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Whitfloor · 18/09/2024 14:52

My friend had a general anaesthetic two days ago (her first) to correct a minor problem. She seemed fine. She's in her late thirties.

Two hours ago she felt very sick and became unable to stand. She became unresponsive. No raised temperature. An ambulance was called.

Waiting on a CT scan. She can't move her legs.

She was frightened about the possibility of having a reaction to the anaesthetic. Could this be a delayed reaction?

Reduced sensation in all four limbs. SATS fine throughout. Now perfectly clear mentally but passed out for a while in the ambulance.

What could be happening?

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Snippit · 23/05/2025 15:19

My daughter had this diagnosis, and the hoover test was definitive. It’s a strange one, she has had previous gynae trauma and her body seems to have shut off, it’s as if her body can no longer cope.

Snippit · 23/05/2025 15:09

naw131 · 22/05/2025 20:47

MS doesn't respond well to General anaesthesia..........She'll need a brain and spinal MRI and lumbar puncture...

I have M.S and an MRI scan showed where the lesions were located, this can then help to identify which parts of the body are affected. I have several in my brain affecting cognition, dexterity, short term memory, and a significant one on my spine that affects my legs and mobility.

I have relapsing remitting M.S so symptoms are up and down. Having a general anaesthetic, which I needed due to a badly broken arm caused a relapse, I have to be careful and pace myself. Stress is also a major factor, but life is never straight forward and at times you can’t avoid it. I didn’t have a lumbar puncture, thankfully, the scan showed enough evidence. I can still drive, I’m on a 3 yearly license, I don’t go far now as it’s very draining.

It’s awful when your body suddenly stops functioning and very bloody scary. I had CBT to help with the diagnosis and greave for a life I once had, a very active one. I have a different outlook on life now and certainly don’t take anything for granted.

I recently took my daughter to a neurologist privately as she was presenting similar symptoms to mine, I paid privately. Upon the MRI it showed no lesions but a colloidal cyst, the same as Davina McCall has had removed. The brain surgeon did further neurological tests and has diagnosed FND, I’d never heard of it. The way he explained it is that M.S is a hardware problem and they can see it on a scan FND is a software problem. She’s has had gynaecological issues since she was 14 and still not resolved completely at 29, basically her body has spat it’s dummmy out, it can no longer cope. Womens health services is abhorrent, she has now been referred to a Endometriosis Specialist Centre with a 53 week wait, as even after a hysterectomy the endometriosis has returned, we knew it could, but it stopped her periods and excruciating pain that would last for weeks and leaving her unable to work. Life at times is very bloody trying, 🥴

naw131 · 22/05/2025 20:49

she needs an MRI NOT A CT scan..............

naw131 · 22/05/2025 20:47

MS doesn't respond well to General anaesthesia..........She'll need a brain and spinal MRI and lumbar puncture...

Poopants1000 · 22/05/2025 17:49

Destiny123 · 25/09/2024 21:45

B12 doesn't cause immediate bilateral weakness (coming from a Dr with a peripheral neuropathy from b11 deficiency

What a shame that you were left to suffer to the point where it caused neuropathy. It takes far too long to get a diagnosis of this condition.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 22/05/2025 14:42

Friend had this it was Aneurysm of illiac artery

changedusername190 · 22/05/2025 14:37

I had GBS many years ago i don’t remember much about it. The last thing i remember whilst conscious was that they were going to get someone to put a needle through my leg to see if if i could feel it.
Im not sure what the outcome of that was as i was in a coma.

MO308002 · 05/10/2024 06:20

Drinkdrinkduuurink · 02/10/2024 06:39

Biologics are prescribed on the NHS for arthritis.

And regards Spain, you have mountains of forms to fill in to get anything done.

https://theenglishacademyblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/15/spanish-bureaucracy-a-pain-in-the-arse/

They aren't prescribed as a first line treatment, and also if you read my post I was talking about the persistent refusal to take me seriously, for many years, resulting in over a decade of severe pain and non treatment of someone with a serious condition.its difficult to be prescribed anything much if you keep being told you are "just tired".

