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To tell my neighbour he's a fucking knobhead

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NobbyNeighbour · 17/09/2024 07:54

So we have a bungalow at the back of us, always got on with the lady who lived there. We have a thick conifer hedge between us which is about 8ft tall. It's our hedge, dh cuts the height and our side. Occasionally she would ask us to cut her side and being nice I would send dh to do it even though technically it's her responsibility.

Her adult (in his 40s) son moved in and the word is in the village he's not nice but I never had anything to do with him. Then last year he came banging on our front door ranting at dd about the hedge. Told her "tell your parents they've got till 5pm tonight to decide what they're doing, either they cut my side of the hedge this weekend or I cut it and send them the bill". Really shouty. I didn't bother going round to discuss with him as I knew neither option would be occurring. It was a foot deep in snow so hardly hedge cutting weather and I'm not paying for something that's his responsibility. He's never been back and hasn't cut the hedge.

Then yesterday evening he lights a bonfire 2ft from our hedge. It's not the first big fire he's had on the boundary but this was the worst. Right on our side of the hedge we have a garden office. The flames were at least 9ft high, I could see them over the hedge. He's a cowboy builder and often has bonfires as he burns stuff from his work. Ash was raining down all over the garden. I was scared for the hedge and garden office, I could smell petrol so think he'd put petrol on it. There were little bangs and explosions so God knows what he was burning. I started shouting at him and he was laughing and shouting "you need to cut your hedge". I lost my shit at that point and called him a fucking knobhead and dialled 999. Fire brigade put the fire out. But apparently he felt I was overreacting. Stupid idiot has actually burnt the fascia board on his own garage!

I don't even think he's doing it to try and damage the hedge, I just think he's as thick as mince and doesn't give a shit. Apparently he's always threatening people in the village. I know he was mouthing off in the shop a bit ago threatening to burn some people out if he found who had objected to his planning permission.

So while I'm still mad as hell I'm also slightly nervous! I videoed quite a bit yesterday, not sure if I contacted the council whether they'd talk to him about the bonfires but guess I can't prove he's burning non domestic stuff?

OP posts:
Poachedeggs1 · 17/09/2024 16:36

Mummyoflabradors · 17/09/2024 16:19

Why should her neighbours be responsible for a hedge she planted?
We have hedging on two sides and always maintain both sides, its common decency.

Well good for you, what a great neighbour you are. Likewise, the OP is also a good neighbour because she is maintaining her hedge and keeping it nice and tidy and is under no obligation to trim the side which is in the neighbours property. All these people who are offended because “they never asked for a hedge” is funny. I have to trim several hedges that “I didn’t ask for” because I know it is not my neighbour’s responsibility. Twice a year they get a good cut, I don’t lose sleep over it. 🤷‍♀️ Mumsnet really is full of people who are guilty of nothing, offended by everything.

Mummyoflabradors · 17/09/2024 16:25

Jammedchakra · 17/09/2024 11:57

You can shout all you like, but you're wrong.

Who’s shouting? Why should her neighbour maintain op’s hedge? She didn’t ask for it to be planted🤷‍♀️
What if the neighbours old or hates gardening, why should her garden look a mess because of someone else’s hedge?

Mummyoflabradors · 17/09/2024 16:19

Poachedeggs1 · 17/09/2024 13:11

Nonsense. She maintains the height and her side, but it’s up to the neighbours to cut their own side.

Why should her neighbours be responsible for a hedge she planted?
We have hedging on two sides and always maintain both sides, its common decency.

Poachedeggs1 · 17/09/2024 15:49

Whattodo1610 · 17/09/2024 15:15

Cut their side of a hedge they didn’t ask for nor wanted? Okay …..

😂😂 yes, why is it so difficult for people to understand? So did you specifically chose your house because of the lack of hedges? Would you never buy a house if the neighbour had a hedge? Don’t be so ridiculous.

