to think that putting explosives in devices such as pagers and walkie talkies can lead to indiscriminate injuries and killings

@cakeorwine

Everyday objects filled with explosives - so you can't be confident that it will explode when you want it to and who it will explode next to
They were pagers bought by Hezbollah and issued to Hezbollah, not picked up in a store by Joe Bloggs. The signal to explode was sent at 3:30 and went off at 3:30 across the country - the plastic explosive wouldn't explode without the signal. Agreed that they couldn't know who the person would be stood next to, but in the majority of cases the pager would have been in the victims pocket or on his belt, so unlikely to hurt anyone else.

The unintended consequences of an explosion - such as on a plane, a driver on a bus etc They were small explosions so unlikely to have any larger consequences other than killing the individual, but if that individual was flying the plane/driving the bus then you have a point about a higher death toll (luckily no-one was in that case!)

Yes but that's Israel's MO, it the hypocrisy that gets me, they pretend to have the moral high ground while carrying out acts of terrorism.

That's the dark side of the moon. You, of all people, know we have the other side.

@Summernightsinthe21stcentury this is you too.

Hezbollah are a terrorist organisation the size of an army. It was always going to be hard for Israel to target them while minimising civilian casualties but Israel has gone out of its way to do that and done it very successfully. There could hardly have been a more surgical strike. Bombs and mines kill far more indiscriminately. (The Iranians used to clear minefields by shackling children together and making them walk across.) Do you imagine Hezbollah would have gone to this effort to avoid civilian casualties?

When Israeli agents assassinated Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas political leader, recently, the bomb used was designed to minimise risk to bystanders and the agents put themselves in great personal danger to ensure no innocent people were in the room when it was detonated.

The pagers and walkie-talkies were not distributed to the general public and the explosives were not designed to maximise casualties.

Ok I am out.

Absolutely I can see the hatred on the Palestinian side @Saltedbutter and I can also see that hatred on the other side.
My only question is how will this end.

Not in 'the same way' at all. Ridiculous.

The devices were modified to add 3g PETN explosive charges. It’s not a stock device, it’s a booby trap.

I wait with bated breathe the toasters, air-fryers, coffee machines and other goods that terrorists typically buy to kill Jews. All those items that will - according to a victim-blamer's view - explode tomorrow because Mossad are a bunch of fuckwits who cannot tell the difference between a readily available domestic item and a device with which terrorists plan to kill their children.

Yeah, that's the point. Why do you think they are minimising killing civilians by using this rather than missiles? They want to kill everyone in their path.

Whilst I obviously think October 7th was utterly despicable and should never have happened, surely you can see why Palestinians would have a deep hatred of the Israeli state?

This!

Do you think they care? If it's an innocent child, woman or man?

They don't. They murder indiscriminately.

@user8634259076 Any device that has had a small amount of plastic explosive added to it could be used, as long as that device is using radio frequency that a signal can be sent to. Hezbollah were using pagers instead of phones as phone signals can be tracked and traced. Similar with walkie/talkies (probably military grade radios rather than the junk you can buy on Amazon!).

This is a shocking event, in the same way that October 7th was shocking.
I just don't and can't understand this hatred, it just runs so deep, and seemingly won't be stopped.
I can't see an end unfortunately.

It's just evil

I hate humans, we're a fucking virus

Only if you have C7 injected into it from a stock room in Budapest, or Cork, or Madrid, or Hong Kong before you take delivery.

Does anyone know if this is possible to happen with smart phones? Smart meters? Other devices? Or is there something about a pager that makes them vulnerable? Seems very 1990’s tech, can’t believe they’re still for sale anywhere.
A year or so ago I was chatting to a chap who was adamant he wouldn’t have a smart meter as “the Chinese will be able to hack them and turn the power off” I smiled and nodded, but now, it doesn’t actually seem so far fetched!

Ratio was irrelevant when Hitler gassed the Jews. When Hamas butchered men, women and children. When Al Qaeda flew planes into civilian towers. When Putin bombed schools, hospitals and seperated 60,000 Ukranian children from their families.

Your views are irrelevant. So are mine. Let those that want to fight get on and do their work. You in your armchair are neither involved or will make a difference.

Ah, that's alright then.👍

The whole aim of this is to aggravate a war with Lebanon and Syria. Zionist Israelis believe that the borders of Israel should cross further into these areas.

It's all very frightening and Israel need to be held accountable.

It has done all this. I was listening to the world service. This type of thing hasn't been done before

What would have been your stance if Palestine had had the infrastructure to commit this attack on Israel?