole dancing and yoga, there were no MH factors at all. End of.

Garlicandchilli · 20/09/2024 16:09

PandoraSox · 20/09/2024 16:01

She will have a relapse around the time she needs to be assessed, otherwise she cooks, cleans, dog walks, babysits, meals out, all day drinking in pubs and at home with the family in the garden, foreign holidays where she gets so smashed drunk she falls down

I don't think I know this level of detail about even my closest friends' lives. Amazing. How do you know about what she does on her holidays? Does she boast about getting smashed and falling down? Post it on Facebook?

She face timed me to show me her black eyes!

EndlessLight · 20/09/2024 16:08

As I said if you don’t like people calling you out for saying they have posted something when they haven’t, don’t do it in the first place.

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 16:06

Garlicandchilli · 20/09/2024 15:56

I know her very well so do know that there is no way she is disabled anywhere near 50% of the time. She will have a relapse around the time she needs to be assessed, otherwise she cooks, cleans, dog walks, babysits, meals out, all day drinking in pubs and at home with the family in the garden, foreign holidays where she gets so smashed drunk she falls down.

She travelled to Turkey for a gastric sleeve and lost about 5 stone. She may be an exception but I can absolutely guarantee she is well enough to work.

PIP has absolutely nothing to do with being able to work. It’s an entirely different assessment. So if you don’t know which benefit is meant for what, then how are you so sure she doesn’t qualify ?

Efacsen · 20/09/2024 16:06

EndlessLight · 20/09/2024 16:04

Added in to that a learning difficulty is not the same thing as a learning disability. And many people mix up the two when talking about them. Although someone may have both.

Absolutely

Thevelvelletes · 20/09/2024 16:06

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EndlessLight · 20/09/2024 16:05

Thevelvelletes · 20/09/2024 16:04

I'm going to step back it's an emotive subject and I'm not looking to row with anyone.

Calling you out when you posted I said something I didn’t isn’t a row. If you don’t like it, don’t do it in the first place.

EndlessLight · 20/09/2024 16:04

Efacsen · 20/09/2024 16:02

WRT to Learning Difficulties and accessing support/benefits it depends on their nature ie specific vs global and their severity ie from mild/borderline vs severe/profound

It's a bit of a catch-all and needs clarification to further any discussion

Added in to that a learning difficulty is not the same thing as a learning disability. And many people mix up the two when talking about them. Although someone may have both.

Thevelvelletes · 20/09/2024 16:04

EndlessLight · 20/09/2024 16:02

Again, I didn’t comment on everyone. Nor did I mention what level of support your wife in particular needs. Insinuating I did or that I said dyslexia was the only learning difficulty is what is nonsense. If you don’t like me calling you out for saying something I didn’t then you shouldn’t post it in the first place. Try reading my actual posts rather than making your own version up.

I'm going to step back it's an emotive subject and I'm not looking to row with anyone.

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 16:03

Julen7 · 20/09/2024 15:45

No it’s just you rushing to post your whataboutery

Whataboutery that’s actually relevant here. If someone makes a claim for PIP entirely based on their mental health, DWP won’t give a monkeys’ about what they can physically do. Yoga would likely be seen as beneficial - dunno about pole dancing though, but if they do it for exercise, that potentially helps with mental health. This example proves that it’s dangerous to make assumptions that someone is cheating. As with the poster who was convinced that because the woman she knew could cook a meal for her family she must be claiming PIP fraudulently. Unless she was claiming she couldn’t cook, she wasn’t actually doing anything wrong. And there’s no way of knowing that without knowing the details of the claim.

Efacsen · 20/09/2024 16:02

WRT to Learning Difficulties and accessing support/benefits it depends on their nature ie specific vs global and their severity ie from mild/borderline vs severe/profound

It's a bit of a catch-all and needs clarification to further any discussion

EndlessLight · 20/09/2024 16:02

Thevelvelletes · 20/09/2024 16:00

I know the difficulties my dw faces I can assure you they are not nonsense.
I'll tell what's nonsense was a work coach suggesting there maybe a cure for osteoporosis... that's the rubbish claimants can be up against.

Again, I didn’t comment on everyone. Nor did I mention what level of support your wife in particular needs. Insinuating I did or that I said dyslexia was the only learning difficulty is what is nonsense. If you don’t like me calling you out for saying something I didn’t then you shouldn’t post it in the first place. Try reading my actual posts rather than making your own version up.

Windchimesandsong · 20/09/2024 16:01

Right well anyway. I think what I'll take from this thread is that because some people shoplift, everyone , every single one of us shoppers, should be banned from from shops. Even though the majority of us don't shoplift.

PandoraSox · 20/09/2024 16:01

Garlicandchilli · 20/09/2024 15:56

I know her very well so do know that there is no way she is disabled anywhere near 50% of the time. She will have a relapse around the time she needs to be assessed, otherwise she cooks, cleans, dog walks, babysits, meals out, all day drinking in pubs and at home with the family in the garden, foreign holidays where she gets so smashed drunk she falls down.

She travelled to Turkey for a gastric sleeve and lost about 5 stone. She may be an exception but I can absolutely guarantee she is well enough to work.

She will have a relapse around the time she needs to be assessed, otherwise she cooks, cleans, dog walks, babysits, meals out, all day drinking in pubs and at home with the family in the garden, foreign holidays where she gets so smashed drunk she falls down

I don't think I know this level of detail about even my closest friends' lives. Amazing. How do you know about what she does on her holidays? Does she boast about getting smashed and falling down? Post it on Facebook?

Thevelvelletes · 20/09/2024 16:00

EndlessLight · 20/09/2024 15:57

If you don’t like the reply, don’t post nonsense.

I know the difficulties my dw faces I can assure you they are not nonsense.
I'll tell what's nonsense was a work coach suggesting there maybe a cure for osteoporosis... that's the rubbish claimants can be up against.

Windchimesandsong · 20/09/2024 15:58

She may be an exception but I can absolutely guarantee she is well enough to work.

PIP isn't an out of work benefit. Some who get it are unable to work. Others do work (often because the PIP enablers them to).

Garlicandchilli · 20/09/2024 15:57

To add to my post above, the whole family know exactly how to play the system.

EndlessLight · 20/09/2024 15:57

If you don’t like the reply, don’t post nonsense.

Thevelvelletes · 20/09/2024 15:56

Gtf 😁