Whattodo1610 · 17/09/2024 15:15

Poachedeggs1 · 17/09/2024 13:11

Nonsense. She maintains the height and her side, but it’s up to the neighbours to cut their own side.

Cut their side of a hedge they didn’t ask for nor wanted? Okay …..

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 17/09/2024 14:04

Even though you are not legally obliged to cut the hedge and even though he's been horrible to you, it could be worth giving the hedge a really good cut, smiling at him and promising to trim it every year in future. Disputes with neighbours are horribly stressful and even worse if bonfires are involved. But what has happened to his mother - is she OK?

Tessasanderson · 17/09/2024 13:21

Fastback · 17/09/2024 11:58

Can’t and won’t argue with stupid

Oh wait, wait wait......yes because you've had so much more practice. Kabomtish

Cupooee · 17/09/2024 13:14

Did your daughter feel he was threatening in his manner?
If so, together with his dangerous fire, i would be reporting this to the police, telling them you called the fire service.

I would show them the videos and tell him that you are nervous of him.
Create a paper trail.
Perhaps others have reported him too.

Poachedeggs1 · 17/09/2024 13:11

Mummyoflabradors · 17/09/2024 08:36

It’s not your neighbours responsibility to cut YOUR hedge, it’s YOUR responsibility.

Nonsense. She maintains the height and her side, but it’s up to the neighbours to cut their own side.

Tessasanderson · 17/09/2024 13:05

Xis · 17/09/2024 11:14

People may feel OP has a moral responsibility to maintain both sides of the hedge but she has no LEGAL responsibility to do so. As has already been posted, however, if an evergreen hedge is higher than two metres a complaint can be made to the council.

Does this not remind everyone of the "Stopping cats shitting in my garden" posts? It always descends into two groups. Those that think the owners should take some kind of responsibility and those that declare them as wild animals and tough shit (literally).

Society has lost the ability to accept that sometimes its just common courtesy to accept you are negatively effecting someone's life and a bit of effort may stop them turning into a raging lunatic who sets fire to stuff.

Personally i would hate to think that something of mine would cause that kind of situation and i would do whatever i could to solve it. Waiting for the guy to flip his lid enough to set fire to something does not sound like its an overnight situation. The previous pictures of the 'hedge' shows a rather mature set of leylandi pruned immaculately which could be a huge mess on the other side.

TorroFerney · 17/09/2024 12:47

Tessasanderson · 17/09/2024 09:35

I think i made it pretty clear in my post. Whilst the OP may not be obliged by law to look after both sides of her hedge/trees its pretty shitty to do that to a neighbour imo. That makes her as bad as the knobhead setting fire to stuff......is that ok with you?

A good neighbour considers how their own trees impact neighbours and works to look after them.

Not cutting a hedge (which she has no legal obligation to cut) is on a par with threatening to burn people and lighting a fire to intimidate neighbours? Hmm.

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 17/09/2024 12:32

itsgoingtobeabumpyride · 17/09/2024 11:36

My ndn (have good ndn one side) the one I'm referring to is not so good.
They have a massive hedge to the height of my guttering, the hedge is on their side of the 6ft fence.
It overhangs my garden, weeds and vines are intertwined in it, the vines attach themselves to my guttering and then my solar panels.
Do you have any idea how difficult & bloody irritating it is to keep on top of someone else's hedge, the expensive, the hard work, the difficulty getting rid of the rubbish?
I'm late 50's and it's finally beaten me.
It annoys me every time I look out into the garden, I keep on top of my garden, it's my sanctuary which is being ruined by inconsiderate ndn's.
I don't agree with the actions of your neighbour but why should he have to deal with your hedge, it's yours, you should maintain it both sides.

This in spades. ^ We've got this woman that lives just around the corner from us and her 200 foot long back garden has got a big, massive holly hedge across part of it (around 140 feet long.) And some of it - about half - comes across the bottom of our garden... I keep our side as neatly trimmed as best as I can, but I can't do the top very well. (And DH can't do it because of a health issue... but he did he used to do it with the chainsaw/hedge cutters.)

