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FiveHundredDucksWentOutOneDay · 18/09/2024 10:48

The major kitchen company involved have asked me, and there's a big difference between what me and DH think.

In short...

We planned the kitchen in January in-store, which was a great process.

Payment was awful. They insist on online payment and sent us links, which we paid, but then deluged us in 18 more links. We talked to them and they said it was an error - but then as the 18 extras were not paid, the order was cancelled. It took 2 days to sort out again.

Two weeks before fitting was due to begin, we were told the gas work that was supposed to be covered could no longer be done, and we'd need to find our own engineer at our own cost before fitting could begin. We did, and the engineer discovered the placement of the boiler, sink and hob were non-compliant. We had to drive 90 minutes to a different store for an urgent re-design, which meant the hob we'd bought privately didn't fit, and we lost two cupboards worth of space.

The dishwasher they sold us was out-of-stock, constantly. Eventually a member of staff told us it would not be available and the only one they had in a similar size was a lot less efficient. Swapping out the dishwasher removed our "4 for 3" appliance offer, which has still not been fixed.

Five days before installation, we were asked to send photos to confirm our old kitchen had been fully removed in order for installation to go ahead, which is not fun with a toddler!

Three days before installation, most of the kitchen arrived, but the dishwasher and worktops did not. Customer Services then told us that none of the worktops or island had ever been ordered, despite us paying them. We lost DAYS to calling them to try and sort this out.

The fitters found several items missing, including whole drawers, hinges and doors. Temporary worktops were sourced, but we were not sent enough for the island to be constructed fully, and the fitters were not sure it was safe without worktops, so we were left with an unusable kitchen (which is open-plan in our downstairs, and again really difficult with a toddler!). Then then sent us 30 random kitchen items, none of them the missing ones, which we've had to store since May, which has basically filled the basement.

On the last day of fitting, the new worktops were due, and didn't arrive. The fitters left as they had nothing else to do, but had forgotten to secure the oven into the casing, which fell and hit my foot. I was not seriously injured, but amidst all the stress from the fitting, I had a miscarriage. I can't prove this was because of the kitchen, but I do have a note from EPU with it as the 'suspected cause', due to stress. I'm heartbroken about it regardless.

We've since had three sets of new worktops delivered, all of which have taken at least a month to arrive, and none of which are right. We've finally had the correct colour arrive, but it's not double-sided, so it'll look rubbish on the overhanging part of the island. They've also not sent new worktops for the side, which the fitter expected, so he hasn't fitted the existing ones well - but it is passable.

The final bit should be fitted next week, which will then hopefully finish the kitchen. It should have been completed in the first week of May.

I'm self-employed and lost 8 days of work to trying to sort out all the errors. It's been really stressful, and required constant phone calls and chasing. Promised manager call-backs never come, and nobody seems to read the same notes.

The customer services manager has promised that they'll review the complaint once the kitchen is finalised. I don't hold out much hope - she keeps referring to my miscarriage with smiley face emojis in the same sentence - but what would you be looking for?

I'd quite like them to take it all out, to be honest, but I appreciate that's an emotional response and not a logical one.

OP posts:
poetryandwine · 19/09/2024 14:47

You probably won’t get all of what I suggested but it is a good starting point.

poetryandwine · 19/09/2024 14:46

PS I forgot to say that of course you are owed a full refund!!

friendlycat · 19/09/2024 14:46

That really is spectacularly awful. I can see why you would want a full refund but don't think that will happen as you still have their kitchen.

Yes you need to fully itemise every single element that occurred and the timescales accurately.

What realistically do you want to achieve? Is is 50% reduction / 70% reduction etc? I think you need this base point to then work towards it rather than let's see what we can get.

poetryandwine · 19/09/2024 14:45

I am so sorry for what you have been through, OP. Frequently threads with similar titles to yours seem to be making mountains out of molehills, but if anything you aren’t proposing to go far enough.

How could you enjoy the kitchen after your miscarriage? (BTW the note from the EPU is extremely useful here). I think you are owed quite a lot, so much that you should work with a solicitor or one of the national newspapers’ consumer advocates.

The firm should take out the new kitchen and put in a skeleton of a working kitchen at no charge to you. I think you need a small fridge with a freezer drawer, a microwave, a decent sink and water supply and two working burners, minimum. Also a toaster oven and some laminate worktops of acceptable quality.

You need full compensation for your time off work.

You are well within your rights to seek damages for the lost pregnancy. However this could get intrusive and painful. I would not offer an opinion whether you would wish to do that.

If the solicitor or advocate doesn’t get anywhere I would start tweeting the CEO and otherwise publicise the situation as loudly as possible

Very best wishes

MimiSunshine · 19/09/2024 14:31

neilyoungismyhero · 19/09/2024 14:26

Was this Wren?

I was thinking the same. A friend has a similar issue with them. Same great initial service but then a total shit show afterwards.
minus the injury and miscarriage, my deepest sympathy OP.

but as others have said, go for full refund plus financial losses. They can try to negotiate you down if they so wish.
you don’t start in a position of negotiating up.

neilyoungismyhero · 19/09/2024 14:26

Was this Wren?

RoseHarper · 19/09/2024 14:23

As suggested above I would detail all the financial costs you can quantify, loss of earnings, loss off offer deals etc, then detail the stress and inconvenience aspects. I would not wait for them to offer. Make a judgement on what you think is reasonable based on the above, claim more, this let's them know what your expectation is. If they offer a very low amount it is harder to increase from that. A full refund doesn't sound unreasonable, and they can remove the kitchen at their own cost, likely they won't.

