to think that putting explosives in devices such as pagers and walkie talkies can lead to indiscriminate injuries and killings

I do know that.
i don’t think you are reading my posts.
My view is that Israel’s actions are terrorist actions.

Here we go again I see. Yes Hamas and Hizbollah are terrorists.

Ah, so the UN have announced that Israel are "terrorists"? No. Recheck your facts please.

Israel is not proscribed as terrorist. Did you mean to say that in your pp?

And do you accept that the UK has proscribed Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorists?

What do you mean objective sources? Is the UN objective enough for you? You do know what is going on in Gaza?

Yes I think their actions meet the criteria’s of terrorism and war criminals. Easily.

Nice bit of distortion there... In your previous posts you explicitly called Israel " terrorists ". One would believe that you have used objective sources in order to reach this conclusion, no?

You do realise terrorist is a legal position in the UK

Are you saying Israel meets that criteria? And who do you think should not?

It's terror tactics and it's unacceptable. I say that as someone who largely supports Israel

what do you mean source?
yes I believe the Israeli government are guilty of war crimes.

This attack was the very definition of discriminate, as opposed to indiscriminate. It specifically blew up devices that were given out to terrorist fighters. As sad as it may be, the presence of civilians and inevitable, although minimal, collateral damage, doesn't make this attack indiscriminate.

You believe Israel are terrorists?. Would you care to share your source?

In the UK it's a legal position not a matter of who you happen to support. MNHQ have put up some links

Defend themselves by killing 40000 civilians using terrorists tactics?? Exploding pagers in supermarkets?? Israel are the terrorists here too.

Maybe read up on the history between Israel and Hizbollah a bit? It is quite clear why they are attacking. Doesn’t mean I support them attacking before you jump on that sentence.

The link being that Hezbollah started its fresh bombing campaign following Hamas' Oct 7th attack? What do you think that Hezbollah intended to happen when they started launching rockets? They're no peacekeeping force. If Hezbollah had done nothing, then Israel would have ignored them. There's only a link because Hezbollah wanted there to be a link.

I don't condone many of the things Israel has done in Gaza by the way (the goal of dismantling Hamas is a valid objective, but some of the methods are objectionable). But that doesn‘t give Hezbollah an excuse to stir things up even more.

To clarify, I don't view the ordinary people of Gaza, Isreal or Lebanon as terrorists, just the Netanyahu govt, Hezbollah and Hamas (and their supporters). I view the ordinary citizens on all sides as the victims.

You have two vile terrorist organisations aiming to kill and maim as many people as possible. Neither side cares who is affected by their ordinance.

These psychopaths don't view people as having any value, they are just the enemy.

That occupation ended 24 years ago. It has been 18 years since any Israeli troops occupied Lebanon. What is Hezbollah's excuse for the last 11 months of bombing?

You do understand the link between what is happening in Lebanon and Gaza ?
It’s also relevant to the discussion around the narrative of Israel defending themselves vs everyone else being terrorists. I’d say starving millions to death is as terrorist as you can get

What's that got to do with pager bombs in Beirut?

It was Hezbollah buying and using the devices though, so it wasn't indiscriminate, it was targetted.
Less collateral damage than rockets or larger explosions.

No, that's not what I said at all. This isn't tit-for-tat, this was a targeted strike against Hezbollah terrorists which resulted in far lower civilian casualties than any other method that comes to mind to achieve the intended result. In the coming weeks it may become known how effective it was - despite one poster claiming to know exactly what the objective was and whether it was met before the dust had even settled. If one or two kids got in the way of an operation to disrupt Hezbollah then that's unfortunate.

Meaningless statement if you file whatever actions you like under "protection of my people"
Hamas and Hizbollah would say the same. Hizbollah was formed in response to Israel's invasion of Lebanon (after a fairly quiet period)
Its very debatable that Israel's foreign policy serve to protect their people.

@Auvergne63 ,

‘I don't agree with you on this because being pre -emptive makes Israel the aggressor especially since Israel and Lebanon have not formally at war with each other.’

Hezbollah isn’t Lebanon, they are effectively Iranian occupying forces of a part of Lebanon, and they have been firing missiles at Israel for years.

I suspect that, ex Hezbollah, Israel and Lebanon would be coexisting peacefully.

Israel is blocking emergency aid to Gaza
Children are starving to death
Is this also part of their "defense"?