We've lived here for 10 years and my husband used to trim it back about 12 inches in depth, and trim the top 6 inches or so (basically however much it had grown!) And for 5 years in a row he did her side as well, because (and I quote) he 'couldn't stand the thought of a woman having to do it herself...' 🙄 Especially a woman who is older. She is just 5 years older than us! (She is divorced. And we have never seen or met her ex. She never mentions him.)

3 years ago, my husband had a bit of an accident and hurt his back, he slipped a disc, and he has sciatica, so he's now unable to do anything that involves heavy lifting or stretching. So I popped round a couple of summers ago to tell her that he won't be doing the hedges anymore, but as I said, I've been trimming our side as best I can. Even though it's her hedge.

She seemed a bit annoyed and just rolled her eyes. 'Well I don't know how I will cope with it now, it's so big - and tough to do.' I said 'I know, I am having to do our side!' We actually offered to pay half towards the whole lot being trimmed both sides, and she said 'not likely! I am not paying anyone else to do it!' She doesn't want to do it, but she doesn't want to pay anyone else to do it either. She wants someone else to do it for free. (Preferably my DH.) It's got a lot bigger since we moved in, and thicker and sturdier, and is fucking hard work...

FYI the hedge is 100% on her side. 100%. It's her hedge. It's on her land. I said to DH that I feel like getting a fucking 6 ft fence, and putting it on our side of the monster hedge, and leaving it ALL to her to trim and maintain.

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Whattodo1610 · 17/09/2024 12:31

I think you’re both being very unreasonable. It’s you’re hedge, you planted it, you should maintain it 🤷‍♀️
He sounds like a nut job.
Why can’t you liase with the lady? Have you even tried approaching him to arrange to cut the hedge?
I would report him to local council for antisocial behaviour every time he does something, I would report his fires every time he has them, I would report him for burning inappropriate materials.

DadJoke · 17/09/2024 12:29

I looked into the law on this and it's horrifyingly complicated if you can't come to an agreement. It's definitly not your legal responsibilty to trim the hedge on his side, though.

Waffle78 · 17/09/2024 12:27

Zebedee999 · 17/09/2024 11:26

The OP chose to have a hedge, did they get their neighbour to agree to it beforehand and also get them to agree to take on the three times a year cutting it back, whilst working at heights? I very much doubt it as people are inconsiderate.
My neighbour put a hedge in years ago and now I have 3 solid days work every year cutting the thing back, it's 100ft and over 8ft tall, needs ladders and all sorts, and if we don't do the top then it doesn't get done.
Don't put a hedge in unless you'll maintain ALL of it. Why impose a maintenance burden on your neighbours? It's rude and selfish imo.
Using your argument my neighbour is perfectly capable of cleaning MY car, but I don't expect them to do it, I bought it so it's my responsibility to maintain.

They don't actually say they put it there themselves. Might have been done when the houses were built.

They also said At the time we couldn't do it due to a combination of snow and piles of rubble. The piles of rubble and also excavated holes remain in his garden right up to the hedge, he's literally being excavating with a mini digger for months. It's like a building site, I'm not going in, it's not safe. You couldn't stand on a step ladder. If it's a safe environment and he talks to us rather than ranting we'll think about it.

So how are they supposed to cut it at height with the garden in that condition?

Mydietstartstomorrow · 17/09/2024 12:22

Mabs49 · 17/09/2024 09:42

This. Yes he’s a knob but they’re your trees.

I have a neighbour like you and I have to dispose of all YOUR tree cuttings that hang over my side.

Be reasonable. They’re YOUR trees. If they died, no more trouble for the neighbour.

Just do your bit.

I have two neighbours, lovely conscientious neighbours who always ask how I feel about their encroaching trees and come round and cut and take away and then the dickheads who let their laurel pretty much push the fence down with new branches and world never dream of asking to cut them and take the branches away of which there are many and require a full afternoon of my time plus another afternoon cutting up and taking up all the room in the compost local council bin THAT I PAY FOR.

