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Will another baby ruin our life?

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Goeasyonm · 17/09/2024 22:38

Please help me decide whether to have another baby or not. DH is not helpful because he insists it’s ultimately my choice and he will go with what I want, but I know he would be happy if we stopped at DD6, who is our only child.

DD6 has a physical disability because she inherited a gene that either DH or I have (we don’t know which of us has the gene). The disability ranges in severity but hers is at the mid point of the spectrum. I would love her to have a sibling but I know that there’s a) a 50% chance of a baby having the same disability (potentially more severe as well) and b) a higher chance of a baby having some other type of disability or a complicated pregnancy due to my age (I’m 39).

Reasons why I am worried about another child:

  1. I know that the life we have with DD has been hard won. We fought so hard for DD to have as normal a life as possible and have made a lot of sacrifices to make that happen. But it was all done for her whereas I feel that if we had another disabled child the same sacrifices would be done to her. It would affect her quality of life and I just know in my heart I would probably regret negatively affecting her in that way.
  2. If we had another disabled child DD might end up being their carer when we’re gone and I don’t want that for her.
  3. I had 3 miscarriages before DD, a difficult pregnancy and a horrible birth. Since DD was born I’ve had 3 corrective surgeries as a result of a traumatic birth. The last surgery was a few weeks ago and we’ve only just been given the all clear to try and conceive. Another baby could be a similar experience.

Reasons for having another child:

  1. The child might not have a disability - there’s a 50% chance they won’t have DD’s disability and, even if they did, it might not be at the severe end of the spectrum.
  2. DD would be an amazing older sister.
  3. DD would have other family left when DH and I die. I don’t want her to be left alone in the world or to end up being responsible for us when we’re elderly.

Pregnancy screening isn’t an option for us because we would never terminate due to a disability. It scares me that if we had been able to screen for this disability while I was pregnant with DD we might have chosen to terminate and the love of my life would never have been born.

You are being unreasonable - have another child
You are not being unreasonable - don’t have another child

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Newsenmum · 18/09/2024 13:25

Goeasyonm · 18/09/2024 09:30

I’m so sorry, you’ve been through a lot. It must have been a relief (if that is even the word) to go on to have dc without the same condition.

1 in 4 is much better than 1 in 2. I understand the reasons for genetic testing, embryo selection or terminating due to a disability but I don’t think I could do that for a disability that is not life threatening and is life limiting.

What’s your concern with generic testing?

Toomanyemails · 18/09/2024 13:22

About DD being a big sister and having family when you're gone, could you do something to nurture sibling-like relationships for her? If she has cousins, make an effort to help them spend time together, or do the same with your friends' DC or other only child families you're close to.

I don't think you should feel guilty about your DD being lonely/lacking family as an only child, but it's a good reason to put extra effort into ensuring she has more potential lifelong ties as an alternative to siblings. My parents were very introverted and I feel I missed out in a way as we didn't spend much time at all with my cousins or other families, and they didn't socialise much so I didn't grow up alongside family friends.

SBMama · 18/09/2024 12:56

I've name changed for this just in case.

My almost 3 year old daughter has a physical disability (spina bifida). She was also an IVF baby born after multiple attempts, 3 miscarriages (one in the second trimester due to an infection). In our case the disability doesn't seem to be genetic - amniocentesis revealed nothing - and they have no idea why she was affected. I do have a higher risk of having a second child with a disability but nobody really knows how much higher since they don't actually know what happened the first time round.
We're about to start trying for number 2 using the embryos we still have frozen.and we've actually decided against genetic testing of the existing embryos because the risk of a perfectly good embryo being damaged during defrosting, testing or refreezing. Since our daughter's disability isn't genetic the chances of them finding something are no higher than for anyone else with our background (age, etc.). The cause of my infertility was eventually determined to be adenomyosis so our daughter's disability isn't related to that either.

The reason we've decided to go for a second child because we both really want one. Even before our daughter was actually born we started talking about the possibility of having a sibling for her one day, under which circumstances we would decide against it, etc. I do think our daughter would be an amazing big sister but as an oldest child with a younger sister who doesn't really bother with me that would never be a reason to have a second child (although I do hope my children will end up closer than my siblings and I).
While my daughter does require more work than a child without a disability it's (currently) manageable and I'm not really worried about a second child fitting in around her appointments. At first the baby can just come along and by the time they're a toddler they'll either be in nursery or my daughter will be old enough to just be dropped off for her appointment while sibling and I wait outside. I'm more worried about how things will work during pregnancy since my daughter (currently) can't walk and I have to lift and carry her a lot. She's due to get a wheelchair soon though - actually it was supposed to already be here - and by the time we can actually start the IVF process she should be able to use it independently so that would definitely make things easier.
Cognitively our daughter is absolutely fine. She's actually ahead of her age for speech/language! Fine motor skills are where they should be. Right now her only issues are 1) she can't walk - but can crawl and get around independently in other ways, and is working hard on standing. Her doctors and physiotherapist are relatively certain that walking will happen for her one day - and 2) she's still in nappies and may not ever be "toilet trained" in the traditional sense since we're currently unsure whether she can even control her bowels. I don't think either of those things would be detrimental to a sibling. However, all of this is assuming we end up with a healthy second child. Honestly, if I was told the chances of having a (potentially even more significantly) disabled child next time round were as high as 50 percent my decision would probably have been different. At the very least we would definitely be genetically testing the embryos despite the risks!