Evaka · 19/09/2024 14:11

Refund in full full full. My heart is pounding just reading this.

FiveHundredDucksWentOutOneDay · 19/09/2024 14:07

DH wants me to email and say that we want a complete refund, and compensation for the missed work days. He is not bothered by their attempts to fix it, and he is unfussed if they want to come and strip the kitchen out as a result, although he says they'd need to fully pay for it.

I don't think the customer services manager is going to offer much at all, and I'm not sure whether to wait for her to offer something and then try and negotiate from there, or to email and re-state our position on everything that has happened, and ask for a fair figure.

Thanks for all the thoughts! It's been difficult to see what is reasonable while in the thick of it all. I can't believe it's turned into such a nightmare. We planned it so carefully, as our kitchen takes up 70% of our downstairs... I avoid it as much as I can now. It brings no joy at all.

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Snugglemonkey · 18/09/2024 15:14

I would hate that kitchen. So I would want them to come and take it back, to compensate me and refund the kitchen so I could get another.

Citrusandginger · 18/09/2024 14:32

I'd want a full refund.

I would accept a refund on the appliances, plus the cost of any missing items that will need to be sourced from elsewhere.

FranceIsWhereItsAt · 18/09/2024 14:27

Personally, I wouldn't have put up with this amount of shit in the first place, but that's just me. However, in your shoes, I too, would be wanting a full refund and for them to remove and take everything away. I would also be seeking redress for all of the upset, which is highly likely to have been the root cause of your miscarriage, payment for 8 days lost work, and any other costs you incurred throughout the whole fiasco.

However, to be on the safe side, I would highly recommend seeking legal advice from Citizens Advice or your own solicitor if you can afford one. Then if the kitchen company fail to co-operate, I'd contact 'Rip Off Britain', and see what, if anything, they can do for you.

I am SO sorry for everything you've been through OP, and am actually dreading ordering a new kitchen for my own home, (which is imminent), as you hear so many of these stories, and the last one I had through Wickes, ended up with two brand new kitchens being delivered, before we had enough parts to make one decent one out of the parts. We too ended up storing boxes and boxes of bits for months on end, but did, in the end, get a decent refund, and were allowed to keep all of the faulty parts which made for very useful storage in my garage. The whole thing was massively stressful throughout, but even so, sounds like it wasn't nearly as bad as what you've been through. Please confirm for us which company this is, so that I too don't make the mistake of using them. I hope you get a satisfactory response, and it's all sorted out as quickly as possible.

Moveoverdarlin · 18/09/2024 14:10

I’ve just had a new kitchen with Magnet and the whole experience was pretty shit too. Wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole.

Heronwatcher · 18/09/2024 14:08

What would you like and what would your husband like?

If you are genuinely going to replace the whole thing, then yes taking it all away and full refund is appropriate.

If you’re planning to tweak it but are broadly happy with what you’ve got, then I think around 50% is probably fair.

Incidentally have you thought of replacing the kitchen island with wood or a different coloured double sided worktop?

PetulantPenguin · 18/09/2024 14:07

I would want a full refund. This is awful, I'm so sorry for your loss too. Im not sure anything can compensate you.

JustFrustrated · 18/09/2024 14:03

mortygage · 18/09/2024 13:26

Im on the hunt for a new kitchen. Please name them OP so i can give them a wide berth.

Avoid

Wren

Ikea isn't apparently very good either.

My mate who runs a kitchen fitting company massively recommends DIY kitchens : they come as built units and are made in the UK.

Rocksaltrita · 18/09/2024 14:02

Just name and shame.

AhwanaFooqya · 18/09/2024 13:54

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Whatevershallidowithmylife · 18/09/2024 13:54

Yeah, small bird, big green one- seems about standard for them’

Starlight1979 · 18/09/2024 13:51

Ablondiebutagoody · 18/09/2024 13:12

Who are they?!

I'm going to go with the little bird that rhymes with Ben. My best mate had the exact same issues.

JustFrustrated · 18/09/2024 13:37

This has to be the big green one?

You need to catalogue every penny you're asking for

So

Your day rate x 8 days & explain why
The obvious missed discounts (the 3 for 4)
The hob

Etc etc

Compiled as an invoice.

DO NOT SIGN THE WORK COMPLETE FORM.
Is this on finance via them or privately funded? This makes a MASSIVE difference.

YellowAsteroid · 18/09/2024 13:34

Catza · 18/09/2024 11:29

My first emotional response is for them to refund in full... I appreciate it is wild and highly unlikely off the bat. But I wouldn't back down on 50%. Place high emphasis on accident (which their insurance should cover) and miscarriage and I would check with a solicitor where you are standing if you were to take them to court. Then, armed with this info, go at them with full force. I imagine a clever letter drafter by a solicitor may well spur them to write off the whole set up which, won't make up for your loss but at least give you some comfort.

This. Full refund. It is not the kitchen you planned, through no fault or omission or lack of information on your part.

And name them on any & every review site, including MN!

Makes me realise how lucky I was with my builder & a Howdens kitchen. Done in two days.

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mortygage · 18/09/2024 13:26

Im on the hunt for a new kitchen. Please name them OP so i can give them a wide berth.

poppyzbrite4 · 18/09/2024 13:17

Contact Citizen's Advice Consumer rights helpline.

I would want my money back in full.

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