to think that putting explosives in devices such as pagers and walkie talkies can lead to indiscriminate injuries and killings

I agree if the op's main criteria is this ratio then this operation was very focussed

The stated aim of the Israeli government is to get rid of all the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. And they are being bankrolled by the US to achieve this. They claim part of Lebanon as part of Greater Israel. If the indigenous people of an occupied country want to resist the takeover, or the starvation, destruction of hospitals/schools/infrastructure et etc, I’m not surprised. I’m just astonished that so many people can ignore the appalling suffering of so many, making 2 million people homeless. Russia has been sanctioned for far less in Ukraine, where at least they have two actual armies ‘fighting’ each other. More children have been slaughtered in Gaza since October 7th than in conflicts worldwide in the past five years, and don’t forget all those left orphaned, maimed and traumatised. You picked one incident where the Druze kids were playing football. Remember the Palestinian kids playing on the beach who all got shot? The little girl and her family who were all murdered - along with the two medics who tried to reach the family? Quite apart from the other thousands. And if people come to steal your home,or your farm, your animals, destroy your business, would you do nothing? Most Israelis are immigrants who have two passports. Most Palestinians only have ‘travel documents’ . And on and on

To the plane itself? Very little in all likelihood as the charges would be small and probably very deliberately less than required to blow a hole in a plane - they're pretty strong really.

It would also need a signal to have triggered it, and if they're using rf/microwave for triggering that it would be unlikely to have picked up that type of signal in the air.

OP, what is your point?

Are you unaware of all the previous acts of war and terrorism where civilians have been killed and injured?

Mossad has done exactly what they set out to do:

They have taken out legitimate (to them) targets, either through death or injuries that mean the victim is no longer able to be combatant.

They have proved they can infiltrate the supply chain.

They have seriously disrupted communications.

They have caused fear/terror and mistrust of the chain of command.

They have exposed 'sleeper' agents, including those in positions of power, working in hospitals and as aid workers etc.

Yes it is tragic that children have been killed, but as a PP put it, "The ratio of civilian deaths to combatant deaths was incredibly low" which shows how incredibly targeted the operation was - war is hell and children always suffer, but far fewer this way that with rockets/mines/bombs and so on.

We are always going to lose innocents in war. There is nothing we can do about that.

Ratio is irrelevant when Muslims/arabs are the victims. There. Fixed that for you.

It's ingenious for many reasons an it's really only Mossad who could have done this - and so successfully, too.

It will have the terrorists, and Iran, absolutely on the back foot now. They have no idea what else is waiting for them if they choose to pursue more indiscriminate missile attacks on Israel.

One wonders what would have happened if one if those people with a pager was on a plane when it exploded.

This is what it achieves:

“I am a medical worker, but the grudge I have now … I will insist on teaching it to my great-great-grandson. I was neutral, but now I’m going to take a side,” Yusuf said

And so it goes on. And on. Which is probably the aim.

I’m not sure committing genocide of a country that you’ve locked behind walls and imprisoned is ‘fighting for survival’ but you crack on!

I'm not interested in the usual whataboutery.
The pp said ONLY terrorists had them. That is blatantly untrue. It's clear from these type threads that plenty of people think Palestinian children don't count. That seems to now be extended to Lebanese children.

@cakeorwine ,

‘What ratio of innocent civillians killed to terrorists would be too much for you?’

Innocent civilians have been killed in every single war.

There are benchmarks for what is a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ ratio and, I can assure you, this operation was an exceedingly good ratio. The explosives were small and mostly on the bodies of enemy combatants.

Ratio is irrelevant when you are at war fighting for your survival.

It's a very tightly targeted attack. Much more specific than lobbing bombs and missiles around. It'd be better if there were no attacks at all but as far as these things go it's about as clinical as they could have been.

I saw a picture of a phone shop. That could easily have been fixing the pager for someone or something.

It's a war.

How many innocent civilians would the terrorists who were killed have killed if they weren't killed?

And then tell me how many of those would have been collateral killings as opposed to deliberate kills?

Hezbollah are a terrorist organisation and the pagers were specifically for their use.

This, unlike a lot of what is going on in Gaza, was actually a brilliant calculated strike on terrorists.

The ratio of civilian deaths to combatant deaths was incredibly low.

This was a military coup and many will be looking up to Mossad for achieving it.

Did you miss the two children and four health care workers who have been killed?

Again, my question is - what WAS that actually supposed to achieve? It was a terror tactic pure and simple, it certainly hasn't actually had any major affect other than to prove yet again that the Israelis are hypocrites, incense and inflame relations between various nations in the region and edge the ME closer to all out war.

This will continue to escalate until there is more and more countries dragged in.
Israel don’t give a fuck. Look at the sheer volume of people dead and displaced in Palestine.

Sadly war is a bit more complicated than that.

if you have a regime whose stated aim is the destruction of a country, and who will resort to the most brutal of tactics to enforce this, then what does your country do to protect its own children?

if they continue to launch rockets at your playgrounds and schools, killing children playing football. Do you do nothing ?

I have no answers and I have no idea whether Israel is proportionate and I do not support their government. I’m just sick of people with no knowledge of Middle Eastern politics or connection to the area ‘picking a team’ based on what social media algorithm they’re on.