There are times I’m tempted to pour litres of round up over the fence on it.

FFS, just be a good neighbour. Cut the damned trees. YOUR trees.

This. It’s your very large hedge that your neighbour had no choice about but you expect her to cut it? I don’t care what the law says have some common decency for your neighbours.

but yes, the son is an arse to act the way he has

ForKeenLimeOtter · 17/09/2024 12:17

It would be ridiculous to go round to all your neighbours and cut any plants, trees, hedges that are on the border but technically start in your land.

It is his responsibility and as you say, now he has reacted like that I definitely wouldn't be going round there to do it as a goodwill gesture.

Jammedchakra · 17/09/2024 12:15

Sartre · 17/09/2024 10:05

If it’s your hedge I’d say you’re responsible for cutting the whole thing, no? It doesn’t seem
fair to impose a huge hedge on the neighbour and expect them to cut their side. Of course the guy is a dickhead and the fire was utterly irresponsible but you should be cutting the whole hedge because it’s yours.

Our hedges were in place when both neighbours, and we, moved here. They knew what they were getting and so did we. Old beech hedges are a feature and benefit wildlife. There is no way I'd be cutting their side too, it's just how hedges work, each person cuts their side.

CecilyP · 17/09/2024 12:13

Bumcake · 17/09/2024 11:36

This thread seems to be 50% certain its OP’s responsibility and 50% certain it’s angry neighbour’s. I freely admit I don’t know for sure which is right, but in my experience people around here do whatever is in their own garden. Stuff hanging over from next door I will deal with.

It’s not really either of their responsibility! If he is happy to have it sprawling into his garden he can leave it. If he wants it trimmed, he can trim it. But it’s certainly not OP’s responsibility to go onto someone else’s property to trim their side of their hedge.

Jc2001 · 17/09/2024 12:04

ACynicalDad · 17/09/2024 08:34

I think it’s reasonable to want you to cut the hedge. He sounds like a knob. I’d agree to do it once a year, maybe every November. I’d call 999 if he has reckless bonfires.🔥

I wouldn't be agreeing to anything with that attitude. You won't get any thanks for it and it will open the floodgates for a load more unreasonable behaviour. These people see 'reasonableness' as weakness.

Jammedchakra · 17/09/2024 12:04

Fastback · 17/09/2024 12:00

The way posters speak with such authority and be so utterly wrong would be hilarious, but the same posters are all over the DV and family court threads giving dangerous information…

Same on the finance threads. Crazy

Sheepchops · 17/09/2024 12:03

How old is your DD? Is she a child? I would report a 40 year old man for shouting at and intimidating a child on her own doorstep

Fastback · 17/09/2024 12:00

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 17/09/2024 11:22

It's your hedge and you are responsible for cutting both sides.

OK you need the neighbour's permission to enter their garden to do it, but it's still your responsibility. If they refuse permission then you can leave it to them but I doubt they'd have much success in billing you if they cut it/arrange for it to be cut.

The way posters speak with such authority and be so utterly wrong would be hilarious, but the same posters are all over the DV and family court threads giving dangerous information…

marylou25 · 17/09/2024 12:00

I have a very similar leylandi hedge/trees between me and neighbour, I planted the trees around two sides of my garden one of which is on the path side. I get it trimmed every year and always send the man in next door to knock and ask permission to trim it on their side, of course they agree! While I may not technically be responsible for cutting their side it seems only fair when it's my trees/hedge. It only costs an hour or so extra work for my guy to do it compared to the hassle of ndn having to find someone to do it and take away the stuff.

Fastback · 17/09/2024 11:58

Tessasanderson · 17/09/2024 09:37

Wow thats cutting. Tell me you cant read someones post without telling me you cant read someones post. I did say regardless of the law

Can’t and won’t argue with stupid