I always find it astonishing when people are so desperate to defend the NHS when it has repeatedly been found to be dangerously poor.

BlackeyedSusan · 02/10/2024 06:54

comeondover · 18/09/2024 22:14

Can you say more about the new research on fnd please? How new? And if it's recognised as having a physiological basis (presumably it is, if no longer seen as psychological), then is there anything specific known about this?

There was an article on this on one of those medical radio 4 programmes. Last week's I think. Possibly "All In The Mind" I was driving so not 100% concentrating.

Drinkdrinkduuurink · 02/10/2024 06:39

MO308002 · 22/09/2024 06:11

I'm happy that your daughter received a good level of care, but you should be able to expect that.

The NHS is, I'm afraid, absolutely terrible. The UK have done a fantastic job of gaslighting the British public into believing they should be grateful for it, despite the extraordinarily poor level of care that is given

I have rheumatoid arthritis. On many many occasions throughout my teen years I had classic symptoms including excruciating pain and loss of mobility. I was never given so much as a blood test, I was accused of lying to cover up for "not having revised for my Alevels", I was told that I was to "stop wasting appointments that people who are actually ill need" when I cam back in my early 20s as a single mother and was told I was "just tired" it was incredible, and it wasn't just one doctor, it was multiple places in Manchester. Birmingham and Cambridge (born in one, studied in the other 2).

In Spain, I had one bad flare, went to the GP, blood test the next day, specialist rheumatology appointment within a week, within a month I was prescribed a biologic that changed my life. If I still lived in the UK, and the treatment had continued as is was (and I see no reason why it wouldn't have) I would have permanent damage and probably be in a wheelchair by 50.

My story is not unique. The maternity care in the UK is dangerously poor, the fact that people can barely get a GP appointment is absurd (here I live in a working class area of a major Spanish city and if a child has a fever and you call the GP at any time between 0800-2000 Monday to Friday you will be given an appointment with your paediatrician the same day and usually within an hour or so. If outside those hours then there are out of hours services. Same for an adult

I could go on and on and I'm sure there are good doctors and nurses in the NHS but as an organisation is is dangerous underfunded and routinely fails to pick up on complex illnesses because of the dismissive attitude that is often given towards patients and I suspect this is partly due to lack of funding, burnout etc but also due to a culture where noone dares criticise -you only need to look through Mumsnet for a day to see multiple posts of women who are clearly unwell wringing their hand about whether they "really need" medical attention, because there is this culture of "you need to be half dead to take up one of our valuable appointments " it's extremely sad.

So, I'm sorry your daughter broke her arm, the poor thing must have been in a lot of pain and I'm glad she was seen quickly. But this is not an illness requiring a diagnosis, it's a fairly simple and clear injury that was fixed. As it bloody well should be! A child with a broken arm should always be seen quickly and taken care of - that's basic.

But the NHS, is still, unbelievably shit.

Biologics are prescribed on the NHS for arthritis.

And regards Spain, you have mountains of forms to fill in to get anything done.

https://theenglishacademyblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/15/spanish-bureaucracy-a-pain-in-the-arse/

Spanish Bureaucracy – A Pain in the Arse

Queues, queues, forms, applications, frustrations, and after all that, probably more queues. This is what awaits anyone who wishes to emigrate to Spain for any longer than a few months. Be it obtai…

https://theenglishacademyblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/15/spanish-bureaucracy-a-pain-in-the-arse

notafanofmarmite · 02/10/2024 05:31

Please have your friend see a neurologist and have a work up….if anything for peace of mind. Go private if possible.