FrostFlowers2025 · 18/09/2024 11:49

Goeasyonm · 17/09/2024 23:06

I agree with what everyone is saying but I think I struggle to accept it because it feels like I would be making this decision out of fear of the worst outcome happening, rather than for a positive reason such as our family feels complete. But perhaps the fear is entirely justified here.

It doesn't sounds like you're making the decision out of fear. From your post I get the impression you're not having another child out of mature considerations for the negative impact it could have on your family in it's current configuration.

Alondra · 18/09/2024 11:34

Goeasyonm · 18/09/2024 09:47

I’m actually not sure why DH doesn’t want to find out but I don’t want to find out because while we’re not showing any symptoms now we will likely have some symptoms at some point. If I knew it was me I think I would find it hard to have this hanging over me now.

I don't know what's the genetic condition affecting your DD, but often parents carrying a recessive/mutating gene, means nothing to their health. They'll have normal lives without being affected at all.

Often, the problem arises when 2 parents carry the same recessive gene have 50% chance of that gene being dominant in their child. I'm surprised that if your DD has a genetic condition, the NHS did not refer you to a children's genetic clinic so as parents, you understood the gene and everything that's known about it.

Life is not fair, OP. You have a wonderful daughter that one day will be able to live an independent life. She may need a kidney, this is why kidney transplants waiting lists are for, even both you are not compatible. To put your mind at ease a bit more on this issue, it's extremely unlikely that your DH or you (as her parents), won't be compatible to give her a live transplant when she needs it.

Goeasyonm · 18/09/2024 10:40

Skyrainlight · 18/09/2024 10:23

Why would you have another child when there is a strong possibility you will again be passing on a disability. That would be incredibly selfish.

I don’t think it would be selfish of DD or anyone else who has a disability to have a child even if there is a strong possibility they will be passing it on. Saying I shouldn’t have a child in case I pass on the disability is very different to saying that I shouldn’t have another child in case they have a disability that affects my existing child. I’m not sure I’ve articulated myself well there but hopefully you understand what I am trying to say.

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Eejitmum101 · 18/09/2024 10:38

@GingerPirate sound advice, exactly what she needs

SanMarzano · 18/09/2024 10:24

Goeasyonm · 18/09/2024 09:47

I’m actually not sure why DH doesn’t want to find out but I don’t want to find out because while we’re not showing any symptoms now we will likely have some symptoms at some point. If I knew it was me I think I would find it hard to have this hanging over me now.

Until you know it’s not you isn’t it hanging over you anyway? If it is you it might be good to have time to make peace with it.

If you could get comfortable with it I think embryo screening as suggested by PPs would be my first choice in your position.

Skyrainlight · 18/09/2024 10:23

Why would you have another child when there is a strong possibility you will again be passing on a disability. That would be incredibly selfish.

Growsomeballswoman · 18/09/2024 10:21

What if you ended up with twins?

Sarah2891 · 18/09/2024 10:19

I don't think you'd be giving into fear if you chose to not have another. I think you'd be making a very wise choice and one that would probably be best for your daughter, you and your husband.

Knickerknack · 18/09/2024 10:07

Is your daughter happy, loved? If that's your measure of a perfect family then go for it - disability is not the be all and end all.

Mrsttcno1 · 18/09/2024 10:07

In your situation OP I wouldn’t, for all the reasons others have said plus the fact you’ve now said whoever has this gene will have symptoms “at some point”. That could be anytime I presume, so what if you had another child who had more severe disabilities and then either you/your partner begins to decline?

Peterpandabell · 18/09/2024 10:06

It is really tough. I was in a similarish situation to you after having our first DC. I couldn't have gone through with a termination for the condition in question, but I felt just about ok with screening via IVF. In the end we had a second DC via egg donor - I always knew it was me who carried the gene mutation. We are thrilled with our second child and are so glad we've had them. The main downside for us was that going via the IVF route took a long time. For me, it's been important to take ownership of my / our choices, and I'd encourage you to do the same, hard as it is.

Additionally, is there certainty that the mutation comes from you or DH, or could it be de novo in your DC? I don't know how it's possible to know the answer to this without you and your DH both being tested for the mutation, but I'm not an expert.

GingerPirate · 18/09/2024 09:59

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Diecast · 18/09/2024 09:53

Newsenmum · 18/09/2024 09:28

I was always told to expect a second child to be the opposite of the first. It’s true!

WTF???

Goeasyonm · 18/09/2024 09:47

PomPomtheGreat · 18/09/2024 09:32

Is there a reason why you haven't found out which of you is carrying the gene? In your case, I would be inclined to find that out and then if I wanted another child go ahead with either a sperm or an egg donor.

