To be annoyed by this?

You are entitled to believe that but it won't change your colleagues. Time blindness, chronic lateness, and time optimism are well known symptoms of various things and traits. ADHD is difficult to diagnose in many just through observation and it doesn't have to be disclosed to colleagues or management if the employee doesnt want to.

If the management are concerned they will deal with it, they may be aware of something you aren't. You are entitled to make a complaint but it is unlikely to change anything, management/HR are probably already fully aware of the situation.

i used to experience a lot of this in a company i worked for.

when i started holding meetings i made it clear they would start ON THE DOT. and that nobody would be allowed in after that time. First meeting me and one other. 2nd meeting me and all except the 3 persistent latecomers. 3rd meeting same.

one of the 3 complained to the MD that they couldn't keep up by just reading the minutes. He started to read me the riot act until i pointed out the inefficiencies of 7 of us waiting for 3 more. With actual numbers of how much 5 minutes of everybody's time cost etc. And ever after? nearly no latecomers.

I have ADHD and that's not an excuse, I'm actually very punctual but there are lots of digital aids to help be on time, setting timers on phones for example.

We've got a couple of people like that at my work, OP. They arrive midway through meetings with a 'Tada!!!! I'm here!!!!' attitude and then the managers spend time going back over the things we've already discussed. Very annoying.

WTF? if you are contracted to start at 8, and/or you are required to be at a meeting at 8, then get the earlier train.

My colleagues don’t know I have ADHD.

It’s not good that they’re not at the meetings on time but can the meeting not be pushed back by half an hour to e.g. 9.30? Yes, it shouldn’t have to change but a meeting first thing isn’t always in everyone’s best interests.

We don’t have a 9-5 culture in our office, people turn up any time between 8-11am. It would not register if anyone was ‘late’ except if they were late to a meeting. But most people avoid putting meetings in at 9am.

Are they doing school drop off? A few members of my team do this, and there is only a 5 min drop-off window, so it is a rush to get to work for 9 on the dot. We have a workplace policy that we don't start any meetings til 9.15, as a result.

Time optimism is a great way of wording this. Underestimating and not considering what May go wrong. I guess this also means if something does delay them, even regularly, it's deemed out of their hands and not something they could predict.

Carl Jung identified chronic lateness as part of his work on personalities as struggling to effectively judge time.

Chronically late people tend to be time optimists and often work well underpressure than more time organised colleagues.

They could have ADHD where time blindness is a symptom in some people so they often run late, they can't help that, it's just something they have to live with.

There really isn't a lot chronically late people can do about it, and yes they are probably fully aware that they are annoying you and others. It just makes the situation worse for them but it won't change anything it's not something they can help.

Sorry it's not what you want to hear and you may not want to understand there are reasons why some people are chronically late. It's not an effort to upset you or anyone else who is more time organised, it's just part of their personality.

Why should the time of the meeting have to change because people can't be bothered to get there on time? Suspect if the meeting was 5 minutes later they would still be late!

To call their bluff. If they are still late, even when the time of the meeting is changed, everyone will know they're talking the piss.
And by making the suggestion in front of everyone during the meeting, it might embarrass them into being on time.

It also means they miss important announcements.

So the meeting starts without them? So it doesn't really waste your time?

If it's been brought up, I assume their manager is aware? It won't reflect well on them. But unless it's affecting you directly, I'd just try to ignore anyone else's performance issues. You can't fix it, it's on the manager. There's no point being annoyed, even though you're right that they should be on time.

Is the am meeting a team handover so essential info needed on a day to day basis re life and limb, or is it performative time wasting?

Yes, that would make you look professional and mature 😉

for all you know they have spoken to their boss about this explaining they will be late and why. I certainly wouldn't be disclosing my reasons to anyone but my boss

I'd start every meeting by announcing their tardiness-

'Theo and Susannah don't usually arrive for another ten minutes , so I'm just going to get a coffee/check my emails/chat about where we should have our Christmas meal!'

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I work In a supermarket, I changed my hours when I came back from maternity leave a year ago and to begin with it was fine, then when he got given the new site I tried to be on time and after the 3rd week of being late I went and spoke to my manager (hoping he'd say start at 6 instead) and I explained the issue and he was like oh that's fine, I'll let the others know you'll be a bit late. But I still feel like everyone's judging me when I walk onto the floor, and like my direct colleagues are pissed off, but I'm a people pleaser so the slightest feeling of annoying people cringes my soul

@Fedup369 what work do you do? Can you not negotiate slightly later hours?

I start later than most other staff where I work but I work later. I know it depends on the type of job which is why I ask but I would feel so stressed that day - awful.

And it's a massive arguement starter, when he gets home at 4:58pm and my work is a 10 minute drive away, the frustration makes me cry and then I snap at him. It's just a crap situation but unless I want to pay through the nose for child care I need to keep this job

I'm 5-10 minutes late for work every Wednesday evening without fail and it's so frustrating to ME! I hate it, but it can't actually be helped and I've spoken to my manager about it, but he's never around anymore and I feel like the section leaders get pissy with me and it's awful, my partner is a tradesman and was working on a building site in our town for a few years, when that ended his next job site is 20-30 minutes drive depending on traffic, he can't leave site till 4:30 and I start at 5. When he worked in our town it was easy, I was actually always early, now it's almost impossible to be on time. I can't drive so I'm sat in the car with the 3 kids ready to go, he pulls up in his van. Gets into the car and we go and I'm still late. I've cried on the journey many times, it's embarrassing,

Ok. So your issue is with 2 specific people?

If you’re not their manager it’s not your business to police. You can raise it with your manager if you want to but if I were your manager I’d tell you to mind your own business.

Are you their manager and aware of accommodations made to them? If not, then it's frustrating but fuck all you can do about it.

IF you're their manager and it's not agreed late starts then bring it up as a performance / business hygiene issue.

Are you the chair of the meeting? Call them out on it and remind them of the start time and raise it with their manager.

Otherwise, not your circus and all that. Moaning on here won't stop it

Then being 5-10 minutes late regularly is unacceptable, that is more than half the meeting time and sounds like it’s intended to be a quick sync!

Is it always the same people?