PrestonHood121 · 02/10/2024 04:04

i had numbness in my hands and legs and a b12 deficiency. B12 injections didn’t help one bit…. Because it turned out to be MS after all. I hope your friend will have regular check ups.

beeloubee · 25/09/2024 21:54

What was the minor problem that needed correcting? Might be more revelant than thought? Maybe she has mast cell activation syndrome. I struggle to move my legs now but that's because of vaccine causing me adult onset tethered cord. Hope your friend's issues are temporary.

Destiny123 · 25/09/2024 21:45

IOSTT · 23/09/2024 15:12

Can I ask what test(s) are needed re functional b12? Thanks

B12 doesn't cause immediate bilateral weakness (coming from a Dr with a peripheral neuropathy from b11 deficiency

Poopants1000 · 23/09/2024 16:37

Hi, if you have a look at the b12 society there is a great amount of advice, they have a support group linked via the website.
For b12 they test b12 serum, folate
MMA
Homocysteine
Holo TC active b12
Intrinsic factor is 40-60% reliable.

LBFseBrom · 23/09/2024 15:47

I am glad your friend has recovered, op, I thought she would.

IOSTT · 23/09/2024 15:12

Poopants1000 · 21/09/2024 08:36

I totally agree, FND is a blanket term but they fail to test all possibilities, functional b12 deficiency is a huge misdiagnosis point for MS and FND, both create white lesions on the brain. B12 society charity are amazing fighting for change and have had a hand in recent NICE guidelines updates in this area, we are still a couple of decades away from change as there is so much misinformation. At the moment they test b12, it comes back in range and they disregard. It's amazing they are unaware of the functional part?!?

Can I ask what test(s) are needed re functional b12? Thanks

MO308002 · 22/09/2024 06:11

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 21/09/2024 22:45

Actually, the NHS isn't "unbelievably shit" as you so kindly put it

My youngest DD had a broken arm anf surgery over the past couple of days, and her care was the absolute best. Kind, sympathetic , and very good in an acute emergency setting. A consultant met her literally at the door on the emergency department desk, briefly examined her, and expertly / accurately said she needed an x-ray and pain relief.

Yes, the NHS is understaffed and underfunded, but not once did I see any evidence of that whatsoever at the very modern, state of the art teaching hospital in Norwich. It couldn't have been better care.

I'm happy that your daughter received a good level of care, but you should be able to expect that.

The NHS is, I'm afraid, absolutely terrible. The UK have done a fantastic job of gaslighting the British public into believing they should be grateful for it, despite the extraordinarily poor level of care that is given

I have rheumatoid arthritis. On many many occasions throughout my teen years I had classic symptoms including excruciating pain and loss of mobility. I was never given so much as a blood test, I was accused of lying to cover up for "not having revised for my Alevels", I was told that I was to "stop wasting appointments that people who are actually ill need" when I cam back in my early 20s as a single mother and was told I was "just tired" it was incredible, and it wasn't just one doctor, it was multiple places in Manchester. Birmingham and Cambridge (born in one, studied in the other 2).

In Spain, I had one bad flare, went to the GP, blood test the next day, specialist rheumatology appointment within a week, within a month I was prescribed a biologic that changed my life. If I still lived in the UK, and the treatment had continued as is was (and I see no reason why it wouldn't have) I would have permanent damage and probably be in a wheelchair by 50.

My story is not unique. The maternity care in the UK is dangerously poor, the fact that people can barely get a GP appointment is absurd (here I live in a working class area of a major Spanish city and if a child has a fever and you call the GP at any time between 0800-2000 Monday to Friday you will be given an appointment with your paediatrician the same day and usually within an hour or so. If outside those hours then there are out of hours services. Same for an adult

I could go on and on and I'm sure there are good doctors and nurses in the NHS but as an organisation is is dangerous underfunded and routinely fails to pick up on complex illnesses because of the dismissive attitude that is often given towards patients and I suspect this is partly due to lack of funding, burnout etc but also due to a culture where noone dares criticise -you only need to look through Mumsnet for a day to see multiple posts of women who are clearly unwell wringing their hand about whether they "really need" medical attention, because there is this culture of "you need to be half dead to take up one of our valuable appointments " it's extremely sad.