I’m actually not sure why DH doesn’t want to find out but I don’t want to find out because while we’re not showing any symptoms now we will likely have some symptoms at some point. If I knew it was me I think I would find it hard to have this hanging over me now.

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FeedingThem · 18/09/2024 09:46

Honestly,, no.

It took us a while after DSs traumatic birth to try again and that was without any other issues with the delivery, pregnancy etc. Thankfully his condition is a random genetic mutation so there was no risk in future pregnancies.

If there had been a 50% chance of it happening again and a 33% chance of it being worse (thinking if she's mid range then one third around her level of severity, one third above etc). AND knowing that we couldn't have done all we did for a future baby as we had for our eldest, I couldn't do it.

You can't rationalize intentionally giving one child a better chance of dealing with their disability than the other imo.

Enjoy your gorgeous girl and throw everything into her. Build up networks and an pseudo family around her.

Laiste · 18/09/2024 09:42

When you are really struggling to make a decision, make it based on the assumption that the worst case scenario WILL happen.

In your case you have a pretty high chance of a not so rosy outcome.

Picture the worst case scenario OP. If it makes you feel real dread don't risk it.

Goeasyonm · 18/09/2024 09:41

Lincoln24 · 18/09/2024 09:15

You've asked on Mumsnet, where disabled people are generally terrible burdens whose lives are not worth living.

The only question is whether YOU want another child. Is that what you want? It's not actually clear in your post.

Lots of disabled children have siblings and, as with all sibling relationships, they gain some things and lose some things through having another child in the house. So don't base your decision on whether you're doing her a favour or not.

You managed your daughter's disability, so if you had another disabled child, you could cope.

Have you considered embryo screening, would you feel comfortable with that? You could be entitled on the NHS.

I don’t think disabled people are terrible burdens whose lives are not worth living and that’s the exact reason I wouldn’t consider embryo screening.

I would absolutely cope with another disabled child because I would have no choice but to cope, but life would be so much harder for all of us that I think I would probably regret it.

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soberholic · 18/09/2024 09:34

Rainyday4321 · 17/09/2024 22:57

In your particular situation - I wouldn’t. The likelihood of another pregnancy / baby/ child tipping your life from challenging but manageable to unmanageable seems too high. Wishing you all the best

I agree with this. If your second child has a severe disability then you're in for a seriously hard ride, being the parent of 2 children with disabilities, and possibly one being severe, can destroy lives.

Also, siblings often don't get on. If you have a second child, have it because you enjoy it and are looking forward to playing with a second baby / child all over again.

Beth216 · 18/09/2024 09:33

I wish i was an only! desperately wanted a sibling as a kid, unfortunately they were a HUGE disappointment, we fought all the time and as adults we barely speak. Dreading having to sort out my parents estate when the time comes.

Enjoy the dd you have, as an only she gets all your time and attention and IMO that is priceless! Much better than a crappy sibling.

PomPomtheGreat · 18/09/2024 09:32

Is there a reason why you haven't found out which of you is carrying the gene? In your case, I would be inclined to find that out and then if I wanted another child go ahead with either a sperm or an egg donor.

GreenFrog33 · 18/09/2024 09:31

I’ve been through a very similar and painful decision process. DS is disabled, his older brother was still born after early rupture of membranes, they were both conceived through IVF.
I had preeclampsia in the late stages of pregnancy and was close to having a stroke, DS was delivered vaginally but with forceps which caused major internal trauma and meant a long recovery.
Despite ALL of this and all of the risks I still wanted another child, DH just couldn’t understand and in the end made an emotional plea that he just couldn’t do it - he couldn’t watch another child die or potentially watch me die. That was what I needed to hear to be able to agree with him. He had a vasectomy last week.
I think I’ve made my peace with it now and DS is a joy, and hard work!
I think your DH needs to contribute to this decision, it seems unfair of him to leave it to you, he must have fears or concerns of his own?

Goeasyonm · 18/09/2024 09:30

anicecuppateaa · 18/09/2024 07:16

I can answer this having been in exactly the same position.

I was desperate for dd to have a sibling and to have a family unit. I felt the need for her to have someone other than her parents to love and accept her for who she was. I was also desperate to go through a ‘normal’ time as a parent.

We had genetic counselling and were told the risk was 1 in 4. Dd’s condition was undiagnosed so we couldn’t have pgp (would you consider this- embryos are tested pre implantation so not the same as termination).

In the end, our circumstances changed as dd died (unexpectedly) but we did go on to have more healthy dc without the same condition. I understand the emotional pull for you to do this, and its not as clear cut as some posters are making out.

I’m so sorry, you’ve been through a lot. It must have been a relief (if that is even the word) to go on to have dc without the same condition.

1 in 4 is much better than 1 in 2. I understand the reasons for genetic testing, embryo selection or terminating due to a disability but I don’t think I could do that for a disability that is not life threatening and is life limiting.

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