So, I'm sorry your daughter broke her arm, the poor thing must have been in a lot of pain and I'm glad she was seen quickly. But this is not an illness requiring a diagnosis, it's a fairly simple and clear injury that was fixed. As it bloody well should be! A child with a broken arm should always be seen quickly and taken care of - that's basic.

But the NHS, is still, unbelievably shit.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 21/09/2024 22:45

MO308002 · 20/09/2024 23:00

Jesus Christ.

The NHS is even more unbelievably shit than I thought if this is true.

Your friend would not leave a Spanish hospital in that state, and they would definitely give an MRI.

And she would have a follow up out patient appointment.

And the people here claiming it's "anxiety" ......I don't know what to say.

Actually, the NHS isn't "unbelievably shit" as you so kindly put it

My youngest DD had a broken arm anf surgery over the past couple of days, and her care was the absolute best. Kind, sympathetic , and very good in an acute emergency setting. A consultant met her literally at the door on the emergency department desk, briefly examined her, and expertly / accurately said she needed an x-ray and pain relief.

Yes, the NHS is understaffed and underfunded, but not once did I see any evidence of that whatsoever at the very modern, state of the art teaching hospital in Norwich. It couldn't have been better care.

Nantescalling · 21/09/2024 19:39

Whitfloor · 18/09/2024 19:11

The procedure was ear related.

Her bloods are fine.

I'm worried it's an autoimmune reaction that will cause her brain to swell and they're not going to be on it in time to give her steroids. Just because I have lost a family member that way, not for any more rational reason.

If you aren't family, I don't suppose the doctors can talk to you about her conditon. Yhe nurses might be more helpful.

Poopants1000 · 21/09/2024 15:44

Faldodiddledee · 21/09/2024 13:47

@Poopants1000 that is quite amazing and worrying all at the same time. So glad you kept going and investigating this. I might take a look at the B12 website, not for me, but for someone else.

Isnt it just! It's more so the fact that even specialists seem to ignore this dangerous condition with a simple treatment!
My deficiency was functional so all basic blood tests came back fine. You really need to find someone aware which I now know (to my horror) is a needle in a haystack x

Faldodiddledee · 21/09/2024 13:47

@Poopants1000 that is quite amazing and worrying all at the same time. So glad you kept going and investigating this. I might take a look at the B12 website, not for me, but for someone else.

Snippit · 21/09/2024 12:32

Poopants1000 · 21/09/2024 07:46

I had an FND diagnosis by a top London neurologist, I saw a private endocrinologist to see if it could potentially be a thyroid issue also. He was amazing, said my FND was most likely a functional b12 deficiency and after a few months on persistent b12 injections it absolutely was! I got my life back. They never test b12 and seem completely unaware of a functional deficiency where your bloods show as normal. I went back to the original neurologist and he said "oh yes, that's great you are better"....had I of accepted his complete negligence I'd of been in a wheelchair by now"
The b12 society website is full of help and amazing medical based evidence to support the misdiagnosis and even the NICE guidelines highlight the lack of accurate testing..have a really good read up x

Thank you so very much for that information, it’s very interesting 🤗

Cel119 · 21/09/2024 12:15

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naw131 · 21/09/2024 11:20

that's interesting, i can't have adrenaline anaesthetic as i start to pass out and will shake so much it looks like a seizure.......i have cataplexy so if i'm under stress i literally shut down......if i laugh too much my legs lose their tone and i fall in laughing heap.....lol.......so i make sure i'm either seated or i have someone to grab......it's just a quirk of mine......it's not dangerous and my MS is under control for now.......but i do have NO ADRENALINE ANAESTHETIC on my medical and dental notes....... :o)

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